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Can you stop thinking?
#14201239 - 03/28/11 11:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Its a serious question. Who has problems not being able to turn off? How many peoples minds go 24/7? I have a mind like this. I know a few of you must. How do you think it effects your life?
I'm proud to announce. I have just gained a mind-state in complete equilibrium. I have no anxiety, I have no fear, I have only my personality but I also do not see in pictures unless I try very hard. The combination of alcoholic withdrawl, coupled with cholinergic starvation for 24 hours and then a cholinergic shock has resulted in the most peaceful mind-state I have ever experienced.. along with the most accurate. Unfortunately, the former mind-state was one of the worst I have ever been in.
I guess what goes up must come down, unless you can somehow master the ability to change the rules.
I don't know how many people here are trying to find peace in there mind but help is coming soon. Not by me most likely, as I originally thought but it is not far. There are already companies working on specific drugs. What is highly amazing is you can find this peace, this.. chemical equilibrium without these fancy drugs that are going to come out within a few years. Just like most technology, or anything really. There was a small amount of people that understood it before everyone else.
I am telling you this to reach anyone that is looking for an answer but has none to go to. Most people in this condition want nothing more then to be out of it. You may find slight peace with Nootropics. Its quite possible to do with Nootropics, Piracetam, A controlled level of choline and much patience.
Do your own research. Its worth the peace.
I do not know how many people here will care, but if it can help one person then this post was worth it.
(Sorry about language, in this current mindset I have no spell correction, no checks of any kind but an innate accuracy I have no had before. Take it as you will).
Things "nootropics" Specifically, Piracetam, Aniracetam, many of the cholinergic nootropics deal with the efficiency of the brain and with people with nervous system problems it gives them an ability to balance it.
If this is what you are looking for, Here it is.
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Janamil]
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Actually every psychotropic substance ingested changes our neurochemestry. Different states of mind do it,different feeling do it. Silenting that inner `chat` is quite a challange. Can do it for certain periods of time,like 1-2 hours,yet 24/7 is impossible for me yet. Still on the path Yet what I have achieved is a internal dialoguue with myself without actually thinking or expressing words. I am able to search for problems in my subconciousness,deal and treat them. Awesome achievement you have made my friend. Just don`t disturb that equillibrium.
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Janamil]
#14201298 - 03/28/11 11:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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it changes my life profoundly, but i do need any drugs to reduce my emotional conscious levels, thats how i attain my sense of knowledge and focus.
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Damkina]
#14201330 - 03/28/11 11:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Damkina said: Actually every psychotropic substance ingested changes our neurochemestry. Different states of mind do it,different feeling do it. Silenting that inner `chat` is quite a challange. Can do it for certain periods of time,like 1-2 hours,yet 24/7 is impossible for me yet. Still on the path Yet what I have achieved is a internal dialoguue with myself without actually thinking or expressing words. I am able to search for problems in my subconciousness,deal and treat them. Awesome achievement you have made my friend. Just don`t disturb that equillibrium.
This equilabrium was achieved through alcoholic withdrawl, and most likely homeostasis that will soon change to my bodies code. Its just one more step in figuring it out.
Its quite true that every chemical we ingest that is psychedelic would change neurochemistry, well without that. It wouldn't be a psychedelic.
I have not the accuracy to post on this forum properly towards the people that should see it. It is still not completely accurate. I am all over the place but its comprehensible.
What is important is most neurochemical psychedelics are very complex and we dont understand most of the mechanisms associated with it. Right now we have understood the cholinergic system effects the whole brain, the whole body and the whole personality.
Nootropics have direct association in controlling this system, allowing simpler change for everyday.
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DarkMatterOfFact said: it changes my life profoundly, but i dont need any drugs to reduce my emotional conscious levels, thats how i attain my sense of knowledge and focus. 
For some people psychosomatic means are not enough.
Also, for the above post. How did you reprogram your brain to do this? How did you change from the default in language to a different method of thinking? Patience and practice?
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I heard that meditation can help with it as well
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Gzaajhom]
#14201493 - 03/29/11 12:13 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Meditation IS silencing the thought....at least how Ive been doing it it is.
I find that once i silence the thought I can focus more on doing.
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Janamil]
#14201536 - 03/29/11 12:25 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have that problem.
I think way way way too much.
Fortunatly life for me is prety good right now and I have been able to sleep.
A couple months back I was having some issues. I wouldnt be able to sleep until 3 in the morning, I then would wake up at 5:30 for work, and in consequence be completely miserable. It was during that pattern of sleeping that I was extremely depressed.
Eventually I got some meds to help me sleep for a month. Now I am back to normal.
Its fucked up how some people dont go through this! My dads girlfriends daughter is sleeping on the cough in the same room as me right now. I have been making noice and moving around all night. She has not even moved. Just a constant snoring. I wish I could sleep that deep!!
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: XUL]
#14201552 - 03/29/11 12:28 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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XUL said: I have that problem.
I think way way way too much.
Fortunatly life for me is prety good right now and I have been able to sleep.
A couple months back I was having some issues. I wouldnt be able to sleep until 3 in the morning, I then would wake up at 5:30 for work, and in consequence be completely miserable. It was during that pattern of sleeping that I was extremely depressed.
