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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: teknix]
    #14202120 - 03/29/11 03:09 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

That's because people have only been saying this for about 5000 years.

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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: teknix]
    #14202122 - 03/29/11 03:10 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

To me meditation is an active change in brain chemistry due to spiritual understanding, but this active change in the brain changes you, and this change in you changes the brain so its a loop.

Anyway.. shadows are starting to creep so theres something wrong with my ion channels... damnit. Ill be gone as anything I say may be blabber

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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Janamil]
    #14202123 - 03/29/11 03:11 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Meditate, my man!


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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Azure Essence]
    #14202125 - 03/29/11 03:12 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Maybe they say it to get you to stop thinking about it. Teachers don't always tell the students the ultimate truth, for it does begin with understanding.

It begins with stillness.

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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14202128 - 03/29/11 03:15 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Tchan909 said:
It needs to be just be a daily practice, regardless to whatever you hope to "achieve" by doing it.




Also this.

People turn away from meditation because they dont become a fucking buddha overnight. But guess what? YOU DONT BECOME A BUDDHA OVERNIGHT.

People are so fucking obsessed with getting somewhere or doing something.

It's like writing music. If you write music to sell 1 million records, it will be a lot less sincere and satisfying that someone writing music to write music beause they just love it and the act of writing music.

I had a friend who used to paint these silly rocks..... Long story short, he ended up getting to have some exhibit or some shit where people bought his rocks. I asked if he was sad to see them go, you should have SEEN his fucking face as he said to me, "Are you kidding? I couldnt give half a fucking shit if all these rocks were dumped into the ocean. A finished rock is fucking useless to me. I just love painting the rocks"

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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Azure Essence]
    #14202132 - 03/29/11 03:18 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Cool story :smile:

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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Azure Essence]
    #14202135 - 03/29/11 03:19 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Cool story bro-- and I mean that unironically. Nothing good has ever been accomplished by trying to impress people for its own sake.


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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Azure Essence]
    #14202137 - 03/29/11 03:20 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah basically. If you're trying to meditate to 'get somewhere', you're kind of missing an extremely important point. BE HERE NOW. There is literally nothing else.

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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: teknix]
    #14202143 - 03/29/11 03:21 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I think Buddha's teachings are amongst the most misinterpreted.

I think it is funny that it can be so hard to do nothing. Isn't that irony?

lol.

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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Azure Essence]
    #14202144 - 03/29/11 03:21 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I think most of us get into the practice of meditation to "get somewhere" or another, but as we mature out of the somewhere we were trying to go it's important not to mature out of the practice.

That's where things get tricky.


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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: teknix]
    #14202145 - 03/29/11 03:23 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I think Buddha's teachings are amongst the most misinterpreted.

I think it is funny that it can be so hard to do nothing. Isn't that irony?

lol.




We live in a constant struggle for survival. We should be grateful that we don't need to struggle for food, water, or air. But we're hardwired for struggle, so we find struggles even when they don't exist.


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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14202153 - 03/29/11 03:25 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

That's another spot on remark, tchan.

It's our society that has made people so fucked up and they constantly need to be doing something. Osho writes extensivly on this

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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14202163 - 03/29/11 03:27 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I think it's about perspective. Ones state must be considered by the one who is teaching :smile:

Trying to get somewhere isn't the objective for the time, imo.

I believe to say that there is no accomplishements to be false from this perspective. Although in accomplishing stillness isn't an accomplishment, because you are doing nothing. LOL!

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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: teknix]
    #14202171 - 03/29/11 03:30 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I think it nearly impossible to say one thing in regards to spirituality that can apply to everyone and every perspective. (If not impossible)

Anyways, kinda off track, sry!

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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: teknix]
    #14202178 - 03/29/11 03:32 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah you're definitely right, and a lot of my comments about meditation are 100% right, but 100% wrong as to where they apply.

It's all about hedonism, basically. What makes you happy? DO IT!!!!

Does meditation for you entail putting spaghetti on your head and shitting on cats? well thats, weird, does it make you happy? THEN AWESOME BUDDHA, KEEP SHITTING ON THAT CAT!

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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Azure Essence]
    #14202184 - 03/29/11 03:34 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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It's all about hedonism, basically. What makes you happy? DO IT!!!!

Does meditation for you entail putting spaghetti on your head and shitting on cats? well thats, weird, does it make you happy? THEN AWESOME BUDDHA, KEEP SHITTING ON THAT CAT!




The Hedonistic Imperative seems like a reasonable response not only to that post, but to the thread in general. :crazy:


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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: teknix]
    #14202185 - 03/29/11 03:34 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

teknix said:
I think it nearly impossible to say one thing in regards to spirituality that can apply to everyone and every perspective. (If not impossible)

Anyways, kinda off track, sry!




Spirituality is based on biological chemical means, everyone thoughts, neurology, biology, adaption, and learning is different. Meditation will be different for everyone, perspective will be different for everyone and thus there is no perspective that will show all perspectives unless it is a measurable one easily spanning across all perspectives but this is not achievable yet.

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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Janamil]
    #14202192 - 03/29/11 03:38 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

i meditated consistently and regularly from 13-14 to 21-22 or so

and there was a period for like 1.5 years where I never lost track of my breath

then i went nuts


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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Cherk]
    #14202194 - 03/29/11 03:39 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

If you got OCD from meditating then you weren't doing it right.

:hitler:


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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14202195 - 03/29/11 03:40 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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If you got OCD from meditating then you weren't doing it right.

:hitler:




Neuroplasticity works in many misunderstood ways.

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