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EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do?
    #14198369 - 03/28/11 03:08 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Hows it going,

I originally had (4) 4 quart bags of spawned compost colonizing.


A week ago 2 of the bags were completely colonized so I transfered 1 of the bags into plastic containers and put the in the FC to recolonize and fruit.



I forgot about the others until today. When I took a look at them today they all showed pins, some bigger/ more plentiful than others.

I really wanted to transfer all the the bags into plastic containers in order to maximize my surface area, maximizing my yield.  Now I think it might be too late to transfer the bags into plastic containers (since I mix the contents of the bags up when transferring them).

Please let me know what you guys would do in this situation with each of the 3 bags (if you were trying to maximize yield).

Thanks in advance for all the help and knowledge!

Here are the 3 bags,

BAG 1 (is fully colonized and only has 1 or 2 pins)-




BAG 2 (is partially colonized but has a bunch of pins)-



BAG 3 (is partially colonized but has a bunch of pins)-


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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: zebracakes]
    #14199833 - 03/28/11 07:57 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

anyone?

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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: zebracakes]
    #14200026 - 03/28/11 08:26 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

did you knead at 20-30%? i would spawn the first one anyways just grind up the pins or take them out

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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: zebracakes]
    #14200042 - 03/28/11 08:27 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Spawn them?

I dunno. That unfinished one looks weird.


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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: Doc_T]
    #14200072 - 03/28/11 08:32 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

yeah i agree. but the first one is fully colonized and has few pins...give the others more time? maybe theyre fighting bacteria :shrug:

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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: damnyoumongorians]
    #14200178 - 03/28/11 08:44 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I didn't knead them at 20-30%.

I'll break up and transfer bag #1 in plastic containers tomorrow so that it can recolonize and fruit.

As for bag 2 and 3, they has a bunch of pins but are not 100% colonized.

Should I open the bags, pull the pins out, and knead it up for it to recolonize?  Once its recolonized I can break it up again and transfer it to the fruiting chamber to recolonize again and fruit..

Does that sound like a smart idea for bag 2 and 3?

Or maybe I should just open the bags, pull the pins, knead/mix up and transfer straight to plastic trays and put in FC to recolonize and fruit?

Any help is much appreciated!  Thanks again

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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: zebracakes]
    #14200212 - 03/28/11 08:48 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

nah dont open them. just one another chance for contams. just knead the bags now i guess. the pins can get torn off, the myc should kinda recycle the mushrooms and recolonize them

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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: damnyoumongorians]
    #14200222 - 03/28/11 08:49 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

then wait for full colonization and spawn to w.e you wanted to or put it in your FC.

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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: damnyoumongorians]
    #14200234 - 03/28/11 08:51 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

alright sounds good, once the mushrooms get ripped apart and torn off the myc wouldn't they rot in the center of the mass (or wherever they ended up landing)?

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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: zebracakes]
    #14200261 - 03/28/11 08:54 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I guess my question would be,, why did they start pinning. Where were they while colonizing? How long, What temp? What light or dark?

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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: mabachko]
    #14200302 - 03/28/11 08:59 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, its weird, bag 2 is like 90% but bag 3 is around 80% i'd say

The bags were mixed at the beginning of the month (March 3rd) and I was away for a majority of the time (till last week).

They were in indirect sunlight at room temp.  I'm guessing the lighting is what triggered the pins but I heard some light is suppose to speed up colonization.

Anyway, hope someone knows what to do in this situation.  It must have happened to someone else in the past?

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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: damnyoumongorians]
    #14200321 - 03/28/11 09:01 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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nah dont open them. just one another chance for contams. just knead the bags now i guess. the pins can get torn off, the myc should kinda recycle the mushrooms and recolonize them





they some how get back into the myc  network. they get back absorbed into the system if you will.

and idk mabachko, but sometimes they do that. just like jars, bags pin early sometimes too, i figure.


and yes its happened to me before with brf jars that i used to spawn to coir. i just grinded the pins and cake them spawned it. had no problems.

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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: damnyoumongorians]
    #14200398 - 03/28/11 09:11 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Cool, i guess thats the verdict unless someone else has other ideas.

I'll probably do it in an hour or two before I go to bed, i'm open to other ideas in the meantime.

thanks again damnyoumongorians for the tips

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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: zebracakes]
    #14200404 - 03/28/11 09:12 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

no problem im happy to help if you need anything else.

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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: damnyoumongorians]
    #14200426 - 03/28/11 09:16 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

why not eat the pins?

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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: mabachko]
    #14200516 - 03/28/11 09:27 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

cuz it might not be enough to trip?...i mean you can but if you open the bag you might introduce contams so to be safe id leave them in there...a few pins arent worth the risk.

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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: damnyoumongorians]
    #14200553 - 03/28/11 09:32 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

yeah exactly, i'm not trying to open the bags until they're 100% colonized

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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: zebracakes]
    #14200668 - 03/28/11 09:49 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Makes sense to me to now that you brought it to light. Right on

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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: mabachko]
    #14200857 - 03/28/11 10:27 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

yup

any last second opinions?

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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: zebracakes]
    #14201043 - 03/28/11 10:58 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I crumbled bag 1 and bag 3. here is a picture of bag 3,




It looks like there are a lot more pins then I thought in bag #2, is the best bet still to crumble it?

here are pictures of bag 2, (before kneading)


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