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The Biological Function of Endogenous Penis
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10 characters
Seriously.
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: NikoK]
#14199144 - 03/28/11 06:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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This was written after an experience both my girlfriend Margaret Falvo and I, Niko 3.33g of mushrooms, with the realization that Terrence had sent me his message to share with the rest of the world
Yeah man, drugs are intense. But they're drugs, most people take them so they can believe some wacked out shit for a few hours. Once sober though, one should check them self...
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: Tropism]
#14199161 - 03/28/11 06:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Our society has labelled these entheogenic plants as drugs. Though I never use psychedelics in a recreational manner. Always asking for growth and knowledge.
You seeing mushrooms as a drug denotes you probably don't have the mental cognizance to derive importance from this thesis.
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: NikoK]
#14199188 - 03/28/11 06:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't know why you keep repeating your address but I live like 5 minutes from you lol. I'll have to finish reading your theory tomorrow because my eyes are itching for sleep right now. I actually know a guy named Niko but last time I checked he lived off the far side of lakeport road.
REALLY weird here though and I kid you not I just remembered a dream where I ran into Niko and he lived on St. Paul street.. The dream got pretty bizarre after that and didn't really revolve around him though but that's REALLY weird man. I'll check back in tomorrow.
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: Midnight_Toker]
#14199208 - 03/28/11 06:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Definitely the same Niko that is amazingly weird. I moved onto St Paul St almost two months ago..
Let the thought process continue its exponential growth...
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: NikoK]
#14199219 - 03/28/11 06:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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What was the name of the school/program you went to on Queenston street a few years back?
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: Midnight_Toker]
#14199232 - 03/28/11 06:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Whats up John I know your mustang anywhere
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: NikoK]
#14199236 - 03/28/11 06:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Lmfao that's so awesome dude I'm gonna PM you my msn!
Edit: OK you aren't accepting PMs so I'll finish reading your theory and catch up with you tomorrow. Have a good one dude.
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: NikoK]
#14199291 - 03/28/11 06:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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NikoK said: Our society has labelled these entheogenic plants as drugs. Though I never use psychedelics in a recreational manner. Always asking for growth and knowledge.
You seeing mushrooms as a drug denotes you probably don't have the mental cognizance to derive importance from this thesis.

Entheogenic plants are drugs because that is the category they logically fall under. They certainly aren't useful for sustenance if you try and eat them as food...
When googling what defines a drug, one of the first three responses is...
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A drug, broadly speaking, is any substance that, when absorbed into the body of a living organism, alters normal bodily function.
Have you heard of Google? It's the shit.
I don't think your post is suited to this forum. Try this one.
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: NikoK]
#14199304 - 03/28/11 06:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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NikoK said: Our society has labelled these entheogenic plants as drugs. Though I never use psychedelics in a recreational manner. Always asking for growth and knowledge.
You seeing mushrooms as a drug denotes you probably don't have the mental cognizance to derive importance from this thesis.
okay, so what special top-secret definition of "drug" are you using? When you're changing words arbitraril for emotional appeal, its always helpful to clue others in before proceding to use them in conversation, as.... there's no communication if we don't know what you're saying.
By definition psychadelic mushrooms surely are drugs. I fail to see whether you attribute their utility to recreation or spiritual insight, growth, has to do with anything. (since when do drugs not allow insight, growth?)
I'm not too familiar with it, so maybe I'm missing something, but McKenna and the stoned ape stuff always seemed a bit pointless to me. Just nice stories. You can imagine any sort of vanciful backstory to the world's phenomena, but I fail to see the utility of choosing a complicated convuluted one. There's a reason physicists define F=ma rather than F=ma+1 -1, and its because there's no point adding layers of complexity. Neither of those equations has any particular fidelity at representing the "way things really are"- they're simply useful relationships regardless of what actually goes onto make the universe tick the way it does.
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: johnm214]
#14199700 - 03/28/11 07:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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His claim is that since they are plants, they are somehow not drugs... when in fact they are plants which contain CNS active alkaloids (AKA drugs)
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#14199741 - 03/28/11 07:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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ugh, if that's true, that's just a ridiculous argument.
Seeems it is emotionally unappealing to him to have to consider whatever connotation he attaches to the word "drugs" in concert with psilocybin-containing mushrooms, so he redefines the terms to avoid confronting his emotions. What rubbish- Hiding from yourself 101- If I put this blindfold on does the world disapear? 
If your going to make up words to make yourself feel better, at least choose one that doesn't allready mean something so you don't confuse others into thinking you might actually have an idea to convey.
In other words, I've now decided I am asdflakjb, which I've decided means "best person ever, all time, forever and ever". This will help me feel better about myself
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: johnm214]
#14200131 - 03/28/11 08:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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When we compare this to the 12 pitch format of the chromatic scale and how it's tone rows are determined.
The 12 tones are arbitrary and this pretty much applies to Western music, and for that matter, relatively recent western music. There is nothing inherent about them that makes them special. I have found a few other issues in your so-called theory that don't make any sense so if I were you I'd consider addressing that.
