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Permanent Loss of Visual Effects under Psychedelics
    #14196631 - 03/28/11 08:02 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Hello,

I'm having a problem, and searching any cure or explanation for it. So I will be grateful the ones who would share their knowledge.

The thing is, I have a pemanent loss of visual effects in psychedelics.
LSD or any kind of mushroom, no matters, I'm having very very less visuals anymore. I'm seeing the world as normal, under high doses of psychedelics.
I guess I possessed a general permanent toleration that never goes away.

I'm waiting for months to clear the tolerance, for example, I'm not doing any psychedelics for 4 months.. I guess it should be enough to reach to zero tolerance level. But still, also in higher doses, my visuals are very very less..
How can I know that they are less? I can compare with my old trips. I'm using psychedelics continiously for 6 years maybe. And for the last 2 years, the visuals are incredibly low. The trips are not shiny anymore.. Just a few wavings, little tracers, changing colors, but just that.

We grew Golden Teacher and Amazon mushrooms with ready to grow kits. My friends are reaching to the edge with 40 gr fresh.. When I eat 40 gr, the effect is close to zero. So I'm eating 100-120 gr fresh and still not satisfying.

We are taking very quality LSD, and all my friends are like swiming in an aquarium, they are all living in the Wonderland, but still I'm just seeing little waves and tracers.. no any little morphs!
under psychedelics all the world behind me is standing same like they are without psychedelics.

Believe me, I'm not searching for more like a hungry visual maniac! I really have a permanent loss of visuals in large amount. And it does not go away even if I not do anything for 4 months.

So, what shall I do to have the trips? I want my trip to shine again.. There is no shine anymore.. :frown:

Is there any fact that a permanent visual loss can happen? Anybody having same problem?

** There is fact that, if I increase the dosage, the visuals are slowly increasing. But I don't want to eat 200 grs of fresh Golder Teacher mushrooms or take 3-4 good LSD while my friends are having wonderful trips with 30-40 grs or 1 LSD.. I'm scaring to take such amounts.

Thanks

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Re: Permanent Loss of Visual Effects under Psychedelics [Re: tweaker]
    #14196653 - 03/28/11 08:11 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

That sucks man, I've never heard of this.  Personally, I've never had full on visuals when on mushies, maybe some tracers and an intense feeling of ehphoria, depending on dose.  And you take high quality L and get nothing?  I'm curious as to what advice people give you...


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Re: Permanent Loss of Visual Effects under Psychedelics [Re: tweaker]
    #14196661 - 03/28/11 08:14 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

You could try taking some syrian rue seeds before the trip, i head they potentiate lsd.  You could also try smoking copious amounts of weed during the trip, that always helps my visuals :smile:
Have you tried any research chemical or 5-Aco-DMT? If you have, how were the visuals on that? And do you get any visuals on weed at all?


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Re: Permanent Loss of Visual Effects under Psychedelics [Re: woutah]
    #14196747 - 03/28/11 08:46 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

From what I've read the more you trip the less visuals people tend to experience, as a general rule.


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Re: Permanent Loss of Visual Effects under Psychedelics [Re: tweaker] * 1
    #14196809 - 03/28/11 09:03 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I've been getting this same problem recently too, honestly all I can say is take an even longer break, and while you're doing it start putting lots of things high in myo-inositol in your diet (oranges, peanut butter, honey, potato chips, etc.) and start taking lecithin. Inositol is great for upregulating your serotonin receptors, it's worked wonders for me thus far. I've also heard that DMT has this effect, in addition to having some amazing visuals no matter how many times you use it.

Edited by Lunaria (03/28/11 09:05 AM)

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Re: Permanent Loss of Visual Effects under Psychedelics [Re: tweaker] * 3
    #14196819 - 03/28/11 09:06 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

tweaker said:
Hello,

I'm having a problem, and searching any cure or explanation for it. So I will be grateful the ones who would share their knowledge.