Eventually I got some meds to help me sleep for a month. Now I am back to normal.
Its fucked up how some people dont go through this! My dads girlfriends daughter is sleeping on the cough in the same room as me right now. I have been making noice and moving around all night. She has not even moved. Just a constant snoring. I wish I could sleep that deep!!
If you don't mind me asking, did you have to do any special tests to get meds for your sleep? Or did you just walk in, describe symptoms, and get a prescription? I ask because recently (last 2 months) I have had some really bad insomnia and have really been considering going to a doc, but don't want to have to make appointment after appointment.
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Gzaajhom]
#14201584 - 03/29/11 12:35 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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XUL said: I have that problem.
I think way way way too much.
Fortunatly life for me is prety good right now and I have been able to sleep.
A couple months back I was having some issues. I wouldnt be able to sleep until 3 in the morning, I then would wake up at 5:30 for work, and in consequence be completely miserable. It was during that pattern of sleeping that I was extremely depressed.
Eventually I got some meds to help me sleep for a month. Now I am back to normal.
Its fucked up how some people dont go through this! My dads girlfriends daughter is sleeping on the cough in the same room as me right now. I have been making noice and moving around all night. She has not even moved. Just a constant snoring. I wish I could sleep that deep!!
If you don't mind me asking, did you have to do any special tests to get meds for your sleep? Or did you just walk in, describe symptoms, and get a prescription? I ask because recently (last 2 months) I have had some really bad insomnia and have really been considering going to a doc, but don't want to have to make appointment after appointment.
I had insomnia due to anxiety. They gave me 1mg klonopin to take for 1 month an hour before bed and then .5 mg for two weeks then .25 mg for 2 more weeks to conclude my medication. All I had to do was sleep for a month or two to get my sanity back. I got better after I was able to sleep, calm down, and in result think stright.
Why do you not sleep? Problems? or has it always been like that?
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Gzaajhom]
#14201586 - 03/29/11 12:35 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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there's plenty of times that i stop thinking.
i become what i sense
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: XUL]
#14201671 - 03/29/11 01:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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XUL said: I have that problem.
I think way way way too much.
Fortunatly life for me is prety good right now and I have been able to sleep.
A couple months back I was having some issues. I wouldnt be able to sleep until 3 in the morning, I then would wake up at 5:30 for work, and in consequence be completely miserable. It was during that pattern of sleeping that I was extremely depressed.
Eventually I got some meds to help me sleep for a month. Now I am back to normal.
Its fucked up how some people dont go through this! My dads girlfriends daughter is sleeping on the cough in the same room as me right now. I have been making noice and moving around all night. She has not even moved. Just a constant snoring. I wish I could sleep that deep!!
If you don't mind me asking, did you have to do any special tests to get meds for your sleep? Or did you just walk in, describe symptoms, and get a prescription? I ask because recently (last 2 months) I have had some really bad insomnia and have really been considering going to a doc, but don't want to have to make appointment after appointment.
I had insomnia due to anxiety. They gave me 1mg klonopin to take for 1 month an hour before bed and then .5 mg for two weeks then .25 mg for 2 more weeks to conclude my medication. All I had to do was sleep for a month or two to get my sanity back. I got better after I was able to sleep, calm down, and in result think stright.
Why do you not sleep? Problems? or has it always been like that?
It comes and goes, and I'm pretty sure it has to do with stress. When I'm in a bout of insomnia, I usually sleep about 3 nights a week, and then there might be a couple 2-hour naps in there as well. Its amazing, I start to doze off in class, but as soon as its nighttime and I'm supposed to sleep, my mind is set on fire.
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Janamil]
#14201803 - 03/29/11 01:31 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I can focus on something but not stop thinking. you have to distract yourself and then you are asleep. If you try and sleep it doesn't work I just lay there and think about thinking what to think
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: cacharstar]
#14201874 - 03/29/11 01:52 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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What I have seem to been learning is there are two configurations. Two spectrums and everything is underlined in-between this. Some people see the world to fast, and some people see faster then the world. Spectrums of ADD -> ADHD. Alzheimers(extreme) -> Autism(Extreme).
Weve been accidentally changing evolution due to our diets and many diseases have been prominent, but like anything this has been in history for a long time but things are changing fast now due to our self inflicted indirect evolutionary change. Even if it doesn't show in your generation, it may show through your kids. A deficiency in the parent seems to equals an over-exaggeration in the offspring.
What is important is understanding what spectrum you fall under, Once you understand what type of person you are you may better yourself.
ADHD To fast of a personality (Talks before thinking) World coming at them fast To little "On" in every system in the body Usually extroverted Usually not very clumsy, or overly clumsy. Normally its not clumsy but sometimes people can have different ratios of configurations between mind and body, Eg increased sensitivity to a nicotinic receptor, or overproduction due to some underlining mechanism in one part but not another. Or it could be the building blocks that break it down, Weed inhibits this.
Weed is kind of a marvelous drug, From what I understand (My own research, question everything I say). Weed is a type anti-anit-neuromodulator. So by taking out the building blocks of the anti-neourmodulator it allows the brain to compensate in the easiest way. This can go both ways, helping both Spectrums.
