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"Life is a gift."
    #14201097 - 03/28/11 11:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I hear it all the time.  What are your thoughts on this statement?

"Life is a gift."


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Re: "Life is a gift." *DELETED* [Re: Society]
    #14201103 - 03/28/11 11:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: "Life is a gift." [Re: mikehauncho] * 1
    #14201130 - 03/28/11 11:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

most people seem to have been expecting something bigger and better and more shiny.


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Re: "Life is a gift." [Re: mikehauncho]
    #14201137 - 03/28/11 11:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i suppose it is a "gift"

you dont ask for it, u dont deserve it or earn it, you have no control over who gives you what, and your stuck with it cause the people who gave you it think its the best thing ever...

sounds like a gift to me?


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Re: "Life is a gift." [Re: Society]
    #14201176 - 03/28/11 11:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

A gift is necessarily given.  I dont believe life was given to me.


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Re: "Life is a gift." [Re: DieCommie]
    #14201195 - 03/28/11 11:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Life isn't anything in particular.


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Re: "Life is a gift." [Re: DieCommie]
    #14201198 - 03/28/11 11:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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DieCommie said:
A gift is necessarily given.  I dont believe life was given to me.




lol.. did u take it from someone else then?






are u cthulhu?

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Re: "Life is a gift." [Re: stranger_danger]
    #14201229 - 03/28/11 11:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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did u take it from someone else then?




Nope.  It was neither given nor taken.


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Re: "Life is a gift." [Re: DieCommie]
    #14201233 - 03/28/11 11:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

soooooo.. ur a zombie then? :Awemazing:


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Re: "Life is a gift." [Re: stranger_danger]
    #14201265 - 03/28/11 11:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

No.  Why do you think life is something that must be given or taken?  Why can it not just arise and be on its own?


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Re: "Life is a gift." [Re: DieCommie]
    #14201274 - 03/28/11 11:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:aweman: fine


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Re: "Life is a gift." [Re: Society]
    #14201381 - 03/28/11 11:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Life isn't a gift, nor is it a right. Life is a privilege.


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Re: "Life is a gift." [Re: meatcakeman]
    #14201748 - 03/29/11 01:18 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

life is a gift is rehab bullshit to make you feel special and worthwhile.


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Re: "Life is a gift." [Re: DieCommie]
    #14201760 - 03/29/11 01:20 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

No, it's just a thang.  Definitely not a privilege, and not a gift for this reason:

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A gift is necessarily given.  I dont believe life was given to me.




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Re: "Life is a gift." [Re: Shroomerette] * 1
    #14201767 - 03/29/11 01:22 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

life is just a result of my dad busting a nut in my mom...


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Re: "Life is a gift." [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #14201827 - 03/29/11 01:37 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

ER..

eh?


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Re: "Life is a gift." [Re: Fisherman]
    #14201834 - 03/29/11 01:39 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

AND KIIEF IS FAR FROM A GIFT.


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Re: "Life is a gift." [Re: DieCommie]
    #14201971 - 03/29/11 02:15 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

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No.  Why do you think life is something that must be given or taken?  Why can it not just arise and be on its own?




no, nothing arises on its own physically. something had to have given life, whether it be an electrical current or something greater. it doesn't necessarily have to mean it was purposeful, or intentional.


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Re: "Life is a gift." [Re: meatcakeman]
    #14203229 - 03/29/11 11:23 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

If life is a gift, does that make people who have abortions Indian Givers?

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Cognitive_Shift said:
life is a gift is rehab bullshit to make you feel special and worthwhile.




Pretty much how I feel- minus the rehab thing.  Life isn't a fucking "gift" or a privilege.  It simply is.

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Life isn't a gift, nor is it a right. Life is a privilege.




How?  I'll bet there are a lot of people who suffer immensely on a daily basis who feel otherwise.