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: NikoK]
#14498627 - 05/23/11 11:44 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well I've taken a lot of opinions and advice from several biologists and PhDs about the nature of the article and an approach to take.
http://boards.420chan.org/psy/res/444042.php
Within the thread there is a marine biologist who states he personally loves the thesis and there are others who agree as well. I think we need to take a more subjective approach to this.
It's currently under review by UNESCO, and it seems to give a great basis as to DMT's true biological function.
Thesis: http://www.chemistry2011.org/participate/ideas/show?id=289
Event: http://www.chemistry2011.org/participate/activities/show?id=1162
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: NikoK]
#14499180 - 05/23/11 01:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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NikoK said: Our society has labelled these entheogenic plants as drugs. Though I never use psychedelics in a recreational manner. Always asking for growth and knowledge.
You seeing mushrooms as a drug denotes you probably don't have the mental cognizance to derive importance from this thesis.
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: learningtofly]
#14499435 - 05/23/11 02:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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learningtofly said:
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When we compare this to the 12 pitch format of the chromatic scale and how it's tone rows are determined.
The 12 tones are arbitrary and this pretty much applies to Western music, and for that matter, relatively recent western music. There is nothing inherent about them that makes them special. I have found a few other issues in your so-called theory that don't make any sense so if I were you I'd consider addressing that.
I think the greeks were onto something though when they created 'western music theory'. For instance, anthropologists have discovered that children all over the world, regardless if their region/country that they are from incorporates western music theory or not, all children seem to hum the notes in the pentatonic scale at a very young age.
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: NikoK]
#14499632 - 05/23/11 03:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I see you have been working on your theory quite a bit man, it's pretty compelling and more solid than when you first posted it, but I'll have to read it a couple times more to make sense of the math. You need to break it down in laymen's [moreso than you've already tried to] for people like me.
You'd sure be fun to trip with though, lol. I keep hearing about you through other people, that's probably not a good thing though.. Anyway PM me any time man, I'll smoke you a J!
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Re: The Biological Function of Endogenous N,N-Dimethyltryptamine [Re: NikoK]
#14501344 - 05/23/11 09:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I don't want to rain on your parade dude, but this looks like a bunch of dog whistle nonsense. It does not follow or come together at all. Pineal gland subconscious? Where did you get that from, Descartes? It sounds like you have been reading too much McKenna.
If need something to believe in, try looking around you.
But this shit you've written here, is pure obscurity.
A person can get themselves lost in this kind of crap.
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Re: The Biological Function of Endogenous N,N-Dimethyltryptamine [Re: xFrockx]
#14501784 - 05/23/11 10:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: andrewss]
#14501789 - 05/23/11 10:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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NikoK said: Our society has labelled these entheogenic plants as drugs. Though I never use psychedelics in a recreational manner. Always asking for growth and knowledge.
You seeing mushrooms as a drug denotes you probably don't have the mental cognizance to derive importance from this thesis.

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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: 4896744]
#14580134 - 06/08/11 02:38 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm back with an update...
I've succesfully landed and already attended a meeting a Neurobiologist from St.Catharines today at lunch and she is extremely impressed with the hypothesis and would like to see me again in three weeks.
A lot of discussion is taking place in this thread
http://boards.420chan.org/chem/res/55641.php
Feel free to join. I'd like to thank everyone for producing such a negative response to me, providing me enough energy to get to the next point to raising awareness about this theory.
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: NikoK]
#14580220 - 06/08/11 02:51 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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You are full of baloney.
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: xFrockx]
#14580235 - 06/08/11 02:54 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Her name is Holly Smith and is attaining her PhD this year from Brock University in Neuroscience after 12 years.
I'm really not kidding around. Perhaps read the 420chan thread from start to finish to gain a broader understanding of what's been developing since Shroomery shot down the hypothesis so fast. The thread has been active since May 24th, and a previous thread in /psy/ was active from the start of this thread.
You will see there is a lot of legitimate scientific discussion happening, and perhaps you can find a place in it.
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#14580543 - 06/08/11 03:58 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Does she think you are cute?
Also, no such person found on google.
And please on a discussion of neuroscience please don't ever speak the sentence "I'm not kidding around here" followed by "just read the 420chan thread!" That just sounds horribly silly.
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: xFrockx]
#14581011 - 06/08/11 05:33 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm sorry google doesn't work as a student database most of the time...
I'm also sorry that within a discussion of neuroscience that those two sentences spoken one after the other cause you to feel as if what I'm saying is silly.
It's a chemistry section on an imageboard named 420chan, and the discussion of chemistry is taking place. Nothing silly about it.
Perhaps you shouldn't be so disbelieving, I will be frequently updating this thread and keeping an eye on the chem section of 420chan to reply to debates that are ongoing.
Perhaps you should call Brock University? I really don't know what to tell you in order to convince you of a truth. Only your own mind can tell you I'm lying.
EDIT: http://www.portialearning.com/about_KimMoore.htm
Holly Smith, BCaBA.
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#14581088 - 06/08/11 05:54 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Why don't you do us all a favor and not update this thread frequently with updates you read on 420chan. You aren't even discussing or provoking discussion on philosophy here. No one cares about the speculation going on at 420chan.
