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Janamil


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Can you stop thinking?
#14201239 - 03/28/11 11:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Its a serious question. Who has problems not being able to turn off? How many peoples minds go 24/7? I have a mind like this. I know a few of you must. How do you think it effects your life?
I'm proud to announce. I have just gained a mind-state in complete equilibrium. I have no anxiety, I have no fear, I have only my personality but I also do not see in pictures unless I try very hard. The combination of alcoholic withdrawl, coupled with cholinergic starvation for 24 hours and then a cholinergic shock has resulted in the most peaceful mind-state I have ever experienced.. along with the most accurate. Unfortunately, the former mind-state was one of the worst I have ever been in.
I guess what goes up must come down, unless you can somehow master the ability to change the rules.
I don't know how many people here are trying to find peace in there mind but help is coming soon. Not by me most likely, as I originally thought but it is not far. There are already companies working on specific drugs. What is highly amazing is you can find this peace, this.. chemical equilibrium without these fancy drugs that are going to come out within a few years. Just like most technology, or anything really. There was a small amount of people that understood it before everyone else.
I am telling you this to reach anyone that is looking for an answer but has none to go to. Most people in this condition want nothing more then to be out of it. You may find slight peace with Nootropics. Its quite possible to do with Nootropics, Piracetam, A controlled level of choline and much patience.
Do your own research. Its worth the peace.
I do not know how many people here will care, but if it can help one person then this post was worth it.
(Sorry about language, in this current mindset I have no spell correction, no checks of any kind but an innate accuracy I have no had before. Take it as you will).
Things "nootropics" Specifically, Piracetam, Aniracetam, many of the cholinergic nootropics deal with the efficiency of the brain and with people with nervous system problems it gives them an ability to balance it.
If this is what you are looking for, Here it is.
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Janamil]
#14201279 - 03/28/11 11:31 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Actually every psychotropic substance ingested changes our neurochemestry. Different states of mind do it,different feeling do it. Silenting that inner `chat` is quite a challange. Can do it for certain periods of time,like 1-2 hours,yet 24/7 is impossible for me yet. Still on the path Yet what I have achieved is a internal dialoguue with myself without actually thinking or expressing words. I am able to search for problems in my subconciousness,deal and treat them. Awesome achievement you have made my friend. Just don`t disturb that equillibrium.
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Janamil]
#14201298 - 03/28/11 11:33 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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it changes my life profoundly, but i do need any drugs to reduce my emotional conscious levels, thats how i attain my sense of knowledge and focus.
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DarkMatterOfFact said: it changes my life profoundly, but i dont need any drugs to reduce my emotional conscious levels, thats how i attain my sense of knowledge and focus. 
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Damkina]
#14201330 - 03/28/11 11:36 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Damkina said: Actually every psychotropic substance ingested changes our neurochemestry. Different states of mind do it,different feeling do it. Silenting that inner `chat` is quite a challange. Can do it for certain periods of time,like 1-2 hours,yet 24/7 is impossible for me yet. Still on the path Yet what I have achieved is a internal dialoguue with myself without actually thinking or expressing words. I am able to search for problems in my subconciousness,deal and treat them. Awesome achievement you have made my friend. Just don`t disturb that equillibrium.
This equilabrium was achieved through alcoholic withdrawl, and most likely homeostasis that will soon change to my bodies code. Its just one more step in figuring it out.
Its quite true that every chemical we ingest that is psychedelic would change neurochemistry, well without that. It wouldn't be a psychedelic.
I have not the accuracy to post on this forum properly towards the people that should see it. It is still not completely accurate. I am all over the place but its comprehensible.
What is important is most neurochemical psychedelics are very complex and we dont understand most of the mechanisms associated with it. Right now we have understood the cholinergic system effects the whole brain, the whole body and the whole personality.
Nootropics have direct association in controlling this system, allowing simpler change for everyday.
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DarkMatterOfFact said: it changes my life profoundly, but i dont need any drugs to reduce my emotional conscious levels, thats how i attain my sense of knowledge and focus. 