ADD To much ON Daydreamer To slow of a personality. (Eg think before do, usually not fast enough) Easier to be introverted Clusmyness is usual. Sometimes configurations cross both lines, especially when you are talking about mind vs body. Unfortunately, it seems like the ADD type that is not very clumsy has problems with the mind and not the body, it did not start from the beginning. It seems to be linked to schizophrenia.
Think of everything you do, Why do you do it? Did anything cause a change overtime through your psychological collective consciousness? E.g. A small child being abused and being scared for life.
What is the reason, How do you better it based on the specific real reason?
Everything has a reason for being, including psychology. Find the real reasons rather then getting frustrated over the outcome.
Seems like everything in logic is backwards, everything is something it does not seem to be. It is the way life is I guess, or it is the way we see life.
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Janamil]
#14201881 - 03/29/11 01:55 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Meditation is a practice for a lifetime. You cannot "master" meditation; you must keep working at it.
I've heard lots of people say they've gotten so good at meditation that they do it without meaning to every moment of their lives. At this assertion, I .
I'm sure most of us here have "stopped thinking" at some point, either voluntarily or involuntarily. We all experience that reprieve from the responsibilities imposed by our ego from time to time.
I'm certainly not averse to the idea that some pharmacological/neurological solution will arise to solve the problem of evil and free us from ourselves once and for all, but until that happens (and I'm working on it, believe you me), we've all got ourselves to worry about. Meditation is the key, not faddish psychopharmacology.
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Tchan909 said: Meditation is a practice for a lifetime. You cannot "master" meditation; you must keep working at it.
I've heard lots of people say they've gotten so good at meditation that they do it without meaning to every moment of their lives. At this assertion, I .
I'm sure most of us here have "stopped thinking" at some point, either voluntarily or involuntarily. We all experience that reprieve from the responsibilities imposed by our ego from time to time.
I'm certainly not averse to the idea that some pharmacological/neurological solution will arise to solve the problem of evil and free us from ourselves once and for all, but until that happens (and I'm working on it, believe you me), we've all got ourselves to worry about. Meditation is the key, not faddish psychopharmacology.
Psychology, Neurology, Biology is different in everyone. Your vision, your sight, all of your senses might be slightly different then the person next to you. Actually, its almost guaranteed.
The human condition disallows perspectives outside of your own without very hard work, or insanity.
Its quite hard to see how everyone relates to you, and how you relate to everyone else. Pretend we are a different specie in every person, because that is what we are. Every genetic, every change in chemical, changes everything about you.
Sure meditation has more intellectual and spiritual understanding but believing there are not people with neurological problems with an easy solution only stopped by our ignorance is well ignorance. Its quite common, just as we understand depression is not fully psychosomatic. At least I hope you believe that.
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Janamil]
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I disagree that the human condition allows perspectives outside of your own, even with very hard work and/or insanity.
Sorry Jan, but you're stuck in that wacky head of yours for the time being, no matter what lengths you may put yourself through to escape it. Any escape you may experience is temporary and fleeting. I think that's why most of us around here love DMT so much.
I know full well people have head problems. Hell, I've got plenty of head problems of my own, believe it or not. The fact that I can type out concise, well-ordered posts should not be taken as an indication of sanity or emotional balance.
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Tchan909 said: I disagree that the human condition allows perspectives outside of your own, even with very hard work and/or insanity.
Sorry Jan, but you're stuck in that wacky head of yours for the time being.
I know full well people have head problems. Hell, I've got plenty of head problems of my own, believe it or not. The fact that I can type out concise, well-ordered posts should not be taken as an indication of sanity or emotional balance.
I am right now, currently fine. It is keeping this state of mind that has become troublesome. Trust me when I say I have fixed my brain in this state, I have achieved CNS balance. I can fall back on my left brain, yet have complete abstract thinking when needed. Almost like a switch. I have complete control over my emotions. Hell I have proper emotions now, Emotional means really fuck up with neurological disorders connected to the CNS. Not only that, I feel lighter my muscles work correctly, my joints are not blocky, ect.
It is ignorance to believe this will never be achieved, Especially soon. We are understanding more and more by the day. We evolve by the year in technology now, not the decade. I have complete peace right now, No anxiety, ability to listen to my surroundings. I have literally hit balance, It is not impossible. It is just very hard. Really, if I can keep this state I will be happy and I know many people would want to hit this state.
I guess I wasn't very clear, of course I can type this out differently now but everything is gone. I even had Shitty feelings, pressure all over my body and that is gone. I'm still working on a theory, I believe it has to do with CSF. Believe it or not, it is possible to somewhat control the brain in extremes. Its just understanding these extremes and what causes them and then bringing practical outcomes is what is hard. We are far in halfway there.
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Damkina]
#14201954 - 03/29/11 02:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Tchan909 said: I've heard lots of people say they've gotten so good at meditation that they do it without meaning to every moment of their lives. At this assertion, I .
maybe they just meant they were better able to bring their meditation practice to their daily lives and living in the moment much better.
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how did you get to that, just lots of meditation?
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: bigmike7104]
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maybe they just meant they were better able to bring their meditation practice to their daily lives and living in the moment much better.