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: NikoK]
#14581574 - 06/08/11 07:52 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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You didn't answer my question.
Also, this woman has no experience in what you are attempting to study.
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: xFrockx]
#14581639 - 06/08/11 08:09 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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If I was a mind reader I'd say probably, she also has children who are my age.
This discussion is about psychology and fits in perfectly with the section.
This woman is receiving her PhD in NeuroScience, she is qualified to help and direct me to the appropriate faculties who she believes will also respond to me positively.
You older entities are acting in a very young way.
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: NikoK]
#14581714 - 06/08/11 08:27 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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"If I was a mind reader I'd say probably, she also has children who are my age."
Nice.
"This woman is receiving her PhD in NeuroScience, she is qualified to help and direct me to the appropriate faculties who she believes will also respond to me positively."
Are you looking for people to respond o you positively, or are you looking for the truth?
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: xFrockx]
#14581796 - 06/08/11 08:41 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm looking for people to pick apart every detail they wish to, question it, and answer those questions.
Empirical evidence only goes so far, and so does rational evidence. We need a large, conscious, group discussion about DMT, it's function, and it's neurological role by those who truly grasp the topics at hand.
I'm not looking for a positive response from people, I've got it from this neuroscientist and if I ignore the internet and continue the path, I'll be studying for my PhD shortly.
I just want to raise awareness, and get people talking. Good or bad.
I want the truth. Like everyone else.
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: NikoK]
#14581848 - 06/08/11 08:53 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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"I'm looking for people to pick apart every detail they wish to, question it, and answer those questions."
Why put this work on other people when you could easily do it yourself? You could learn a lot from doing it. Just look at how much of it you don't know for sure, then look at what it would take to find that out, but most importantly, what it would mean to find it out, and how it would be used.
I've looked at what you've written and honestly it would take me a long time to go through it line by line and it would be largely something you could do yourself if you could step back a bit and look at all this a little less personally. Even if what you say says anything about reality, its still not yours, its not special, and you are still mortal and easily forgotten.
I used to write sprawling texts myself in a vain attempt to create a document that could enlighten people, or so that I could find out how my own mind worked enough to do something with that information. All I really discovered is that I have no idea of what enlightenment really is and I could not find nor find the need for believing in the concept of mind.
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: xFrockx]
#14581953 - 06/08/11 09:10 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Which is why I've met and will continue to meet this neuroscientist, to revise my thoughts and give them a goal.
I plan to attain my PhD in Neuroscience and continue my studies further.
A pseudoscientific approach is always the first approach, as no new approach can truly be scientific if it is genuinely inspired. Though it isn't to say that this approach will not contain scientific fact. Learning transcends science.
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Before any theory is proven, it's pseudo scientific.
End of Story.
Time Gravity Density E=MC2
These are all great examples of ideas that turned into science.
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: NikoK]
#14583537 - 06/09/11 05:48 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Double post I've mistaken her last name.
Holly May is the PhD candidate I spoke with yesterday.
This has taken hold on the Joe Rogan forum and I appreciate if you would post there.
http://forums.joerogan.net/showthread.php?t=44554&page=51
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: NikoK]
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NikoK said: Before any theory is proven, it's pseudo scientific.
End of Story.
Time Gravity Density E=MC2
These are all great examples of ideas that turned into science.
Your level of education is very, very sad.
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#14583928 - 06/09/11 07:51 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Actually you need to read Popper on the difference between science and pseudoscience. Pseudoscientific hypotheses differ from scientific ones because they are not falsifiable, or other reasons, not because they haven't been accepted yet. Actually, acceptance is not a part of the scientific method and all "conclusions" of science are subject to revision.
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: xFrockx]
#14584580 - 06/09/11 10:01 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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My level of education is actually very sad, and considering that level of education Holly May whos level of education is not even up for debate, is not only listening to me, but is amazingly impressed and is going to be seeing me in 3 weeks to continue our discussions.
I understand you two are much older and have been within the scene for the while, but things are changing very fast. Faster than you both realize for now.
Just please don't draw judgement before the chicken has hatched.
Perhaps follow the link to the Rogan board and partake in the literal scientific discussion of DMT's function as a metabolite responsible for portions of our perception. I really don't want to spend time convincing you of truth when that truth is being exercised elsewhere.
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: NikoK]
#14584822 - 06/09/11 10:52 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm 23.
"Just please don't draw judgement before the chicken has hatched."
You need to be wary of false and ill-begotten approval. It will only harm you.
DMT does nothing for me. When I smoke DMT nothing happens. No visuals, nothing. The effects of tripping are a reflection of your thoughts. No thoughts, no distortions.
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#14585382 - 06/09/11 12:46 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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My level of education is actually very sad, and considering that level of education Holly May whos(sic) level of education is not even up for debate, is not only listening to me, but is amazingly impressed and is going to be seeing me in 3 weeks to continue our discussions.
Well, name-dropping and association has certainly convinced me that commonly-accepted defintions of words have changed overnight.