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Re: "Life is a gift." [Re: Society]
    #14203470 - 03/29/11 12:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

According to Johan Robeck (1672–1739) who wrote an essay allowing suicide from a theological point of view, it is a gift. Especially after he himself committed suicide by drowning in the river Wesser nearby Bremen, Germany.

Robeck's argument is based upon the idea of life as a gift, given by God, who therefore gave up for his rights in the gift. Anyone can destroy a gift, according to Robeck's argument - and therefore, suicide is legitimate.


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Re: "Life is a gift." [Re: meatcakeman]
    #14204022 - 03/29/11 02:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

DieCommie said:
No.  Why do you think life is something that must be given or taken?  Why can it not just arise and be on its own?




no, nothing arises on its own physically. something had to have given life, whether it be an electrical current or something greater. it doesn't necessarily have to mean it was purposeful, or intentional.




Electrical current cant give life because it doesn't have any life to give.  Things can arise on their own physically.  Water has a physical property of wetness, nothing 'gave it' that wetness - it arises on its own.


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Re: "Life is a gift." [Re: DieCommie]
    #14204049 - 03/29/11 02:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Quote:

meatcakeman said:
Quote:

DieCommie said:
No.  Why do you think life is something that must be given or taken?  Why can it not just arise and be on its own?




no, nothing arises on its own physically. something had to have given life, whether it be an electrical current or something greater. it doesn't necessarily have to mean it was purposeful, or intentional.




Electrical current cant give life because it doesn't have any life to give.  Things can arise on their own physically.  Water has a physical property of wetness, nothing 'gave it' that wetness - it arises on its own.




well electricity is what modern science claims to be the final spark to giving life to our primordial soup.
if you really want to break it down to science, everything comes from something. nothing just happens. hence the whole big bang theory.

and how is water's wetness analogous at all to life being given?


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Re: "Life is a gift." [Re: Society]
    #14204068 - 03/29/11 02:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Quote:

meatcakeman said:
Life isn't a gift, nor is it a right. Life is a privilege.




How?  I'll bet there are a lot of people who suffer immensely on a daily basis who feel otherwise.




exactly. a privilege isn't a right. thus, it is conditional based upon competency and worthiness. like in the wild, if you can't fend for yourself, you shall die. such should be the case of life. if you can't utilize it, you will suffer. this is often biased based upon where you grew up and what economic status you were born into. but life isn't exactly fair though, is it?


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Re: "Life is a gift." [Re: meatcakeman]
    #14204082 - 03/29/11 02:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Wetness is a property that arises on its own.  Nothing transfered wetness to water, and if you freeze water that wetness doesnt go anywhere - it just disappears.  Unlike properties such as energy and momentum which do have to come from somewhere and cant just disappear.  These types of properties are dubbed 'conserved'.  Many properties are not conserved, wetness is not conserved and life is not conserved.  They dont have to come from anywhere and they dont have to go to anywhere. 

Life is not a gift in the same sense that wetness is not a gift.  It didnt come from anywhere and when it disappears its simply gone, it doesnt go anywhere.


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Re: "Life is a gift." [Re: DieCommie]
    #14204103 - 03/29/11 02:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

okay now that is completely dependent on your views about the concept of "giving." sure, wetness doesn't necessarily come from somewhere, but it can be explained by science. so, in my eyes, it has a point of conception. the reason to its wetness becomes the reason to why such a property exists. thus, its existence was "given" by that property of physics.

that's my point: nothing arises from nothing. something arises from something.


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Re: "Life is a gift." [Re: meatcakeman]
    #14204126 - 03/29/11 02:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

that's my point: nothing arises from nothing. something arises from something.




How do you know that?  Thats just a mystical assumption that flies against scientific theories.


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Re: "Life is a gift." [Re: DieCommie]
    #14204167 - 03/29/11 02:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

His hypothesis arose from nothing. :shrug:


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Re: "Life is a gift." [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14204253 - 03/29/11 03:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

zing


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