I understand that. I like to meditate while driving, hiking, bored in class, stressed, etc.
But still, in my experience, if you don't practice meditation - and by that I mean sitting down, from time to time, to straighten your back and silence your thoughts, over and over again, for your entire life - then you'll probably lose the ability to meditate in the context of everyday life experience. Just speaking from experience here.
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Tchan909 said: I've heard lots of people say they've gotten so good at meditation that they do it without meaning to every moment of their lives. At this assertion, I .
maybe they just meant they were better able to bring their meditation practice to their daily lives and living in the moment much better.
I understand that. I like to meditate while driving, hiking, bored in class, stressed, etc.
But still, in my experience, if you don't practice meditation - and by that I mean sitting down, from time to time, to straighten your back and silence your thoughts, over and over again, for your entire life - then you'll probably lose the ability to meditate in the context of everyday life experience. Just speaking from experience here.
Thinking is forced on me, I am in my own world the majority of the time thinking of logical theories or spatial oriented systems. I do not know what meditation tries to achieve, but technically this could be biological changes.
Call it spirituality, I dont care. I look at facts but I understand spirituality is there for a reason. Just how we are almost innately religious, it plays on our faults and does it well.
Just like how I don't believe in god or don't know yet but I don't think god should not believed in. There are two symmetries to life. Comfort and knowledge. One is our beast form and one is our evolutionary change. Question is, which will win?
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: cacharstar]
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cacharstar said: I can focus on something but not stop thinking. you have to distract yourself and then you are asleep. If you try and sleep it doesn't work I just lay there and think about thinking what to think
Reminds me of "No rest for cross-tops in my mind". On my own here we go. As time ticks by, and still I try...
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Janamil]
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Tchan909 said: I disagree that the human condition allows perspectives outside of your own, even with very hard work and/or insanity.
Sorry Jan, but you're stuck in that wacky head of yours for the time being.
I know full well people have head problems. Hell, I've got plenty of head problems of my own, believe it or not. The fact that I can type out concise, well-ordered posts should not be taken as an indication of sanity or emotional balance.
I am right now, currently fine. It is keeping this state of mind that has become troublesome. Trust me when I say I have fixed my brain in this state, I have achieved CNS balance. I can fall back on my left brain, yet have complete abstract thinking when needed. Almost like a switch. I have complete control over my emotions. Hell I have proper emotions now, Emotional means really fuck up with neurological disorders connected to the CNS. Not only that, I feel lighter my muscles work correctly, my joints are not blocky, ect.
It is ignorance to believe this will never be achieved, Especially soon. We are understanding more and more by the day. We evolve by the year in technology now, not the decade. I have complete peace right now, No anxiety, ability to listen to my surroundings. I have literally hit balance, It is not impossible. It is just very hard. Really, if I can keep this state I will be happy and I know many people would want to hit this state.
I guess I wasn't very clear, of course I can type this out differently now but everything is gone. I even had Shitty feelings, pressure all over my body and that is gone. I'm still working on a theory, I believe it has to do with CSF. Believe it or not, it is possible to somewhat control the brain in extremes. Its just understanding these extremes and what causes them and then bringing practical outcomes is what is hard. We are far in halfway there.
If you look at my first post, you'll see that I fundamentally agree with you in the idea that we could, theoretically, in our lifetimes, experience the complete erasure of suffering and the ego, and learn to merge with the minds of others and with God at will.
That having been said - such a change has not yet arrived. None of us who function in what we call "everyday life" are capable of this. If you'd like to give up eating, drinking, sleeping, friends, and life in general, then you might find some manner of permanently losing your mind, and probably dying shortly thereafter, to be palatable.
I love people and I love myself, so I'm going down with my ship; I plan to cling to this life and to my suffering until such time as those things have been obviated. And in the meantime I'm going to give my life and my suffering to that goal as a sacrifice.
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Tchan909 said: I disagree that the human condition allows perspectives outside of your own, even with very hard work and/or insanity.
Sorry Jan, but you're stuck in that wacky head of yours for the time being.
I know full well people have head problems. Hell, I've got plenty of head problems of my own, believe it or not. The fact that I can type out concise, well-ordered posts should not be taken as an indication of sanity or emotional balance.
I am right now, currently fine. It is keeping this state of mind that has become troublesome. Trust me when I say I have fixed my brain in this state, I have achieved CNS balance. I can fall back on my left brain, yet have complete abstract thinking when needed. Almost like a switch. I have complete control over my emotions. Hell I have proper emotions now, Emotional means really fuck up with neurological disorders connected to the CNS. Not only that, I feel lighter my muscles work correctly, my joints are not blocky, ect.
It is ignorance to believe this will never be achieved, Especially soon. We are understanding more and more by the day. We evolve by the year in technology now, not the decade. I have complete peace right now, No anxiety, ability to listen to my surroundings. I have literally hit balance, It is not impossible. It is just very hard. Really, if I can keep this state I will be happy and I know many people would want to hit this state.
I guess I wasn't very clear, of course I can type this out differently now but everything is gone. I even had Shitty feelings, pressure all over my body and that is gone. I'm still working on a theory, I believe it has to do with CSF. Believe it or not, it is possible to somewhat control the brain in extremes. Its just understanding these extremes and what causes them and then bringing practical outcomes is what is hard. We are far in halfway there.