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I understand you two are much older and have been within the scene for the while, but things are changing very fast. Faster than you both realize for now.
Not only is this defensive tangent with a hint of mind-reading totally irrelevant - it also has zero information content. Bravo!
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#14585980 - 06/09/11 02:50 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hi NikoK,
I enjoyed reading your "thesis" regarding the biological functions of NN-DMT. It is always interesting to gain insight into the workings of the schizotypical mind.
I was sitting next to my girlfriend reading your post laughing my ass off, I normally do not bother responding to any threads in this forum due to the fact that they are mostly all on this level of scientific discourse (the talking out of your ass level), but my girlfriend convinced me to give some thoughts on your "thesis" anyway. Since I am also a PhD candidate in neuroscience (neuropharmacology, particularly) Im sure you will find my input very rewarding.
Ok, lets get started.
- You believe the pineal gland is the link to the unconscious. Thats awesome, a few hundred years ago Descartes thought it was the link to GOD, needless to say, thank GOD science has evolved since that time.
- You state the pineal gland is located at the intermediate point of all sensory organs in the brain. Last time i checked my sensory organs (my eyes, skin, nose, tungue) where all where they are supposed to be, and that is not in my brain. Im gonna give you the benefit of the doubt here cuz im a nice guy and assume you're referring to the thalamus, the input area for all sensory information to the brain. Regardless, hypothesizing that it is the hub of all "sensory composition" based purely on physical proximity to a region doesnt make sense.
- In the next paragraph you start rambling about sensory organs in the brain again, like i said before there are no sensory organs in the brain, ok? Trust me on this one. The rest of paragraph i read three times but it really doesnt make any sense to me...sorry. Pineal gland turning into primary sensory organ etc, come on man :P Plrease wiki "sensory organ" and find out theyre not in ur brain, ok?
- In the next paragraph you state: "This means the Pineal Gland interprets your waking sensory actions through self awareness, packages them into N,N-DMT" That is ALOT of information to store in a little molecule, care to elaborate on the exact process of how this works? Does the molecule attach to the target receptor and whispers it a little story in the ear that is then sent by secondary messengers to the nucleus to active gene transcription etc?
- About the hippocampus. ITS NOT A DAMN SENSORY ORGAN HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL U THERE ARE NO SENSORY ORGANS IN THE BRAIN ITS SERIOUSLY STARTING TO PISS ME OFF HERE. Otherwise you are about as wrong as you can be, the hippocampus is specifically involved in encoding and storing memory. It does not appear to be involved in memory retrieval.
- After this there is some more mumbo jumbo, it doesnt make sense at all so i have little to comment on that.
- The rest of your writings are so out there im not going to waste anymore time on it.
I would like to give you some positive critic in addition to all the negative comments ive given above but i really cant think of any other that at one point you write down the equation 18+18=36, which is pretty much correct. Nice going.
I wish you lots of luck getting your PhD, it seems like you will need it and it will be a long road for you.
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Re: The Biological Function of Endogenous N,N-Dimethyltryptamine [Re: Clickety]
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While there is a definite lack of self-criticism evident with our friend here I would not label him a schizophrenic. I think this what happens when common sense meets a lack of relevant education and an introduction of new and interesting information about the chemicals of the brain.
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Dude, he is gonna get a PhD, so how dare you judge his presentation in any way.
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Then there is the part about where he collaborates with some phd student he met on a potsmokers forum who has been working 12 years towards her phd currently (i think in america 5 years is normal). Interestingly in that time she has no publications as first author indexed on pubmed, so she is either the laziest phd student ive ever heard of or a fragment of his imagination..
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Re: The Biological Function of Endogenous N,N-Dimethyltryptamine [Re: Clickety]
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Well in all fairness i have to retract my previous statement, I first searched for this Hanna person. Miss May seems to have two publications and the first author of one (4 years ago). Something about crayfish or whatever. Either way, after 12 years this probably provides an interesting case study that potsmoke and graduate studies dont exactly go hand in hand..
Then again, when you are approached by people like NikoK and actually take them seriously that might also provide a sufficient explanation for her lack peer-reviewed material :P
Yo, NikoK, maybe you should try submitting your paper to Neuropsychopharmacology or Psychopharmacology. Maybe if you pour ur text into a scientific looking format with abstract, intro, methods results and discussion u might actually fool them into sending it out ot reviewers. Post the referee commments in here for lulz plz.
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Re: The Biological Function of Endogenous N,N-Dimethyltryptamine [Re: Clickety]
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It still scares me that he has no inkling of the difference between science and pseudo-science. How is that even possible at his alleged level?
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xFrockx said: DMT does nothing for me. When I smoke DMT nothing happens. No visuals, nothing. The effects of tripping are a reflection of your thoughts. No thoughts, no distortions.
Sounds like you got some bunk shit, bro.
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: deCypher]
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No, the loss of my involuntary visuals happened over time, and with all hallucinogenic substances the loss was the same. I can still have visuals if I purposely let my mind wander, but it feels fake, or like I'm lying to myself, then I snap out of it and don't have them anymore most of the time.
