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InvisibleDieCommie

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Re: Nihilism is bullshit, unless you're dead. [Re: 4896744]
    #14214653 - 03/31/11 12:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Also, science is not objective, as much as it tries to be so. It is impossible for observers to entirely remove themselves from the experiment; the very act of measurement changes the experiment.




How does the second sentence here substantiate the first?  I dont think it does.

The act of measuring doesn't change the experiment, the act of measuring is the experiment.  "Unperformed experiments have no results."


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Re: Nihilism is bullshit, unless you're dead. [Re: DieCommie]
    #14214662 - 03/31/11 12:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The experiment itself is 100% objective but the interpretation can't be. So the laws are true but what you theoretically make of them isn't necessarily.


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Re: Nihilism is bullshit, unless you're dead. [Re: DieCommie]
    #14219964 - 04/01/11 10:34 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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DieCommie said:
How does the second sentence here substantiate the first?  I dont think it does.

The act of measuring doesn't change the experiment, the act of measuring is the experiment.  "Unperformed experiments have no results."



It depends on what we mean when we say "objective." If you mean that the results of experiments are consistent, repeatable, and applicable to our experience, I would agree. But when I say "objective" I mean it in its literal form, of "independent from the subject." Science can't be objective in this sense, because it is impossible for science to be conducted independently of perceiving subjects who apply their own intuitions and belief systems.


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