If you look at my first post, you'll see that I fundamentally agree with you in the idea that we could, theoretically, in our lifetimes, experience the complete erasure of suffering and the ego, and learn to merge with the minds of others and with God at will.
That having been said - such a change has not yet arrived. None of us who function in what we call "everyday life" are capable of this. If you'd like to give up eating, drinking, sleeping, friends, and life in general, then you might find some manner of permanently losing your mind, and probably dying shortly thereafter, to be palatable.
I love people and I love myself, so I'm going down with my ship; I plan to cling to this life and to my suffering until such time as those things have been obviated. And in the meantime I'm going to give myself to that end.
I think your looking a little to deep here. Some people have neurological problems, Simple turns. Overclock or under-clock, and then the homeostasis involved in that. All that Ive found is an easy fix to an extreme. Which includes a calmness, but not a inhibition like most medication. Which acts direction on the etiological means of most of these neurological disorders.
Spiritual is different, Spiritual plays on the human psychology. Spirituality is part of you and it is nothing but still quite important.
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Janamil]
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Meditation is not an inhibition, it's a full realization. It's the engagement of the mind's ability to simply acknowledge and accept its own thoughts, rather than to be held subject to them.
I'm not looking too deep anywhere. I've got neurological problems, simple turns too. Have you seen me in my "Soldier of God" mode? It's retarded. Also, I spent half of my adolescence sincerely intending to take female hormones and to have my wiener chopped off, and I'm still on the fence about that one at 24.
And here I'm not even getting into my alcoholism or various psychological drug addictions etc.
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Zazen
No more explanation is necessary.
Zazen.
Also, meditation isnt a means to an end. It should NEVER be a means to an end. It's the end itself.
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My mind used to run all the time. I couldn't even sleep because of it. After practicing meditation for awhile, I find it much easier to turn off. Sometimes when I'm involved in something that I really care about, it is harder for me to turn off, but still achieveable.
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I'm not looking too deep anywhere. I've got neurological problems, simple turns too. Have you seen me in my "Soldier of God" mode? It's retarded. Also, I spent half of my adolescence sincerely intending to take female hormones and to have my wiener chopped off, and I'm still on the fence about that one at 24.
Theirs quite a few people that will benefit from an overall CNS shift, Seems to trigger Neurogenesis on the ADD to ADHD spectrum as-well. I do not know about the opposite.
Meditation is intriguing though. Its time to do some empirical research. I wonder if its just the brain growing in a way you want it to(Neuroplasticity), as you could with learning something or if it is a chemical change due to well.. Theres placebos in medicine. This accounts for some sort of physical change through psychosomatic means.
I wonder how far it goes...
Still. Meditation or not though. This should help a lot of you, look into it. You can look up Targacept for the company working on most of this but half of there things are pretty quiet for now.
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The way I started was by counting my inhale and exhale. While this doesn't stop your thinking, it focuses it to a single point/topic to keep it from wandering too much. If I found myself going of on a tangent (which happened a lot at 1st) I would just direct attention back to the breathing/counting.
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: teknix]
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Yea exactly without any practice or training you're a victim of your mind cartwheeling around, I've gotten probably 10 minutes without a single thought with a certain meditation technique, but yea IF you can keep it that way you'll be so super aware that you just might be able to pull those stunts like knowing every licence plate in the parking lot or whatever.
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Janamil]
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Yes regular meditation does alter the shape of the brain, there have been multiple studies on this.
Also an unrelated comment you may find useful, but any change in physiology will create an immediate change in mental state. That's why Tony Robbins has people getting all pumped up, and not eating all say and staying awake for like 36 hours, but all that's needed really to 'access' that is getting your heart going pretty intense for a few minutes.
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I was out in my living room just sitting staring at the window and was allowed to completely silence my thoughts and listen to my senses, I could go very far but I smoked weed abit ago so its start to shift back into in a different state, was worth the increased creativity while it lasted though.
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Being prisoner of your own mind is not an inhibition for some people, not a flaw. This is the important difference.
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I just dedicate myself to the experience of breaths going in and out of my lungs. Anytime I think of something else, I simply acknowledge it. I don't judge it, or involve myself in the experience of it, because I don't need to. Then I move my attention back to my breathing. Once this has been established, I begin to gently loosen my muscles.
I don't really know where to go from there because I usually spend the rest of my session in the state that follows. I'm pretty sure this type of relaxed, serene state is the aim of meditation, but I could be wrong. I don't get to this state every time. In fact, oftentimes I'll spend an entire session just trying to silence my thoughts without any kind of lasting success. But I don't judge sessions like these as a failure. It's just a meditation session like any other.
When I do this practice regularly, for its own sake and on its own time (you really do have to set time aside from your hectic schedule of constantly posting on the Shroomery), I find it becomes a simple matter to take hardships and discomfort in stride in the pursuit of higher goals than alleviating hardships and discomfort.
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I don't really know where to go from there because I usually spend the rest of my session in the state that follows. I'm pretty sure this type of relaxed, serene state is the aim of meditation, but I could be wrong. I don't get to this state every time. In fact, oftentimes I'll spend an entire session just trying to silence my thoughts without any kind of lasting success. But I don't judge sessions like these as a failure. It's just a meditation session like any other.