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Sounds like you are ready for datura...
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: xFrockx]
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Weird... the more I relax and let my mind empty of thoughts the more intense my psychedelic visuals get. Granted the more psychedelics I've done the more the visuals cease to astonish.
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: deCypher]
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"Weird... the more I relax and let my mind empty of thoughts the more intense my psychedelic visuals get. "
Not weird, you're doing something different there. "Letting your mind empty" is a great way to get visuals. Its a metaphorical process that involves a lot of thinking, which makes the visuals more intense. What I do is simply look around me, at what is there. I let my observation replace my thought. When I close my eyes, I see blackness (or whatever the backs of my eyelids looks like), and while I can have visuals (even sober closed eyes means I can imagine things visually for me) I can always go right back to blackness.
Now, I'm not saying I'm beyond slipping up and letting myself fall into thought, I've been there. I'm just saying I don't feel like I can, I have no reason to.
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I've really considered taking that to see what it did.
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: xFrockx]
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xFrockx said: "Weird... the more I relax and let my mind empty of thoughts the more intense my psychedelic visuals get. "
Not weird, you're doing something different there. "Letting your mind empty" is a great way to get visuals. Its a metaphorical process that involves a lot of thinking, which makes the visuals more intense.
Letting my mind empty entails the number of my active thoughts decreasing until I'm finally just observing without judgment or interpretation. It's anything but a lot of thinking.
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: deCypher]
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"until I'm finally just observing without judgment or interpretation. "
At that point are there visuals?
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: xFrockx]
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Yes, and they're not only more numerous but more intense than when I'm engaged in thought. Of course I only realize this when I've started thinking about it, which boots me out of the state and decreases their effect again.
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: deCypher]
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deCypher said: Yes, and they're not only more numerous but more intense than when I'm engaged in thought. Of course I only realize this when I've started thinking about it, which boots me out of the state and decreases their effect again.
Exactly, this is the same reason why I have had ego loss on two hits of lsd in a quiet dark room, and then a few weeks later been fully cogent on four hits of the same batch because I was watching youtube videos and talking to my friends the whole time.
Thinking and sensory input grounds you in reality.
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"Thinking and sensory input grounds you in reality. "
You say this as if without it you fly off to somewhere else.
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: deCypher]
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So when you are relaxed you have more visuals?
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: xFrockx]
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xFrockx said: So when you are relaxed you have more visuals?
When I have less thoughts I have more visuals. Being relaxed can definitely help this process, but I've had trips where I've undergone extremely intense experiences that were anything but relaxing and my visuals definitely spiked during these times. 
Anyways, this is straying far from the original topic.
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: deCypher]
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Meh. The thing about it is that I just can't say anything conclusively about it. Maybe next time I trip things will be different, I have no idea.
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xFrockx said: "Thinking and sensory input grounds you in reality. "
You say this as if without it you fly off to somewhere else.
It must be hard to be incapable of grasping figurative language.
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: 4896744]
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Well what can you even mean by it grounds you? For me, the word thought encompasses anything other than sense data, or at least everything my brain does I am aware of.
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: xFrockx]
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xFrockx said: Well what can you even mean by it grounds you? For me, the word thought encompasses anything other than sense data, or at least everything my brain does I am aware of.
It keeps you more aware of what we humans subjectively define as reality.
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Re: The Biological Function of Endogenous N,N-Dimethyltryptamine [Re: Clickety]
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Clickety said: Well in all fairness i have to retract my previous statement, I first searched for this Hanna person. Miss May seems to have two publications and the first author of one (4 years ago). Something about crayfish or whatever. Either way, after 12 years this probably provides an interesting case study that potsmoke and graduate studies dont exactly go hand in hand..
Then again, when you are approached by people like NikoK and actually take them seriously that might also provide a sufficient explanation for her lack peer-reviewed material :P
Yo, NikoK, maybe you should try submitting your paper to Neuropsychopharmacology or Psychopharmacology. Maybe if you pour ur text into a scientific looking format with abstract, intro, methods results and discussion u might actually fool them into sending it out ot reviewers. Post the referee commments in here for lulz plz.
Here is the full publication on the responses of crayfish to a reflective environment.
I honestly intend on doing this, and perhaps maybe someone with a passion for the topic with much more proficient English and formatting skills would be able to assist me in making this possible.
...What if?
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Re: The Biological Function of Endogenous N,N-Dimethyltryptamine [Re: NikoK]
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- In the next paragraph you state: "This means the Pineal Gland interprets your waking sensory actions through self awareness, packages them into N,N-DMT" That is ALOT of information to store in a little molecule, care to elaborate on the exact process of how this works? Does the molecule attach to the target receptor and whispers it a little story in the ear that is then sent by secondary messengers to the nucleus to active gene transcription etc?
Bio Photons are what would initially trigger this reaction.