For some people psychosomatic means are not enough.
Also, for the above post. How did you reprogram your brain to do this? How did you change from the default in language to a different method of thinking? Patience and practice?
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I heard that meditation can help with it as well
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Gzaajhom]
#14201493 - 03/29/11 12:13 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Meditation IS silencing the thought....at least how Ive been doing it it is.
I find that once i silence the thought I can focus more on doing.
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It's a kind of relieving feeling to know that my brain will finally be "off" when I'm dead.
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Janamil]
#14201536 - 03/29/11 12:25 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have that problem.
I think way way way too much.
Fortunatly life for me is prety good right now and I have been able to sleep.
A couple months back I was having some issues. I wouldnt be able to sleep until 3 in the morning, I then would wake up at 5:30 for work, and in consequence be completely miserable. It was during that pattern of sleeping that I was extremely depressed.
Eventually I got some meds to help me sleep for a month. Now I am back to normal.
Its fucked up how some people dont go through this! My dads girlfriends daughter is sleeping on the cough in the same room as me right now. I have been making noice and moving around all night. She has not even moved. Just a constant snoring. I wish I could sleep that deep!!
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: XUL]
#14201552 - 03/29/11 12:28 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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XUL said: I have that problem.
I think way way way too much.
Fortunatly life for me is prety good right now and I have been able to sleep.
A couple months back I was having some issues. I wouldnt be able to sleep until 3 in the morning, I then would wake up at 5:30 for work, and in consequence be completely miserable. It was during that pattern of sleeping that I was extremely depressed.
Eventually I got some meds to help me sleep for a month. Now I am back to normal.
Its fucked up how some people dont go through this! My dads girlfriends daughter is sleeping on the cough in the same room as me right now. I have been making noice and moving around all night. She has not even moved. Just a constant snoring. I wish I could sleep that deep!!
If you don't mind me asking, did you have to do any special tests to get meds for your sleep? Or did you just walk in, describe symptoms, and get a prescription? I ask because recently (last 2 months) I have had some really bad insomnia and have really been considering going to a doc, but don't want to have to make appointment after appointment.
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Gzaajhom]
#14201584 - 03/29/11 12:35 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Gzaajhom said:
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XUL said: I have that problem.
I think way way way too much.
Fortunatly life for me is prety good right now and I have been able to sleep.
A couple months back I was having some issues. I wouldnt be able to sleep until 3 in the morning, I then would wake up at 5:30 for work, and in consequence be completely miserable. It was during that pattern of sleeping that I was extremely depressed.
Eventually I got some meds to help me sleep for a month. Now I am back to normal.
Its fucked up how some people dont go through this! My dads girlfriends daughter is sleeping on the cough in the same room as me right now. I have been making noice and moving around all night. She has not even moved. Just a constant snoring. I wish I could sleep that deep!!
If you don't mind me asking, did you have to do any special tests to get meds for your sleep? Or did you just walk in, describe symptoms, and get a prescription? I ask because recently (last 2 months) I have had some really bad insomnia and have really been considering going to a doc, but don't want to have to make appointment after appointment.
I had insomnia due to anxiety. They gave me 1mg klonopin to take for 1 month an hour before bed and then .5 mg for two weeks then .25 mg for 2 more weeks to conclude my medication. All I had to do was sleep for a month or two to get my sanity back. I got better after I was able to sleep, calm down, and in result think stright.
Why do you not sleep? Problems? or has it always been like that?
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Gzaajhom]
#14201586 - 03/29/11 12:35 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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there's plenty of times that i stop thinking.
i become what i sense
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: XUL]
#14201671 - 03/29/11 01:01 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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XUL said:
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Gzaajhom said:
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XUL said: I have that problem.
I think way way way too much.
Fortunatly life for me is prety good right now and I have been able to sleep.
A couple months back I was having some issues. I wouldnt be able to sleep until 3 in the morning, I then would wake up at 5:30 for work, and in consequence be completely miserable. It was during that pattern of sleeping that I was extremely depressed.
Eventually I got some meds to help me sleep for a month. Now I am back to normal.