The thing is, I have a pemanent loss of visual effects in psychedelics.
LSD or any kind of mushroom, no matters, I'm having very very less visuals anymore. I'm seeing the world as normal, under high doses of psychedelics.
I guess I possessed a general permanent toleration that never goes away.

I'm waiting for months to clear the tolerance, for example, I'm not doing any psychedelics for 4 months.. I guess it should be enough to reach to zero tolerance level. But still, also in higher doses, my visuals are very very less..
How can I know that they are less? I can compare with my old trips. I'm using psychedelics continiously for 6 years maybe. And for the last 2 years, the visuals are incredibly low. The trips are not shiny anymore.. Just a few wavings, little tracers, changing colors, but just that.

We grew Golden Teacher and Amazon mushrooms with ready to grow kits. My friends are reaching to the edge with 40 gr fresh.. When I eat 40 gr, the effect is close to zero. So I'm eating 100-120 gr fresh and still not satisfying.

We are taking very quality LSD, and all my friends are like swiming in an aquarium, they are all living in the Wonderland, but still I'm just seeing little waves and tracers.. no any little morphs!
under psychedelics all the world behind me is standing same like they are without psychedelics.

Believe me, I'm not searching for more like a hungry visual maniac! I really have a permanent loss of visuals in large amount. And it does not go away even if I not do anything for 4 months.

So, what shall I do to have the trips? I want my trip to shine again.. There is no shine anymore.. :frown:

Is there any fact that a permanent visual loss can happen? Anybody having same problem?

** There is fact that, if I increase the dosage, the visuals are slowly increasing. But I don't want to eat 200 grs of fresh Golder Teacher mushrooms or take 3-4 good LSD while my friends are having wonderful trips with 30-40 grs or 1 LSD.. I'm scaring to take such amounts.

Thanks



Well, there's a lot more to psychedelics than neat visuals, man.


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Re: Permanent Loss of Visual Effects under Psychedelics [Re: learningtofly]
    #14196850 - 03/28/11 09:15 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

learningtofly said:
Quote:

tweaker said:
Hello,

I'm having a problem, and searching any cure or explanation for it. So I will be grateful the ones who would share their knowledge.

The thing is, I have a pemanent loss of visual effects in psychedelics.
LSD or any kind of mushroom, no matters, I'm having very very less visuals anymore. I'm seeing the world as normal, under high doses of psychedelics.
I guess I possessed a general permanent toleration that never goes away.

I'm waiting for months to clear the tolerance, for example, I'm not doing any psychedelics for 4 months.. I guess it should be enough to reach to zero tolerance level. But still, also in higher doses, my visuals are very very less..
How can I know that they are less? I can compare with my old trips. I'm using psychedelics continiously for 6 years maybe. And for the last 2 years, the visuals are incredibly low. The trips are not shiny anymore.. Just a few wavings, little tracers, changing colors, but just that.

We grew Golden Teacher and Amazon mushrooms with ready to grow kits. My friends are reaching to the edge with 40 gr fresh.. When I eat 40 gr, the effect is close to zero. So I'm eating 100-120 gr fresh and still not satisfying.

We are taking very quality LSD, and all my friends are like swiming in an aquarium, they are all living in the Wonderland, but still I'm just seeing little waves and tracers.. no any little morphs!
under psychedelics all the world behind me is standing same like they are without psychedelics.

Believe me, I'm not searching for more like a hungry visual maniac! I really have a permanent loss of visuals in large amount. And it does not go away even if I not do anything for 4 months.

So, what shall I do to have the trips? I want my trip to shine again.. There is no shine anymore.. :frown:

Is there any fact that a permanent visual loss can happen? Anybody having same problem?

** There is fact that, if I increase the dosage, the visuals are slowly increasing. But I don't want to eat 200 grs of fresh Golder Teacher mushrooms or take 3-4 good LSD while my friends are having wonderful trips with 30-40 grs or 1 LSD.. I'm scaring to take such amounts.

Thanks



Well, there's a lot more to psychedelics than neat visuals, man.



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Re: Permanent Loss of Visual Effects under Psychedelics [Re: vodka please]
    #14196860 - 03/28/11 09:18 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Are you on any medication? SSRIs?