The Hippocampus is a major component of the brain that is intersecting with the Pineal Gland alongside many other similar brain regions. It can be theorized that the Hippocampus only serves as an organ capable of triggering memory, not storing them. It would do this by:
Serving a memory TRANSMITTER
Reassmbles fractilized(N,N-DMT) fragments from all sensory areas of the brain
Sends these fractals(N,N-DMT) to the Cerebral Cortex for packaging into the Visual Cortex
Communicates with duplicate N,N-DMT cells (nice and small, tons of information via bio-photonic reception!)
Endogenously distributed back to the Hippocampus
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xFrockx said: "Thinking and sensory input grounds you in reality. "
You say this as if without it you fly off to somewhere else.
looks like you really did get some bunk shit..
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: jivJaN]
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NikoK,
Did you not listen to what I said? The hippocampus encodes and stores long term memory, it does not trigger or "transmit" (whatever that might e) memory. Look up patient HM. In this famous case study taught to every undergrad in the psychological science in the world the patients hippocampus was removed bilaterally to control epileptic seizures. Since the operation he has been unable to form any new memory. He has, however, no problem recalling memories he already had prior to the surgery. Of course this is only a case study, there is plenty of other evidence supporting the fact that I am right and you are wrong, but it seems like a waste of time to even post it here cause judging by your response to my post ur ignoring 90% of it and responding to 10% with more bullshit.
I dont know much about biophotonics, but I know it it is used to study cellular damage due to oxidative stress (releasing biophotons). I am not a physisics but there are a few things im pretty sure photons are incapable of doing:
- Reassembling fractilized (sic) DMT molecules. Why would they break in the first place btw?
- Sending "fractals" (huh????) from sensory areas to the visual cortex (wouldnt the visual cortex actually be a sensory area, since all visual stimuli are processed there?)
- WTF is a DMT cell? DMT is a molecule, not a cell.
- Endogenous distribution back to the hippocampus? What does that mean? Like diffusion? You have any idea how long it would take for molecules to diffuse from V1 to the HC? Furthermore if it was diffusion it would be going anywhere....doesnt make sense.
- What about all the other points i made in my previous points that you conveniently chose to ignore???
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: Clickety]
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: Clickety]
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- Reassembling fractilized (sic) DMT molecules. Why would they break in the first place btw?
They would break to return back to the state in which they were first conjured at day 49 of gestation, when DMT is first present in the organism of man. The function of memory is a lifelong function, and thus DMT would need to have full awareness of all sensory input recognized from birth. DMT would then translate this series of input from birth into a memory in which you can consciously recall.
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- Endogenous distribution back to the hippocampus? What does that mean? Like diffusion? You have any idea how long it would take for molecules to diffuse from V1 to the HC? Furthermore if it was diffusion it would be going anywhere....doesnt make sense.
- Sending "fractals" (huh????) from sensory areas to the visual cortex (wouldnt the visual cortex actually be a sensory area, since all visual stimuli are processed there?)
I should have said from other sensory areas into the visual cortex. DMT is present in all those sensory areas as well, and thus DMT can draw memory from it's function in other sensory areas. All sensory areas of the brain are used during memory. You use every part of your brain at all times, and each part depends on itself and each other. You're just only consciously aware of a certain percentage of this activity, based on the point of time you live in. For example a hominid is less cognitively capable due to the lack of concentration of these psychoactive neurotransmitters such as serotonin and DMT.
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DMT could be defined as a cell within the organism of man. It is scientifically correct in this aspect.
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Clickety said: - What about all the other points i made in my previous points that you conveniently chose to ignore???
Anything else? Does it make sense to you and the rest of the board now?
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: NikoK]
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This makes my next point clear.
That molecules are capable of radioactively decaying into other molecules of previous points in biosynthesis, to retrieve or be aware of certain function or patterns at a set point in time. This can be done through changing the isotope of elements used within the molecule.
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: NikoK]
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she shouldnt huv smoked dat ish, we all know what happens when ya do ya get all
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: andrewss]
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It makes it clear that I shoudlnt have bothered in the first place.
I give up.
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: Clickety]
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Thank you for admitting your lack of will to discover the knowledge necessary to have a full fledged scientific debate on the speculated function of DMT.
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: NikoK]
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: NikoK]
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Clickety said: - WTF is a DMT cell? DMT is a molecule, not a cell.
DMT could be defined as a cell within the organism of man. It is scientifically correct in this aspect.
DMT can NOT be defined as a cell within any organism whatsoever. Cells are defined as the basic unit of life and a DMT molecule floating around in a test tube is clearly not alive ergo DMT is not a cell.
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: FocusHawaii]
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Therefore the basic units of life for the intake of light in the organism of homosapien is N,N-DMT. And the basic units of life for regulating your input of darkness is Melatonin.
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: NikoK]
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NikoK said: Thank you for admitting your lack of will to discover the knowledge necessary to have a full fledged scientific debate on the speculated function of DMT.
What level of school did you finish mr. scientist? Did you complete secondary/high school? Do you have a bachelor (of science), masters or PhD? Are you performing graduate level scientific research at a university? What are your credentials (and evidence) to claim that your insane ramblings are scientific?
You haven't debated with anyone. When confronted with the nature of your unbased conjecture, you fail to comprehend the reply and provide some new incomprehensible rant as retort. When you learn the basics of science, rational argument, logic and English perhaps you can engage in discussion on DMT.
