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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Janamil]
#14202208 - 03/29/11 03:46 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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teknix said: I think it nearly impossible to say one thing in regards to spirituality that can apply to everyone and every perspective. (If not impossible)
Anyways, kinda off track, sry!
Spirituality is based on biological chemical means, everyone thoughts, neurology, biology, adaption, and learning is different. Meditation will be different for everyone, perspective will be different for everyone and thus there is no perspective that will show all perspectives unless it is a measurable one easily spanning across all perspectives but this is not achievable yet.
Yeah! Like defining words before you counter the argument, lol.
I personally think that if every word had only one meaning, and other words were devised for the other meaning, it would eliminate many misunderstandings.
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: teknix]
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teknix said: I personally think that if every word had only one meaning, and other words were devised for the other meaning, it would eliminate many misunderstandings.
Such is the ugly beauty of language
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: teknix]
#14202230 - 03/29/11 03:55 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I personally think that if every word had only one meaning, and other words were devised for the other meaning, it would eliminate many misunderstandings.
all dem words make sense for a balanced brain
they mean different things but only striated across fields of study but mostly just science and literature
striation "One of a number of parallel lines or scratches on the surface of a rock that were inscribed by rock fragments embedded in the base of a glacier as it moved across the rock."
i think everything can be explained without all the words there are
the words mean the same thing to life but to studies they are different but only to someone without a truly balanced brain
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Cherk]
#14202240 - 03/29/11 03:59 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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you don't have to be able to write everything to read everything and it's not impossible to do both
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Cherk]
#14202242 - 03/29/11 04:05 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Words are just noises our psychotic ape brains associate with various feelings, probably linked to the feelings we get by making those noises with our mouths. It's really quite a stupendously sensual process, but we take it very seriously and study it these days, while exposing as many people as possible to this most lovely and transcendental form of masturbation known as "literacy."
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Cherk]
#14202244 - 03/29/11 04:07 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I personally think that if every word had only one meaning, and other words were devised for the other meaning, it would eliminate many misunderstandings.
all dem words make sense for a balanced brain
they mean different things but only striated across fields of study but mostly just science and literature
striation "One of a number of parallel lines or scratches on the surface of a rock that were inscribed by rock fragments embedded in the base of a glacier as it moved across the rock."
i think everything can be explained without all the words there are
the words mean the same thing to life but to studies they are different but only to someone without a truly balanced brain
And what is a balanced brain might I ask?
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: teknix]
#14202248 - 03/29/11 04:10 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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for me it involves being drunk
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Cherk]
#14202252 - 03/29/11 04:11 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Amen, bruthasis!
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Cherk]
#14202254 - 03/29/11 04:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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So are you insinuating that your brain while sober is the epitome of a balanced brain?
That explains a lot!
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Janamil]
#14203639 - 03/29/11 01:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Tchan909 said: If you got OCD from meditating then you weren't doing it right.

Neuroplasticity works in many misunderstood ways.
meditation has been shown in studies to greatly improve ocd and there has never been shown any negative benefits to meditation. why do you think that's what caused it?
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Tchan909 said: If you got OCD from meditating then you weren't doing it right.

Neuroplasticity works in many misunderstood ways.
meditation has been shown in studies to greatly improve ocd and there has never been shown any negative benefits to meditation. why do you think that's what caused it?
Why do you assume it has not caused it? I don't know to be honest, it could of been many things. I'm just saying. The brain works in mysterious ways we do not understand it could of been it.
I don't know how many people care about this, but I have officially given up. After having an instant headache so bad that I thought I could have a hemorrhage, I do not want to do this anymore.
I give up. I will send my findings in a thesis to this doctor and I will go back to being a disabled stoner. This is just to frustrating. Battling with your mind when your mind will inevitably win by default. I do not have the money to go to college for this nor do I want to spend a huge amount of my life in this direction. Human biology pisses me off. Its so hard to do anything in that field. I will do my own research but it is to risky to starve my body of choline, and without it I do not think properly.
I am fucked in any direction. At least I can be happy in a stoned haze.
