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stranger_danger
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Rye VS. WBS *DELETED*
#14203397 - 03/29/11 12:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Post deleted by stranger_dangerReason for deletion: cuz... duh
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pandelic
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Rye till you die. This has been covered extensively
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stranger_danger
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Re: Rye VS. WBS [Re: pandelic]
#14203439 - 03/29/11 12:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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sorry.. will delete then... just bored and high and was looking at jars i have with both types of grain colonizing.... thx
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DJYoshaBYD


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Re: Rye VS. WBS [Re: pandelic]
#14203469 - 03/29/11 12:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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rye works, and so does WBS.. its all preference.. rye is harder to find where im at, and WBS is everrrryyyyywhere.. so, convenience is a main factor..
i get more inoculation points with WBS (smaller grain) for a given volume, compared to rye.. in a quart jar, i get waaaaaaaaayyyy more with WBS..
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i dont think ill ever use WBS again ... its just so unpredictable for me
your prep method is probably flawed in some way.. 
either way, use what works for you.. if you get spawn from WBS, popcorn, BRF, or rye, at least you have spawn.. lol
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hamloaf
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stranger_danger said: So i was just curious, what are yalls experiences with the diff grains? what do you prefer? in my (very short) experience, i have found rye berries to colonize alot more evenly, faster, and they seem to hold moisture better..
is this an accurate assumption?
Yes and no. Mushroom mycelium colinizes WBS faster because of the varied sources of nutrition contained in the different types of grain in the mix, as well as, rye has more nutrition in it over WBS. The more nutrition available to mushroom mycelium, the slower colonization will be.
For Cubes, I like WBS over rye. I bet if you had problems with your WBS not colonizing rapidly, it's because you didn't get your WBS's moisture content correct before you loaded your containers with it to be sterilized.
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DJYoshaBYD


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Re: Rye VS. WBS [Re: hamloaf]
#14203491 - 03/29/11 12:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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For Cubes, I like WBS over rye. I bet if you had problems with your WBS not colonizing rapidly, it's because you didn't get WBS's moisture content correct before you loaded your containers with it to be sterilized.
^^^^ exactly what I was thinking
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pandelic
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I use the same sterilizing methods for both and rye never fails. NEVER.
Its also easy to find. Go to the healthy store (whole foods is where i get mine).
I find it its easier to fuck up using WBS
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Re: Rye VS. WBS [Re: pandelic] 1
#14203760 - 03/29/11 01:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I find it its easier to fuck up using WBS
by the same token, anything can be fucked up if its not done right
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bourndead
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pandelic said: I use the same sterilizing methods for both and rye never fails. NEVER.
Its also easy to find. Go to the healthy store (whole foods is where i get mine).
I find it its easier to fuck up using WBS
Believe it or not, not every town has a health food store or a 'whole foods' market, and not every health food store carries rye berries, and not everyone wants to pay the price for rye. (I get 40lbs of WBS for 7bucks. That'd be at least, what, $25-$40 for that much rye?)
I prefer WBS to Rye for the price and convenience. I can see how rye would be easier to get down from jump street, in regards to moisture content, due to the fairly uniform size of the kernels. On the other hand, so long as you have some portion of your brain functioning at least some of the time it should only take you a try or 2 to get your WBS prep down. I've never had a WBS jar "fail" on me due to improper sterilization. As a matter of fact I think most folk's issue with WBS is they don't get the moisture content right because they follow old tek's to a T, and dare not deviate from it even when it doesn't work.
Most WBS teks call for a 24hr soak, followed by a 30min simmer or a 10min boil. I, myself, soak for ~15-18hrs(depending on what I've got going on that day), and boil for 10minutes in the very same (coffee/)water they've been soaking in. Dry till, well...till they're dry and then PC at 15psi for 90mins, netting me <2% burst kernels.
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DJYoshaBYD


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Believe it or not, not every town has a health food store or a 'whole foods' market, and not every health food store carries rye berries, and not everyone wants to pay the price for rye. (I get 40lbs of WBS for 7bucks. That'd be at least, what, $25-$40 for that much rye?)
exactly
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Most WBS teks call for a 24hr soak, followed by a 30min simmer or a 10min boil. I, myself, soak for ~15-18hrs(depending on what I've got going on that day), and boil for 10minutes in the very same (coffee/)water they've been soaking in. Dry till, well...till they're dry and then PC at 15psi for 90mins, netting me <2% burst kernels.
if im using it just for spawn, i dont even soak I follow FooMans tek, which is just steeping in boiling water, covering till cool, then straining.. it works for me everytime.. plus, i get, like, 0 burst grains.. giggity goooooooo
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pandelic
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I failed using WBS.I buy my rye for $35 the 50lbs bag. The best investment ever. Fuck WBS.
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DJYoshaBYD


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Re: Rye VS. WBS [Re: pandelic] 1
#14203883 - 03/29/11 01:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Fuck WBS.
lol.. cool beans.. still think you didnt prep it right, but sure.. "dont blame the tool. Blame the carpenter."
haha
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pandelic
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Ha funny I am technically a Carpenter. But I really do the same prep that I do to rye, It just works better.
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DJYoshaBYD


