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Where to draw the line?
    #14200370 - 03/28/11 09:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

So, ever since I shroomed some time ago, I havebeen experimenting 2c-b, shrooms,lsd, and mescaline
Almost everybody on this forum has been there
But where do you think it is appropriate to stop with "self exploration"?
I hear of people on this shroomery mention dxm, n20, opium, coke, ecstasy etc.
I can imagine years from now, my son asking me about my drug use at his age(early twenties?), and me responding with acid, mushrooms, peyote, and herb, and how I discovered myself, and how to responsibly use them. however i couldn't say the same about coke
But I think that certain substances produce nothing but addiction, short-term euphoria, and long-term regret
I am all for learning and experimenting, but coke and opium are plain bad, and to my knowledge, have not helped anybody learn about anything(right?)

About a month ago, after much thought, I ate my first molly(2 in one night), and enjoyed it, but somewhat regretted it after thinking about the long term seretonin damage, and the depression. however, I did learn alot bout "bliss", and "love", but only in the material world(im trying my best to explain myself)
I have been offered many different substances by friends, but have declined to most of them. What have you guys done/enjoyed and done/had no long term benefit?


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Re: Where to draw the line? [Re: topdog82] * 1
    #14200442 - 03/28/11 09:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Personally I stay away from the addictive ones such as opiates, meth, and coke. I love mdma, LSD, shrooms, dmt, weed, all that stuff. The problem is I know I'd like those first ones to much and prefer to not find out how good they are as I could see myself blowing a lot of money on them without much good coming from it.

I do see benefits to mdma and I don't find it addictive simply because abusing it means you will quickly lose the magic and I don't have a problem waiting awhile between each experience. N2o is good to in moderation.


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Re: Where to draw the line? [Re: Mycjunky]
    #14200540 - 03/28/11 09:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Don't be afraid of MDMA. It's natural to have those fears after your first experience, but that is actually a good thing.

Treat it (like all chemicals) with proper respect. MDMA is not something to be used on a weekly (or even monthly) basis.

Personally, I do not view MDMA as a harmful drug when used in moderation. I have experimented with many substances, and found my own boundaries. For example, I will never touch methamphetamine again, it is a horribly destructive drug.

Good ol' cannabis, on the other hand, is a wonderfully medicinal and beneficial herb.

Every psychonaut must find his/her own limits and laws.


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Re: Where to draw the line? [Re: Mycjunky]
    #14200580 - 03/28/11 09:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I've done cocaine a few times... opiates can be enjoyable occasionally. I also enjoy alcohol, weed, tobacco, and caffiene in moderation. They are what they are... cheap pleasures, but as long as you're aware of that and don't over induldge I don't see it as a huge deal.

Drugs don't have to be about "learning" anything, and quite honestly most of what people think they "learn" from psychedelics is bullshit to begin with. Don't get me wrong, mushrooms have benifitted my life greatly and are by far my favorite drug- but I also like to indulge in cheap pleasures now and then as well, I'm not an addict, I have no regret, i'm in good health, and generally pretty successful.

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Re: Where to draw the line? [Re: topdog82]
    #14200835 - 03/28/11 10:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Where to draw the line?

That's only something you can answer.

You know your own limits, and have your own beliefs. you seem to be a responsible drug user but and would like to stay that way, so draw the line anywhere that you feel could make you stray.

Personally I think with the right mindset it's possible to experience even the most addictive of substances and still not get addicted. Before you do this though, ask yourself: what will this drug "mimic" from reality.

Take heroin for example (opiates). They put you in the most euphoric/relaxed state that a person is able to be in, they make you dream (nod). Why? this is the body's ultimate reward for doing things right. The brain gives you dopamine for achieving things in life - so rather than take heroin, accomplish some goals you have set for yourself and get the natural reward. Just knowing that you could have taken the easy road (heroin) but decided to tough it out and do it on your own will make the reward that much more special.

Same goes for E. What does E give you, energy? love? bliss? Go to a rave and take in the mood, feel the emotions running out of people and experience this high without ever touching E.

All addictive substances really do is give you something that is normally hard to achieve easily. Make it your mission in life to feel this way naturally - then it is yours forever.


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Re: Where to draw the line? [Re: Dawks]
    #14201355 - 03/28/11 11:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I've tried a lot of shit, and will probably try new stuff if given the chance.

But what I prefer to stick to is: cannabis, shrooms, LSD, mescaline, DMT, and infrequently MDMA.

I've tried a few RC's (5-MEO-DMT, 2C-I, 2C-B) and really just don't feel comfortable doing lots of chems. I mean, if someone were to offer me 2C-E I would definitely try it once or twice. But not much more than that.

I've done a lot of experimentation, and I think I've found what works for me.

As for MDMA. It's totally safe and good if you're getting pure shit, and if you don't use it irresponsibly. Don't spend a whole weekend on it, or do it every weekend... just do it infrequently, and take a good sized dose so you get your rocks off, and then call it quits for a while. Also, taking lots of anti-oxidants can reduce the damage caused by free radicals to your seratonin receptors when MDMA metabolizes. This damage isn't permanent anyways unless you do it every weekend like a crunchy raver kid. But it still will help you avoid the depression the next day.

Cocaine sucks, but if you put a line in front of me I'll probably do it. I'm not going to PAY for coke, but I'll enjoy a line if it's offered.