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Re: Permanent Loss of Visual Effects under Psychedelics [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #14198695 - 03/28/11 04:26 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

no, i'm not in any medication.

and i know that psychedelics are not just neat visual, they ofcourse more than it.. but losing something that you had too much before is really making me sad.. and i was really enjoying the visual part of the trip.

i never tried the DMT or Mescaline.
It's not easy to reach to Mescaline in the place that I live, maybe I can find some in a Psychedelic Festival this summer. but I can order Ayahuasca online for DMT.

do you suggest me to use such different psycehdelics like DMT or Mescaline rather than LSD or Mushrooms?
or shall I take more higher doses?
or shall I wait for very very long time to reach to zero tolerance? (like 8 months or a year maybe.. I don't know.. I waited for 4 months before but it did not work)

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Re: Permanent Loss of Visual Effects under Psychedelics [Re: tweaker]
    #14198772 - 03/28/11 04:40 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)



Seriously though... just take more.


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Re: Permanent Loss of Visual Effects under Psychedelics [Re: tweaker]
    #14198794 - 03/28/11 04:45 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

tweaker said:
no, i'm not in any medication.

and i know that psychedelics are not just neat visual, they ofcourse more than it.. but losing something that you had too much before is really making me sad.. and i was really enjoying the visual part of the trip.

i never tried the DMT or Mescaline.
It's not easy to reach to Mescaline in the place that I live, maybe I can find some in a Psychedelic Festival this summer. but I can order Ayahuasca online for DMT.

do you suggest me to use such different psycehdelics like DMT or Mescaline rather than LSD or Mushrooms?
or shall I take more higher doses?
or shall I wait for very very long time to reach to zero tolerance? (like 8 months or a year maybe.. I don't know.. I waited for 4 months before but it did not work)




Another thing that comes to mind is taking some amino acid supplements, while not directly related to the visual effects such as patterning and the like, a good portion of the "shininess" and intensity of visual effects comes from the fact that when you trip hard your pupils are monstrous, and I've also lost this effect lately and correspondingly noticed that my pupils basically stay normal size whenever I trip. Cutting back on stimulating drugs and taking dopamine supplements has helped this tremendously, and I want to reiterate the inositol point because I really can't stress how much this has helped me. After a few weeks of supplements I went from barely anything on two hits of good acid to heavy neon visuals and intense distortions from smoking a bowl of dank after a good roll.

I would still also recommend the longer tolerance break though, it won't hurt to let the psychedelic experience sink into memory and then bring it back a vengeance when your brain is least expecting it.

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Re: Permanent Loss of Visual Effects under Psychedelics [Re: tweaker]
    #14198890 - 03/28/11 05:08 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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tweaker said:
no, i'm not in any medication.

and i know that psychedelics are not just neat visual, they ofcourse more than it.. but losing something that you had too much before is really making me sad.. and i was really enjoying the visual part of the trip.

i never tried the DMT or Mescaline.
It's not easy to reach to Mescaline in the place that I live, maybe I can find some in a Psychedelic Festival this summer. but I can order Ayahuasca online for DMT.

do you suggest me to use such different psycehdelics like DMT or Mescaline rather than LSD or Mushrooms?
or shall I take more higher doses?
or shall I wait for very very long time to reach to zero tolerance? (like 8 months or a year maybe.. I don't know.. I waited for 4 months before but it did not work)




I think I have the same exact issue. That's really cool that I'm not the only one ^_^

I had some experiences with hypnotic states a long time ago. Currently I've been trying to see what this whole psychedelic thing is all about, but different drugs/dosages don't seem to work. For example, here's a thread of mine called I don't know why I can't trip on salvia. When I can afford it, I'll make some extractions so I can take a controlled massive dose.

I have tried slight maoi's and that didn't do anything as far as I could tell (grapefruit and yohimbe). I know that whenever I go a few days with no sleep it's LOT easier for me to hallucinate. Not everyone enjoys going 1-3 nights with no sleep though. You might try fasting/enemas. And spacing out the trips doesn't help. I do that anyways, because I can't afford to trip all the time.