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: NikoK]
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NikoK said: Therefore the basic units of life for the intake of light in the organism of homosapien is N,N-DMT. And the basic units of life for regulating your input of darkness is Melatonin.
You be tripping. What evidence do you have to support this bizarre conclusion? You can't even properly spell homo sapiens. Nothing you just said makes any sense.
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NikoK said: Therefore the basic units of life for the intake of light in the organism of homosapien is N,N-DMT. And the basic units of life for regulating your input of darkness is Melatonin.
You be tripping. What evidence do you have to support this bizarre conclusion? You can't even properly spell homo sapiens. Nothing you just said makes any sense.
I can very well properly spell homo sapiens, sorry you failed to understand I was typing fast and made a spelling error.
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: kmfdm]
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NikoK said: Therefore the basic units of life for the intake of light in the organism of homosapien is N,N-DMT. And the basic units of life for regulating your input of darkness is Melatonin.
You be tripping. What evidence do you have to support this bizarre conclusion? You can't even properly spell homo sapiens. Nothing you just said makes any sense.
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NikoK said: Thank you for admitting your lack of will to discover the knowledge necessary to have a full fledged scientific debate on the speculated function of DMT.
What level of school did you finish mr. scientist? Did you complete secondary/high school? Do you have a bachelor (of science), masters or PhD? Are you performing graduate level scientific research at a university? What are your credentials (and evidence) to claim that your insane ramblings are scientific?
You haven't debated with anyone. When confronted with the nature of your unbased conjecture, you fail to comprehend the reply and provide some new incomprehensible rant as retort. When you learn the basics of science, rational argument, logic and English perhaps you can engage in discussion on DMT.
I never even had the chance to finish grade 10 in high school due to a host of environmental factors such as physical sickness and parental negligence. I do not have a bachelors, masters, or PhD. Nor am I performing graduate level scientific research at a university. I have no credentials besides my inherent human identity and the evidence is the research in which mankind has partaken in up until this point.
If you could please explain and justify your accusation of my ramblings not being scientific with scientific reasoning as to why my ramblings are unscientific, I would be glad to listen.
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: NikoK]
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: NikoK]
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"I never even had the chance to finish grade 10 in high school due to a host of environmental factors such as physical sickness and parental negligence. I do not have a bachelors, masters, or PhD. Nor am I performing graduate level scientific research at a university. I have no credentials besides my inherent human identity and the evidence is the research in which mankind has partaken in up until this point.
If you could please explain and justify your accusation of my ramblings not being scientific with scientific reasoning as to why my ramblings are unscientific, I would be glad to listen."
It's because they aren't based on actual observations of the brain.
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But they ARE actual ramblings.
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What did this person ever do to you? These posts never hurt anyone. At least this person is trying, which is more than you can say most of the time.
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: xFrockx]
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If you could please explain and justify your accusation of my ramblings not being scientific with scientific reasoning as to why my ramblings are unscientific, I would be glad to listen."
It's because they aren't based on actual observations of the brain.
They are based on scientific observations of the brain as well as correlation of all events of human history.
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: xFrockx]
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: NikoK]
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"They are based on scientific observations of the brain as well as correlation of all events of human history. "
Let's start with this part. What studies?
"They are based on scientific observations of the brain as well as correlation of all events of human history. "
Now for this part. What can correlation teach you about relations between things in reality? What if a meteor strikes when you brush your teeth three days in a row? Does that mean brushing your teeth makes meteors strike?
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Well this person has gone out and done shit for this idea of theirs. What ideas of yours have you pursued enough to have the guts to talk to strangers about them in person?
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If you could please explain and justify your accusation of my ramblings not being scientific with scientific reasoning as to why my ramblings are unscientific, I would be glad to listen.
They strike me as pretty speculative without much direct evidence and attempting to incorporate some known facts in an ad hoc fashion.
I didn't read your post that carefully, so I apologize if this was covered, but what exactly is your thesis here in like one sentence? What observable consequences to your hypothesis are there that while presently unobserved could be tested and confirmed to support or disproved to reject your hypothesis?
I'm trying to see what the actual relevance of this idea of yours being true is and whether its more than simply a conceptual ideas more akin to a philosophy than a scientific hypothesis.
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: andrewss]
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: johnm214]
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If you could please explain and justify your accusation of my ramblings not being scientific with scientific reasoning as to why my ramblings are unscientific, I would be glad to listen.
They strike me as pretty speculative without much direct evidence and attempting to incorporate some known facts in an ad hoc fashion.
I didn't read your post that carefully, so I apologize if this was covered, but what exactly is your thesis here in like one sentence? What observable consequences to your hypothesis are there that while presently unobserved could be tested and confirmed to support or disproved to reject your hypothesis?
I'm trying to see what the actual relevance of this idea of yours being true is and whether its more than simply a conceptual ideas more akin to a philosophy than a scientific hypothesis.
It is using the current information we know on Neuroscience, spirituality, and the roles of DMT and Melatonin.