When I do this practice regularly, for its own sake and on its own time (you really do have to set time aside from your hectic schedule of constantly posting on the Shroomery), I find it becomes a simple matter to take hardships and discomfort in stride in the pursuit of higher goals than alleviating hardships and discomfort.
I personally think it is a preparation for preparing your body to be able to look.
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There's no 'aim' of meditation, medtation IS the aim. Anything beyond that point is just free candy, so to speak.
People dont realize the ultimate orgasm is literally just being, and realizing it. So much doing, having, wanting, so much crazy shit, people numb themselves to it.
I have moment where I just tune into that and it instantly changs how I feel and think about everythig. Just a single second I take a deep breath, and BE and really feel it, it's glorious. People are so cut off from the sensation of existing, and some onyl get back to that on psychedelics, but take a moment, really even a moment is more time than you could ever need, and feel that. Feel yourself being alive
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: teknix]
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There is certainly a clarity of mind that comes with meditation practice. When I first began I was amazed at how upon finishing I'd feel lighter in the body, with an enhanced clarity of vision and richer experience of colors. It goes deep. But recently in particular, I've found it to be most useful in controlling impulsive behavior and anxiety.
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Oh yeah, it's useful for everything, because at the same time if helps you define everything.
I dont know how people live(if you can call that living) witohut meditating. If people sat alone in a dark, quiet room for 1 hour a day, not only would they have nothing more to complain and worry about, they would find that 1 hour is the only hour they are truly alive.
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People dont realize the ultimate orgasm is literally just being, and realizing it. So much doing, having, wanting, so much crazy shit, people numb themselves to it.
I have moment where I just tune into that and it instantly changs how I feel and think about everythig. Just a single second I take a deep breath, and BE and really feel it, it's glorious. People are so cut off from the sensation of existing, and some onyl get back to that on psychedelics, but take a moment, really even a moment is more time than you could ever need, and feel that. Feel yourself being alive
Meditation and psychedelics (especially LSD) are like bread and butter...
I smoked DMT after a prolonged meditation session a couple weekends ago, and I literally felt it... I breathed with the universe and I loved with the heart of God. I was everywhere, everything. The visuals were great, but that feeling of absolute interconnectedness is what I love to get out of psychedelics above all else.
The trouble is that meditation IS useful for various aims in daily life, but the practice of meditation can't be engaged in the pursuit of those aims. It needs to be just be a daily practice, regardless to whatever you hope to "achieve" by doing it.
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People dont realize the ultimate orgasm is literally just being, and realizing it. So much doing, having, wanting, so much crazy shit, people numb themselves to it.
I have moment where I just tune into that and it instantly changs how I feel and think about everythig. Just a single second I take a deep breath, and BE and really feel it, it's glorious. People are so cut off from the sensation of existing, and some onyl get back to that on psychedelics, but take a moment, really even a moment is more time than you could ever need, and feel that. Feel yourself being alive
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That's because people have only been saying this for about 5000 years.
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To me meditation is an active change in brain chemistry due to spiritual understanding, but this active change in the brain changes you, and this change in you changes the brain so its a loop.
Anyway.. shadows are starting to creep so theres something wrong with my ion channels... damnit. Ill be gone as anything I say may be blabber
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Janamil]
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Meditate, my man!
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Maybe they say it to get you to stop thinking about it. Teachers don't always tell the students the ultimate truth, for it does begin with understanding.
It begins with stillness.
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Tchan909 said: It needs to be just be a daily practice, regardless to whatever you hope to "achieve" by doing it.
Also this.
People turn away from meditation because they dont become a fucking buddha overnight. But guess what? YOU DONT BECOME A BUDDHA OVERNIGHT.
People are so fucking obsessed with getting somewhere or doing something.
It's like writing music. If you write music to sell 1 million records, it will be a lot less sincere and satisfying that someone writing music to write music beause they just love it and the act of writing music.
I had a friend who used to paint these silly rocks..... Long story short, he ended up getting to have some exhibit or some shit where people bought his rocks. I asked if he was sad to see them go, you should have SEEN his fucking face as he said to me, "Are you kidding? I couldnt give half a fucking shit if all these rocks were dumped into the ocean. A finished rock is fucking useless to me. I just love painting the rocks"
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Cool story bro-- and I mean that unironically. Nothing good has ever been accomplished by trying to impress people for its own sake.
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Yeah basically. If you're trying to meditate to 'get somewhere', you're kind of missing an extremely important point. BE HERE NOW. There is literally nothing else.
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I think Buddha's teachings are amongst the most misinterpreted.
I think it is funny that it can be so hard to do nothing. Isn't that irony?
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I think most of us get into the practice of meditation to "get somewhere" or another, but as we mature out of the somewhere we were trying to go it's important not to mature out of the practice.
That's where things get tricky.
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I think it is funny that it can be so hard to do nothing. Isn't that irony?
lol.
We live in a constant struggle for survival. We should be grateful that we don't need to struggle for food, water, or air. But we're hardwired for struggle, so we find struggles even when they don't exist.