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Re: Rye VS. WBS [Re: pandelic]
#14203906 - 03/29/11 02:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ha funny I am technically a Carpenter.
hahaha.. nice
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But I really do the same prep that I do to rye, It just works better.
yeah.. its all just preference.. i have seen the opposite, as well.. it doesnt matter how you get your spawn.. just get it.. lol.. but one being better than the other; thats just preference..
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EvilMushroom666
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I have used a fair amount of WBS and now wheat kernels for all my edible grows and I must say that wheat/rye is the way to go for me.
It is easier to prep(not as much draining, rinsing, getting rid of dirt), It is more consistent bag to bag then WBS, and I do not have to drive all around town looking for a mix that has no cracked corn. I have used both effectively, and if you are trying to save $$ WBS is the way to go. If however your time is money I would go with rye/wheat over WBS.
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DJYoshaBYD


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If however your time is money I would go with rye/wheat over WBS.
uuuuummmmmm.. wbs will take just as long to prep and PC as rye, if you are using the same method for each grain.. soak/simmer, steep, soak only, etc.. maybe it strains a lil faster, but the methods for prep should take right around the same time..
and so far, i havent run across any WBS that didnt work for me.. pet stores, safeway, target, kmart, the lil quick mart near me, etc etc etc.. i dont even take the seeds out or anything.. no gypsum, nothing.. just wbs.. no clumping, fast colonization, no issues..
again, its more related to how you prep the grain, then the grain itself..
fuck it.. spawn is spawn..
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EvilMushroom666
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With rye I do not have to rinse and drain my grain 5-6 times before the water runs clear to remove all the dust and foreign particles.
Also I find rye dries a lot quicker then WBS. I use similar grain prep methods for both WBS and rye, and with rye I always seem to be finishing up an hour or two earlier then the same sized WBS batch.
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DJYoshaBYD


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With rye I do not have to rinse and drain my grain 5-6 times before the water runs clear to remove all the dust and foreign particles.
i dont have to do that with WBS, either.. like i said.. foomans tek is the easiest, most straightforward way to do it.. works every single time, without fail.. no soak.. no rinse.. nothing.. boil water.. insert seed.. cover.. remove from heat.. strain.. couldnt be simpler 
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I use similar grain prep methods for both WBS and rye
again.. its all in HOW its prepped.. it still doesnt matter, since rye works for you, and thats the bottom line.. thats just the way it goes
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EvilMushroom666
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Just the fucking way she goes

Do not think for a second that If I was walking in a store and saw 40lb bags of a clean WBS mix without cracked corn for under $10 that I would not buy a few.
Might just be my location but the mixes are always very dirty and heavy on the cracked corn.
If I get into premium bird seeds it works a lot better, comes a lot cleaner, no cracked corn or other additives(peanuts, cranberries etc) BUT it costs as much if not more then rye.
Location, Cost, Procedure, many variables go into the WBS/Rye debate.
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biologys
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EvilMushroom666 said: Just the fucking way she goes

Do not think for a second that If I was walking in a store and saw 40lb bags of a clean WBS mix without cracked corn for under $10 that I would not buy a few.
Might just be my location but the mixes are always very dirty and heavy on the cracked corn.
If I get into premium bird seeds it works a lot better, comes a lot cleaner, no cracked corn or other additives(peanuts, cranberries etc) BUT it costs as much if not more then rye.
Location, Cost, Procedure, many variables go into the WBS/Rye debate.
this is exactly what made me start using WBS all the time
40 pound bag's for 9 bucks, very little cracked corn, 2-3 rinses and the seed is clean as i want it to be, and ready to soak/simmer
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DJYoshaBYD


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Location, Cost, Procedure, many variables go into the WBS/Rye debate.
exactly 
DUDE!! I JUST started watching Trailer Park Boys recently.. I had never heard about it.. i only heard about it last week, and im already on the 4th season.. hahahaha..
its like Its Always Sunny and Reno 911 all mixed together with a bunch of canadians.. hahaha
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biologys
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DJYoshaBYD said:
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Location, Cost, Procedure, many variables go into the WBS/Rye debate.
exactly 
DUDE!! I JUST started watching Trailer Park Boys recently.. I had never heard about it.. i only heard about it last week, and im already on the 4th season.. hahahaha..
its like Its Always Sunny and Reno 911 all mixed together with a bunch of canadians.. hahaha
watch the movie, its funny shit..
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EvilMushroom666
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Grain spawn is not rocket appliances people, just use the compartment of your brain department to do what you need to do...were are my rolling papers I think its time for another six paper joint
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hamloaf
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Re: Rye VS. WBS [Re: biologys]
#14204062 - 03/29/11 02:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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...aaaaand into the off-topic abyss goes this thread.
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stranger_danger
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Re: Rye VS. WBS [Re: biologys]
#14204063 - 03/29/11 02:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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lol, i just have no need for 40 pounds of grain to spawn on at one time... i am just fine grabbing up a 10 pounds bag o' rye berries for like 7.50-8 bucks
but i see your points.... whatever u got u gotta make it work
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DJYoshaBYD


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. i am just fine grabbing up a 10 pounds bag o' rye berries for like 7.50-8 bucks
10 lb bags of WBS are half that
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