Its fucked up how some people dont go through this! My dads girlfriends daughter is sleeping on the cough in the same room as me right now. I have been making noice and moving around all night. She has not even moved. Just a constant snoring. I wish I could sleep that deep!!
If you don't mind me asking, did you have to do any special tests to get meds for your sleep? Or did you just walk in, describe symptoms, and get a prescription? I ask because recently (last 2 months) I have had some really bad insomnia and have really been considering going to a doc, but don't want to have to make appointment after appointment.
I had insomnia due to anxiety. They gave me 1mg klonopin to take for 1 month an hour before bed and then .5 mg for two weeks then .25 mg for 2 more weeks to conclude my medication. All I had to do was sleep for a month or two to get my sanity back. I got better after I was able to sleep, calm down, and in result think stright.
Why do you not sleep? Problems? or has it always been like that?
It comes and goes, and I'm pretty sure it has to do with stress. When I'm in a bout of insomnia, I usually sleep about 3 nights a week, and then there might be a couple 2-hour naps in there as well. Its amazing, I start to doze off in class, but as soon as its nighttime and I'm supposed to sleep, my mind is set on fire.
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Janamil]
#14201803 - 03/29/11 01:31 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I can focus on something but not stop thinking. you have to distract yourself and then you are asleep. If you try and sleep it doesn't work I just lay there and think about thinking what to think
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: cacharstar]
#14201874 - 03/29/11 01:52 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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What I have seem to been learning is there are two configurations. Two spectrums and everything is underlined in-between this. Some people see the world to fast, and some people see faster then the world. Spectrums of ADD -> ADHD. Alzheimers(extreme) -> Autism(Extreme).
Weve been accidentally changing evolution due to our diets and many diseases have been prominent, but like anything this has been in history for a long time but things are changing fast now due to our self inflicted indirect evolutionary change. Even if it doesn't show in your generation, it may show through your kids. A deficiency in the parent seems to equals an over-exaggeration in the offspring.
What is important is understanding what spectrum you fall under, Once you understand what type of person you are you may better yourself.
ADHD To fast of a personality (Talks before thinking) World coming at them fast To little "On" in every system in the body Usually extroverted Usually not very clumsy, or overly clumsy. Normally its not clumsy but sometimes people can have different ratios of configurations between mind and body, Eg increased sensitivity to a nicotinic receptor, or overproduction due to some underlining mechanism in one part but not another. Or it could be the building blocks that break it down, Weed inhibits this.
Weed is kind of a marvelous drug, From what I understand (My own research, question everything I say). Weed is a type anti-anit-neuromodulator. So by taking out the building blocks of the anti-neourmodulator it allows the brain to compensate in the easiest way. This can go both ways, helping both Spectrums.
ADD To much ON Daydreamer To slow of a personality. (Eg think before do, usually not fast enough) Easier to be introverted Clusmyness is usual. Sometimes configurations cross both lines, especially when you are talking about mind vs body. Unfortunately, it seems like the ADD type that is not very clumsy has problems with the mind and not the body, it did not start from the beginning. It seems to be linked to schizophrenia.
Think of everything you do, Why do you do it? Did anything cause a change overtime through your psychological collective consciousness? E.g. A small child being abused and being scared for life.
What is the reason, How do you better it based on the specific real reason?
Everything has a reason for being, including psychology. Find the real reasons rather then getting frustrated over the outcome.
Seems like everything in logic is backwards, everything is something it does not seem to be. It is the way life is I guess, or it is the way we see life.
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Janamil]
#14201881 - 03/29/11 01:55 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Meditation is a practice for a lifetime. You cannot "master" meditation; you must keep working at it.
I've heard lots of people say they've gotten so good at meditation that they do it without meaning to every moment of their lives. At this assertion, I .
I'm sure most of us here have "stopped thinking" at some point, either voluntarily or involuntarily. We all experience that reprieve from the responsibilities imposed by our ego from time to time.