Edit: wow, lots of good info in the thread. Thanks.


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Re: Permanent Loss of Visual Effects under Psychedelics [Re: maug]
    #14198990 - 03/28/11 05:26 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

smoke DMT


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Re: Permanent Loss of Visual Effects under Psychedelics [Re: Austrip]
    #14200479 - 03/28/11 09:23 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I would up the dose, and perhaps change the setting as well. A large dose in a dark room either alone or with 1 friend. Go in with minimal expectations and let the trip run its course.

On moderate doses my trips are either clear headed and highly visual or just a total mindfuck with no visuals. I'm not sure why. On high doses it's almost always a combination of rediculous visuals that engulf my entire field of vision and spiral off into infinity and a total mindfuck.

Maybe you have a high tolerance and arn't dosing high enough? I don't know... I don't want to give anyone bad advice but you could just need to eat a bit more.

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Re: Permanent Loss of Visual Effects under Psychedelics [Re: Subconscious]
    #14200847 - 03/28/11 10:24 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Funny enough, I have never gotten really noticeable visuals from psychedelics, even from 3.5 grams of mushrooms.  The most notable visuals I ever got were from when I took way too much syrian rue.  Every time I moved my gaze, electric arcs of white lightning streaked across my vision in a grid, with them more intense at the periphery of my vision. 

Just as some people are more visual or auditory learners than others, so it is with tripping.  And I think this can change over time.  How, I don't know, but in my experience, the strength of the cognitive effects will more than make up for any loss of power visually.  Perhaps you aren't going for cognitive effects, though, in which case I might suggest trying one of the 2C family of drugs.  Those sound very predominantly visual for almost everyone.


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Re: Permanent Loss of Visual Effects under Psychedelics [Re: Comradez]
    #14200903 - 03/28/11 10:35 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

piracetam

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Re: Permanent Loss of Visual Effects under Psychedelics [Re: CDClock]
    #14200963 - 03/28/11 10:46 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

How often do you typically trip?

What do you experience when you eat 100g fresh?

What kind of environment do you normally trip in? (light, dark, etc?)


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Re: Permanent Loss of Visual Effects under Psychedelics [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
    #14202227 - 03/29/11 03:53 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

so what is the general thought about combining piracetam or syrian rue with asid or shrooms? the idea took my interest. but any experiences?

and for the people who never had noticeable visual in shrooms, have you ever ate Hawaiians? you should eat 1 gr dry hawaiians or even 0.5 would go if you have very less tolerance. the visuals of Hawaiians were crazier than even LSD, and they were heavily potent but unfortunetly it is like impossible to reach after the ban in Netherlands.

to Nunbuh_Chrubble:
- I'm triping once in a month. Just mushrooms or acid, but generally mushrooms. But I also give a 4 months break at the end of the summer.
- When I ate 120 gr fresh Golden Teacher, objects were waving and there were little tracers. But also I have a strong disturbing feeling while comin up process, but it faded away.
- In our home, or in the green park next to our home. But it's always night time so, I can say that, if we are at home, the light is gloomy (not completely dark) and if we are in park there are city lights and moon light around.


I guess to good think for me to do is, give a very long break but also double the portion when I will trip..

and for DMT: I'm planing to order DMT online, so which is your suggestion guys? smoking Mimosa Hostilis is enough? or shall I combine it with a MAO inhibitor? or shall I prepare Ayahuasca and drink?

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Re: Permanent Loss of Visual Effects under Psychedelics [Re: tweaker]
    #14202245 - 03/29/11 04:07 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

and thank you so much for all the comments, guys! :smile:
they already helped me to clear my mind about my problem.

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Re: Permanent Loss of Visual Effects under Psychedelics [Re: ifoundwaldo]
    #14202255 - 03/29/11 04:13 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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smoke DMT



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Seriously though... just take more.




make tea out of your mushrooms and you can dose higher.


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