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That's another spot on remark, tchan.
It's our society that has made people so fucked up and they constantly need to be doing something. Osho writes extensivly on this
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I think it's about perspective. Ones state must be considered by the one who is teaching 
Trying to get somewhere isn't the objective for the time, imo.
I believe to say that there is no accomplishements to be false from this perspective. Although in accomplishing stillness isn't an accomplishment, because you are doing nothing. LOL!
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I think it nearly impossible to say one thing in regards to spirituality that can apply to everyone and every perspective. (If not impossible)
Anyways, kinda off track, sry!
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Yeah you're definitely right, and a lot of my comments about meditation are 100% right, but 100% wrong as to where they apply.
It's all about hedonism, basically. What makes you happy? DO IT!!!!
Does meditation for you entail putting spaghetti on your head and shitting on cats? well thats, weird, does it make you happy? THEN AWESOME BUDDHA, KEEP SHITTING ON THAT CAT!
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Does meditation for you entail putting spaghetti on your head and shitting on cats? well thats, weird, does it make you happy? THEN AWESOME BUDDHA, KEEP SHITTING ON THAT CAT!
The Hedonistic Imperative seems like a reasonable response not only to that post, but to the thread in general.
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Anyways, kinda off track, sry!
Spirituality is based on biological chemical means, everyone thoughts, neurology, biology, adaption, and learning is different. Meditation will be different for everyone, perspective will be different for everyone and thus there is no perspective that will show all perspectives unless it is a measurable one easily spanning across all perspectives but this is not achievable yet.
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i meditated consistently and regularly from 13-14 to 21-22 or so
and there was a period for like 1.5 years where I never lost track of my breath
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If you got OCD from meditating then you weren't doing it right.
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Anyways, kinda off track, sry!
Spirituality is based on biological chemical means, everyone thoughts, neurology, biology, adaption, and learning is different. Meditation will be different for everyone, perspective will be different for everyone and thus there is no perspective that will show all perspectives unless it is a measurable one easily spanning across all perspectives but this is not achievable yet.
Yeah! Like defining words before you counter the argument, lol.
I personally think that if every word had only one meaning, and other words were devised for the other meaning, it would eliminate many misunderstandings.
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Such is the ugly beauty of language
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I personally think that if every word had only one meaning, and other words were devised for the other meaning, it would eliminate many misunderstandings.
all dem words make sense for a balanced brain
they mean different things but only striated across fields of study but mostly just science and literature
striation "One of a number of parallel lines or scratches on the surface of a rock that were inscribed by rock fragments embedded in the base of a glacier as it moved across the rock."
i think everything can be explained without all the words there are
the words mean the same thing to life but to studies they are different but only to someone without a truly balanced brain
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you don't have to be able to write everything to read everything and it's not impossible to do both
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Words are just noises our psychotic ape brains associate with various feelings, probably linked to the feelings we get by making those noises with our mouths. It's really quite a stupendously sensual process, but we take it very seriously and study it these days, while exposing as many people as possible to this most lovely and transcendental form of masturbation known as "literacy."
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I personally think that if every word had only one meaning, and other words were devised for the other meaning, it would eliminate many misunderstandings.
all dem words make sense for a balanced brain
they mean different things but only striated across fields of study but mostly just science and literature
striation "One of a number of parallel lines or scratches on the surface of a rock that were inscribed by rock fragments embedded in the base of a glacier as it moved across the rock."
i think everything can be explained without all the words there are
the words mean the same thing to life but to studies they are different but only to someone without a truly balanced brain
And what is a balanced brain might I ask?
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: teknix]
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for me it involves being drunk
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Cherk]
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Amen, bruthasis!
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Cherk]
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So are you insinuating that your brain while sober is the epitome of a balanced brain?
That explains a lot!
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Janamil]
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Tchan909 said: If you got OCD from meditating then you weren't doing it right.

Neuroplasticity works in many misunderstood ways.
meditation has been shown in studies to greatly improve ocd and there has never been shown any negative benefits to meditation. why do you think that's what caused it?
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Tchan909 said: If you got OCD from meditating then you weren't doing it right.

Neuroplasticity works in many misunderstood ways.
meditation has been shown in studies to greatly improve ocd and there has never been shown any negative benefits to meditation. why do you think that's what caused it?
Why do you assume it has not caused it? I don't know to be honest, it could of been many things. I'm just saying. The brain works in mysterious ways we do not understand it could of been it.
I don't know how many people care about this, but I have officially given up. After having an instant headache so bad that I thought I could have a hemorrhage, I do not want to do this anymore.
I give up. I will send my findings in a thesis to this doctor and I will go back to being a disabled stoner. This is just to frustrating. Battling with your mind when your mind will inevitably win by default. I do not have the money to go to college for this nor do I want to spend a huge amount of my life in this direction. Human biology pisses me off. Its so hard to do anything in that field. I will do my own research but it is to risky to starve my body of choline, and without it I do not think properly.
I am fucked in any direction. At least I can be happy in a stoned haze.
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Janamil]
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Why do you assume it has not caused it?
because there has been many studies on meditation ranging from beginners to Buddhist monks and it has only found positive benefits including greatly improving mental disorders like ocd.
if it had the potential for any negative affects they would have found it already.