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Janamil]
#14203745 - 03/29/11 01:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Why do you assume it has not caused it?
because there has been many studies on meditation ranging from beginners to Buddhist monks and it has only found positive benefits including greatly improving mental disorders like ocd.
if it had the potential for any negative affects they would have found it already.
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Why do you assume it has not caused it?
because there has been many studies on meditation ranging from beginners to Buddhist monks and it has only found positive benefits including greatly improving mental disorders like ocd.
if it had the potential for any negative affects they would have found it already.
There is almost always exceptions, especially when talking about something we don't fully understand or really.. understand very much at all.
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Janamil]
#14203853 - 03/29/11 01:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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IMO to say that meditation can cause OCD is like saying that MDMA can cause PTSD when taken in a safe, supportive environment.
I mean, sure, I guess it's theoretically possible, but why would you even pursue such a far-out lead?
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Janamil]
#14203990 - 03/29/11 02:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Janamil said: There is almost always exceptions, especially when talking about something we don't fully understand or really.. understand very much at all.
scientists actually understand quite a bit about meditation, obviously not fully. and your saying it's possible that to constantly focus your attention on something and fully accept the present moment (essentially what meditation is) it can cause ocd. the only way i can see that happening is if your constantly giving in to worries about if your doing it right and good enough which essentially then isn't meditation. and even then that would be just short term compulsions there's no way it can cause long term ocd.
1000s of subjects have been studied, and all of the changes to the brain and mind have been positive including better attention, memory, reduced stress, and increased brain size in relation to gray matter.
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characterized by intrusive thoughts that produce uneasiness, apprehension, fear, or worry, by repetitive behaviors aimed at reducing anxiety, or by a combination of such thoughts (obsessions) and behaviors (compulsions).
people who meditate are also better able to control activity in the amygdala which is the brains fear center basically. this means they are better able to not let thoughts and feelings affect them and are able to more quickly return to the present moment which means reduced obsessions and compulsions.
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My mind used to chatter on all day long, and try as I might I could never get it to quit.
Since I started meditating it's been a lot quieter. Sitting in meditation I can reach states where there is no thinking at all. I also see though my thoughts and they don't bother me.
Turning to medication to stop thoughts makes me laugh and weep at the same time. Drugs are not the answer to everything.
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Janamil]
#14204258 - 03/29/11 03:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Memory is what gives you the ability to think and have an internal dialogue.
When your mind's speed of perception accelerates, there is not enough time left for digging into the memory channels of your brain, thus you 're forced into the absorption of what is happening right here now.
I can't stand still for long periods of time, so i push my self into active meditation by trancedancing in a constant lonely way for hours.
I have experienced the very efficient "dance like nobody's watching" state, while becoming one with the never ending beat....this puts you into a trance and the motion itself becomes faster than your ability to think what your next step should be. You become unpredictable for your own self....motion starts to tell thought what is going on...that happens mainly because motion is much older than thought in the human system.
We have all lived more while moving than while thinking.Motion is what teached you how to think in the first place. Resume the process by letting movement take control again.
Small doses of Amanita muscaria have the same effect. They smash your ability to remember past events very efficiently.
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Janamil]
#14207065 - 03/29/11 11:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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OK, I'm going to settle the OCD debate.
If 'meditating' gives you OCD, you are doing sometihng so far off base, it should be even called meditation. Sure, you can sit alone in a quiet room for an hour, looking serene and thinking of child molestation and murder and extortion and Lady Gaga. Just because it seems like meditation, doesnt mean it is
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also saying meditation can be a cause of ocd is like saying reading a book can cause ocd.
sure it's possible that they do, but theoretically anything can be possible
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#14207175 - 03/30/11 12:06 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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bigmike7104 said: also saying meditation can be a cause of ocd is like saying reading a book can cause ocd.
sure it's possible that they do, but theoretically anything can be possible
Except its so impossible some people insist on being fucking blind to anything that has any remote impossibility. People don't question shit like that. They just know what they know is correct. This is the social problem.
I guess its just easier to not fucking care. Empathetic feelings only go so far before insanity.
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