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Re: "Life is a gift." [Re: meatcakeman]
    #14204022 - 03/29/11 02:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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No.  Why do you think life is something that must be given or taken?  Why can it not just arise and be on its own?




no, nothing arises on its own physically. something had to have given life, whether it be an electrical current or something greater. it doesn't necessarily have to mean it was purposeful, or intentional.




Electrical current cant give life because it doesn't have any life to give.  Things can arise on their own physically.  Water has a physical property of wetness, nothing 'gave it' that wetness - it arises on its own.


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Re: "Life is a gift." [Re: DieCommie]
    #14204049 - 03/29/11 02:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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No.  Why do you think life is something that must be given or taken?  Why can it not just arise and be on its own?




no, nothing arises on its own physically. something had to have given life, whether it be an electrical current or something greater. it doesn't necessarily have to mean it was purposeful, or intentional.




Electrical current cant give life because it doesn't have any life to give.  Things can arise on their own physically.  Water has a physical property of wetness, nothing 'gave it' that wetness - it arises on its own.




well electricity is what modern science claims to be the final spark to giving life to our primordial soup.
if you really want to break it down to science, everything comes from something. nothing just happens. hence the whole big bang theory.

and how is water's wetness analogous at all to life being given?


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Re: "Life is a gift." [Re: Society]
    #14204068 - 03/29/11 02:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Life isn't a gift, nor is it a right. Life is a privilege.




How?  I'll bet there are a lot of people who suffer immensely on a daily basis who feel otherwise.




exactly. a privilege isn't a right. thus, it is conditional based upon competency and worthiness. like in the wild, if you can't fend for yourself, you shall die. such should be the case of life. if you can't utilize it, you will suffer. this is often biased based upon where you grew up and what economic status you were born into. but life isn't exactly fair though, is it?


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Re: "Life is a gift." [Re: meatcakeman]
    #14204082 - 03/29/11 02:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Wetness is a property that arises on its own.  Nothing transfered wetness to water, and if you freeze water that wetness doesnt go anywhere - it just disappears.  Unlike properties such as energy and momentum which do have to come from somewhere and cant just disappear.  These types of properties are dubbed 'conserved'.  Many properties are not conserved, wetness is not conserved and life is not conserved.  They dont have to come from anywhere and they dont have to go to anywhere. 

Life is not a gift in the same sense that wetness is not a gift.  It didnt come from anywhere and when it disappears its simply gone, it doesnt go anywhere.


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Re: "Life is a gift." [Re: DieCommie]
    #14204103 - 03/29/11 02:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

okay now that is completely dependent on your views about the concept of "giving." sure, wetness doesn't necessarily come from somewhere, but it can be explained by science. so, in my eyes, it has a point of conception. the reason to its wetness becomes the reason to why such a property exists. thus, its existence was "given" by that property of physics.

that's my point: nothing arises from nothing. something arises from something.


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Re: "Life is a gift." [Re: meatcakeman]
    #14204126 - 03/29/11 02:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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that's my point: nothing arises from nothing. something arises from something.




How do you know that?  Thats just a mystical assumption that flies against scientific theories.


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Re: "Life is a gift." [Re: DieCommie]
    #14204167 - 03/29/11 02:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

His hypothesis arose from nothing. :shrug:


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Re: "Life is a gift." [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14204253 - 03/29/11 03:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

zing


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