Opium is pretty cool, but definitely addicting. Not something I would make a habit of, but would probably do on special occasions.

I would NEVER try PCP.

I might try meth if it was super pure shit. But only as an experiment.

I stay really far away from pharms like xanax, oxycontins, etc unless I am in pain or something.

Really though, sticking with the naturals is the best way to go. Cannabis, shrooms, mescaline. You really can't go wrong with those gifts from Mother Earth!


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Re: Where to draw the line? [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
    #14201398 - 03/28/11 11:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I might try meth if it was super pure shit. But only as an experiment.




If I could save one soul from this experiment, I would....

Please for me, don't do it! From personal experience! :frown:

EDIT: Otherwise, your post is spot-on in agreement with my views!


Edited by ComaDivine (03/28/11 11:49 PM)


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Re: Where to draw the line? [Re: ComaDivine]
    #14201421 - 03/28/11 11:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

haha! I'm definitely not planning on doing meth. But I'm honestly just kind of curious as to what it's like. I kinda did like stuff like adderal or ritalin, getting all hyped up and doing my homework or cleaning my house.

But stimulants/amphetamines are just not my thing. I love weed and I love tripping. I would be more worried about getting myself addicted to opium because I like to feel relaxed and mellow.


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Re: Where to draw the line? [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
    #14201433 - 03/28/11 11:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I DID smoke crack a few times. That shit is FUCKED UP!!! so fucking addicting! But man it gets you super fucking high! The crash is just not worth it though. Plus it's so fucking expensive.


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Re: Where to draw the line? [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
    #14201448 - 03/29/11 12:00 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Here's how to draw the limits: when are the negative aspects greater than the positive aspects?


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Re: Where to draw the line? [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble] * 1
    #14201490 - 03/29/11 12:13 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I take what I can produce myself. That's where I draw the line.


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Re: Where to draw the line? [Re: thormaxim]
    #14201799 - 03/29/11 01:30 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You grow your own tea/coffee…? :wink:

Just kidding, but valid question though.


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Re: Where to draw the line? [Re: topdog82]
    #14201825 - 03/29/11 01:37 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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topdog82 said:
So, ever since I shroomed some time ago, I havebeen experimenting 2c-b, shrooms,lsd, and mescaline
Almost everybody on this forum has been there
But where do you think it is appropriate to stop with "self exploration"?
I hear of people on this shroomery mention dxm, n20, opium, coke, ecstasy etc.
I can imagine years from now, my son asking me about my drug use at his age(early twenties?), and me responding with acid, mushrooms, peyote, and herb, and how I discovered myself, and how to responsibly use them. however i couldn't say the same about coke
But I think that certain substances produce nothing but addiction, short-term euphoria, and long-term regret
I am all for learning and experimenting, but coke and opium are plain bad, and to my knowledge, have not helped anybody learn about anything(right?)

About a month ago, after much thought, I ate my first molly(2 in one night), and enjoyed it, but somewhat regretted it after thinking about the long term seretonin damage, and the depression. however, I did learn alot bout "bliss", and "love", but only in the material world(im trying my best to explain myself)
I have been offered many different substances by friends, but have declined to most of them. What have you guys done/enjoyed and done/had no long term benefit?





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Re: Where to draw the line? [Re: timelapses]
    #14201837 - 03/29/11 01:40 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'm at weed, LSA, LSD, shrooms, and DXM. I'm looking into salvia, would do mescaline, and I'm pretty sure my friends want to do devil's ether too. I'm down for everything once, but general things that cause long term effects I stay away from.

Moderation is key.


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Re: Where to draw the line? [Re: NoBrainNoPain]
    #14201947 - 03/29/11 02:11 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

NoBrainNoPain said:
You grow your own tea/coffee…? :wink:

Just kidding, but valid question though.




Of course not. You know what I mean, I know what you mean  :rockon:


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Re: Where to draw the line? [Re: Joolz]
    #14201964 - 03/29/11 02:14 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i draw the line and heroin and meth


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Re: Where to draw the line? [Re: topdog82]
    #14201967 - 03/29/11 02:14 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

the line is different for each person.

i am currently watching a few of my friends turn into junkies.

its obvious who will kick it one day and who will be one for life.

i won't touch the stuff. ever.

my line is not your line.






know thy self.


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Re: Where to draw the line? [Re: k00laid]
    #14202319 - 03/29/11 05:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I wonder how many time people on this thread have redrawn their lines.  You know, back when taking that first puff of weed - I just want to try it, it'll never be a daily or even weekly thing.  Many probably thought shrooms and LSD were harder drugs not to be fucked with.  And then gradually with the help of friends and forums, their seriousness fades and soon these drugs become part of the repertoire.  I think its a gradual process where people imperceptibly move to increased usage and other drugs.  Taking drugs responsibly is a tricky bitch.


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Re: Where to draw the line? [Re: k00laid]
    #14202609 - 03/29/11 07:55 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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k00laid said:
the line is different for each person.

i am currently watching a few of my friends turn into junkies.

its obvious who will kick it one day and who will be one for life.

i won't touch the stuff. ever.

my line is not your line.






know thy self.





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Re: Where to draw the line? [Re: esquaredx]
    #14203078 - 03/29/11 10:48 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i changed my mind, i draw the line at needles.

when you are trading pain for a high then its gone too far.

and not just needles, trading pain in anyway


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