I'm certainly not averse to the idea that some pharmacological/neurological solution will arise to solve the problem of evil and free us from ourselves once and for all, but until that happens (and I'm working on it, believe you me), we've all got ourselves to worry about. Meditation is the key, not faddish psychopharmacology.
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Tchan909 said: Meditation is a practice for a lifetime. You cannot "master" meditation; you must keep working at it.
I've heard lots of people say they've gotten so good at meditation that they do it without meaning to every moment of their lives. At this assertion, I .
I'm sure most of us here have "stopped thinking" at some point, either voluntarily or involuntarily. We all experience that reprieve from the responsibilities imposed by our ego from time to time.
I'm certainly not averse to the idea that some pharmacological/neurological solution will arise to solve the problem of evil and free us from ourselves once and for all, but until that happens (and I'm working on it, believe you me), we've all got ourselves to worry about. Meditation is the key, not faddish psychopharmacology.
Psychology, Neurology, Biology is different in everyone. Your vision, your sight, all of your senses might be slightly different then the person next to you. Actually, its almost guaranteed.
The human condition disallows perspectives outside of your own without very hard work, or insanity.
Its quite hard to see how everyone relates to you, and how you relate to everyone else. Pretend we are a different specie in every person, because that is what we are. Every genetic, every change in chemical, changes everything about you.
Sure meditation has more intellectual and spiritual understanding but believing there are not people with neurological problems with an easy solution only stopped by our ignorance is well ignorance. Its quite common, just as we understand depression is not fully psychosomatic. At least I hope you believe that.
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Janamil]
#14201926 - 03/29/11 02:05 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I disagree that the human condition allows perspectives outside of your own, even with very hard work and/or insanity.
Sorry Jan, but you're stuck in that wacky head of yours for the time being, no matter what lengths you may put yourself through to escape it. Any escape you may experience is temporary and fleeting. I think that's why most of us around here love DMT so much.
I know full well people have head problems. Hell, I've got plenty of head problems of my own, believe it or not. The fact that I can type out concise, well-ordered posts should not be taken as an indication of sanity or emotional balance.
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Tchan909 said: I disagree that the human condition allows perspectives outside of your own, even with very hard work and/or insanity.
Sorry Jan, but you're stuck in that wacky head of yours for the time being.
I know full well people have head problems. Hell, I've got plenty of head problems of my own, believe it or not. The fact that I can type out concise, well-ordered posts should not be taken as an indication of sanity or emotional balance.
I am right now, currently fine. It is keeping this state of mind that has become troublesome. Trust me when I say I have fixed my brain in this state, I have achieved CNS balance. I can fall back on my left brain, yet have complete abstract thinking when needed. Almost like a switch. I have complete control over my emotions. Hell I have proper emotions now, Emotional means really fuck up with neurological disorders connected to the CNS. Not only that, I feel lighter my muscles work correctly, my joints are not blocky, ect.
It is ignorance to believe this will never be achieved, Especially soon. We are understanding more and more by the day. We evolve by the year in technology now, not the decade. I have complete peace right now, No anxiety, ability to listen to my surroundings. I have literally hit balance, It is not impossible. It is just very hard. Really, if I can keep this state I will be happy and I know many people would want to hit this state.
I guess I wasn't very clear, of course I can type this out differently now but everything is gone. I even had Shitty feelings, pressure all over my body and that is gone. I'm still working on a theory, I believe it has to do with CSF. Believe it or not, it is possible to somewhat control the brain in extremes. Its just understanding these extremes and what causes them and then bringing practical outcomes is what is hard. We are far in halfway there.
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Re: Can you stop thinking? [Re: Damkina]
#14201954 - 03/29/11 02:12 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Tchan909 said: I've heard lots of people say they've gotten so good at meditation that they do it without meaning to every moment of their lives. At this assertion, I .
maybe they just meant they were better able to bring their meditation practice to their daily lives and living in the moment much better.
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Damkina said: Silenting that inner `chat` is quite a challange. Can do it for certain periods of time,like 1-2 hours,yet 24/7 is impossible for me yet. Still on the path
how did you get to that, just lots of meditation?
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