It is an extrapolation that DMT is the hormone of light. This would give us a physiological reason for DMT being within the pineal gland. That when melatonin is excreted from the pineal gland, it is due to DMT entering the pineal gland.
Also understanding lights true role in biology.
What does light stimulate prior to physical form?
Light stimulates Dualism. The relationship between sound and vibration.
It does this through activating two identical geomtric shapes and two simple mathematical equations. The identical shape being the triangle. Each triangle requires to be nested to itself in order to be conscious. When on their own, they are statically omniprescent, or unconscious. These unconscious shapes combined create the blueprint for a three dimensional universe.
Which mathematical equations are attached to them? 0 and 18. Growth and Protection.
Zero: The Fibonacci Sequence; The Right Brain; Sound; Unconscious; Conscious; Light; Gravity Illogical, Intuitive, Random Data 0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89, etc
These are the resonate values in which growth chose to map it's purpose. To interrupt protection through influence of sound. The string of values extends infinitely unless with it's partner equation Protection. Due to the infinite nature of this pattern, light can be represented with this pattern.
Protection: The Response Sequence; The Left Brain; Vibration; Conscious; Unconscious; Dark; Stars Sequential, Logical, Analytical Data 0,18,18,36,54,90,144,234,378,612,990
These are the static values in which protection chose to map it's purpose. To limit sound through the influence of vibration. The adding of two values to limit sound to resonate between. Due to the infinite nature of this pattern, light can be represented with this pattern.
These two holy numbers religiously represent far too much for me to go into detail at the very moment. Though mathematically they are the only two numbers which the sum of itself is half it's decimal digits.
0+0=0 1+8=9
This shows the crucifixion of christ and the symbolism of jesus dying for our sins is referring to the dualism of biology and math. A cross was stuck inbetween the two concepts and himself, and he left his physical body upon the cross and shed light all throughout the universe. The mathematical forumals and their correlation are what create the information for a triangle to gain the ability to nest with itself. Or kill it's old self. When a triangle leaves two dimensional awareness to attain third dimensional awareness, god said let there be light. It killed it's self (which is half of it's self), and formed a circle of light around the triangle.
This sets the precent for the creation of sacred geometry, as well as the biological functions of Time Mass and Density.
This set of images shows the math and shape of Zero and Protection apart from each other. As well as the result of them interacting, creating the information for two triangles to nest and realize they are one.
Growth realized it needed to create stars to protect itself. Protection realized it needed to host stars to grow.
Stars are what the universe uses as a biological tool of resonance. These stars statically resonate with themselves and cause growth. Influencing itself to influence the continuation of the growth cycle of ONE universe.
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: NikoK]
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What about blind people?
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: xFrockx]
#14593749 - 06/11/11 12:27 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've been curious about this myself. My girlfriend has had Ocular Melanoma and as a result has lost the vision in her left eye.
Wish I knew.
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: NikoK]
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What about people without eyes? How would their DMT stuff work according to you?
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: xFrockx]
#14601013 - 06/12/11 01:47 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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xFrockx said: What about people without eyes? How would their DMT stuff work according to you?
I don't know I have my eyes.
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: NikoK]
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Well according to you they would be missing a lot of shit, right? So are people without eyes mentally deficient?
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: johnm214]
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johnm214 said: What observable consequences to your hypothesis are there that while presently unobserved could be tested and confirmed to support or disproved to reject your hypothesis?
I don't believe you've addressed this. If you could answer it would be appreciated. I'm having trouble understanding what the observable consequences of this idea are, or if its just a philosophy or metaphysical perspective.
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: johnm214]
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johnm214 said: What observable consequences to your hypothesis are there that while presently unobserved could be tested and confirmed to support or disproved to reject your hypothesis?
I don't believe you've addressed this. If you could answer it would be appreciated. I'm having trouble understanding what the observable consequences of this idea are, or if its just a philosophy or metaphysical perspective.
There are several things within the lab that can be tested to prove or disprove this hypothesis.
Cease the production of DMT within an organism in these ways:
Genetically prior to birth -> Observe Growth and Collect Data MAOI therapy during gestation -> Observe Growth and Collect Data MAOI therapy after birth -> Observe Growth and Collect Data Cease production imminently -> Observe Growth and Collect Data
Measure how environmental conditions such as light effect the levels of DMT and Melatonin.
Measure how nutritional conditions such as lack of or abundance of L-tryptophan attribute to DMT levels within the organism.
Organism left within:
High light conditions/high stress (High levels of DMT, Migraine, Schizotypical)
Low light conditions/ (High levels of Melatonin, lethargy, depression)
The observable consequence is to prove that DMT is actively transported from the Pineal in the opposite fashion as Melatonin as a part of an organisms regulation of light.
This can be done by comparing data from the observations above, and drawing conclusions based off the tested organisms and their untested counterparts.
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: NikoK]
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I hate to tell you this, but people without eyes will be very upset if they find out what you are saying is true.
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Re: Amazing Insight Into the Stoned Ape Theory [Re: xFrockx]
#14608717 - 06/13/11 08:42 PM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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well.. if nobody tells them..
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