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Why do you assume it has not caused it?
because there has been many studies on meditation ranging from beginners to Buddhist monks and it has only found positive benefits including greatly improving mental disorders like ocd.
if it had the potential for any negative affects they would have found it already.
There is almost always exceptions, especially when talking about something we don't fully understand or really.. understand very much at all.
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Janamil]
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IMO to say that meditation can cause OCD is like saying that MDMA can cause PTSD when taken in a safe, supportive environment.
I mean, sure, I guess it's theoretically possible, but why would you even pursue such a far-out lead?
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Janamil]
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scientists actually understand quite a bit about meditation, obviously not fully. and your saying it's possible that to constantly focus your attention on something and fully accept the present moment (essentially what meditation is) it can cause ocd. the only way i can see that happening is if your constantly giving in to worries about if your doing it right and good enough which essentially then isn't meditation. and even then that would be just short term compulsions there's no way it can cause long term ocd.
1000s of subjects have been studied, and all of the changes to the brain and mind have been positive including better attention, memory, reduced stress, and increased brain size in relation to gray matter.
definition of ocd from wiki
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characterized by intrusive thoughts that produce uneasiness, apprehension, fear, or worry, by repetitive behaviors aimed at reducing anxiety, or by a combination of such thoughts (obsessions) and behaviors (compulsions).
people who meditate are also better able to control activity in the amygdala which is the brains fear center basically. this means they are better able to not let thoughts and feelings affect them and are able to more quickly return to the present moment which means reduced obsessions and compulsions.
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My mind used to chatter on all day long, and try as I might I could never get it to quit.
Since I started meditating it's been a lot quieter. Sitting in meditation I can reach states where there is no thinking at all. I also see though my thoughts and they don't bother me.
Turning to medication to stop thoughts makes me laugh and weep at the same time. Drugs are not the answer to everything.
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Janamil]
#14204258 - 03/29/11 03:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Memory is what gives you the ability to think and have an internal dialogue.
When your mind's speed of perception accelerates, there is not enough time left for digging into the memory channels of your brain, thus you 're forced into the absorption of what is happening right here now.
I can't stand still for long periods of time, so i push my self into active meditation by trancedancing in a constant lonely way for hours.
I have experienced the very efficient "dance like nobody's watching" state, while becoming one with the never ending beat....this puts you into a trance and the motion itself becomes faster than your ability to think what your next step should be. You become unpredictable for your own self....motion starts to tell thought what is going on...that happens mainly because motion is much older than thought in the human system.
We have all lived more while moving than while thinking.Motion is what teached you how to think in the first place. Resume the process by letting movement take control again.
Small doses of Amanita muscaria have the same effect. They smash your ability to remember past events very efficiently.
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Janamil]
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OK, I'm going to settle the OCD debate.
If 'meditating' gives you OCD, you are doing sometihng so far off base, it should be even called meditation. Sure, you can sit alone in a quiet room for an hour, looking serene and thinking of child molestation and murder and extortion and Lady Gaga. Just because it seems like meditation, doesnt mean it is
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also saying meditation can be a cause of ocd is like saying reading a book can cause ocd.
sure it's possible that they do, but theoretically anything can be possible
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bigmike7104 said: also saying meditation can be a cause of ocd is like saying reading a book can cause ocd.
sure it's possible that they do, but theoretically anything can be possible
Except its so impossible some people insist on being fucking blind to anything that has any remote impossibility. People don't question shit like that. They just know what they know is correct. This is the social problem.
I guess its just easier to not fucking care. Empathetic feelings only go so far before insanity.
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Janamil]
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i cant stop thinking but have just accepted it. i was put on ritalin as a kid and i still have concentration problems so i guess i have ADD. i abused alcohol/coke/crack/ciggs/other stims from my late teens until my early 20's. for the past five years i have lived a super healthy lifestyle(organic food,yoga etc). but i have also in the past five years begun to experience nervous system issues, like pain,numbness,fatigue and a long list of if other symptoms. sadly i developed optic neuritis at the start of this year and have now been seeing a neurologist and he seems to think i am a "textbook" multiple sclerosis case. i go for a brain scan i two weeks for diagnosis, and from all the reading i have done i am pretty sure i have it. so i guess that if i do have this rare condition it would explain why i can not stop thinking.all i can say is thank the universe for lady mary jane. sorry for off loading all my troubles i just want to get it out.
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: monkiman]
#14207504 - 03/30/11 01:43 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Seems like the only time I can stop thinking is when I take a combination of drugs. I just sit there, nothing else just unmoving.
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Janamil]
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bigmike7104 said: also saying meditation can be a cause of ocd is like saying reading a book can cause ocd.
sure it's possible that they do, but theoretically anything can be possible
Except its so impossible some people insist on being fucking blind to anything that has any remote impossibility. People don't question shit like that. They just know what they know is correct. This is the social problem.
I guess its just easier to not fucking care. Empathetic feelings only go so far before insanity.
except you have no reason at all to believe that it was the cause, and if you do i'm really curious how you think so.
i say you do a half hour of meditation every day for a few months and i guarantee if your ocd isn't helped it won't be any worse.
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good stuff
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