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EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do?
#14198369 - 03/28/11 03:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hows it going,
I originally had (4) 4 quart bags of spawned compost colonizing.
A week ago 2 of the bags were completely colonized so I transfered 1 of the bags into plastic containers and put the in the FC to recolonize and fruit.

I forgot about the others until today. When I took a look at them today they all showed pins, some bigger/ more plentiful than others.
I really wanted to transfer all the the bags into plastic containers in order to maximize my surface area, maximizing my yield. Now I think it might be too late to transfer the bags into plastic containers (since I mix the contents of the bags up when transferring them).
Please let me know what you guys would do in this situation with each of the 3 bags (if you were trying to maximize yield).
Thanks in advance for all the help and knowledge!
Here are the 3 bags,
BAG 1 (is fully colonized and only has 1 or 2 pins)-



BAG 2 (is partially colonized but has a bunch of pins)-


BAG 3 (is partially colonized but has a bunch of pins)-

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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: zebracakes]
#14199833 - 03/28/11 07:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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anyone?
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: zebracakes]
#14200026 - 03/28/11 08:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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did you knead at 20-30%? i would spawn the first one anyways just grind up the pins or take them out
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: zebracakes]
#14200042 - 03/28/11 08:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Spawn them?
I dunno. That unfinished one looks weird.
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: Doc_T]
#14200072 - 03/28/11 08:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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yeah i agree. but the first one is fully colonized and has few pins...give the others more time? maybe theyre fighting bacteria
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: damnyoumongorians]
#14200178 - 03/28/11 08:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I didn't knead them at 20-30%.
I'll break up and transfer bag #1 in plastic containers tomorrow so that it can recolonize and fruit.
As for bag 2 and 3, they has a bunch of pins but are not 100% colonized.
Should I open the bags, pull the pins out, and knead it up for it to recolonize? Once its recolonized I can break it up again and transfer it to the fruiting chamber to recolonize again and fruit..
Does that sound like a smart idea for bag 2 and 3?
Or maybe I should just open the bags, pull the pins, knead/mix up and transfer straight to plastic trays and put in FC to recolonize and fruit?
Any help is much appreciated! Thanks again
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: zebracakes]
#14200212 - 03/28/11 08:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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nah dont open them. just one another chance for contams. just knead the bags now i guess. the pins can get torn off, the myc should kinda recycle the mushrooms and recolonize them
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: damnyoumongorians]
#14200222 - 03/28/11 08:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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then wait for full colonization and spawn to w.e you wanted to or put it in your FC.
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: damnyoumongorians]
#14200234 - 03/28/11 08:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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alright sounds good, once the mushrooms get ripped apart and torn off the myc wouldn't they rot in the center of the mass (or wherever they ended up landing)?
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: zebracakes]
#14200261 - 03/28/11 08:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I guess my question would be,, why did they start pinning. Where were they while colonizing? How long, What temp? What light or dark?
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: mabachko]
#14200302 - 03/28/11 08:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah, its weird, bag 2 is like 90% but bag 3 is around 80% i'd say
The bags were mixed at the beginning of the month (March 3rd) and I was away for a majority of the time (till last week).
They were in indirect sunlight at room temp. I'm guessing the lighting is what triggered the pins but I heard some light is suppose to speed up colonization.
Anyway, hope someone knows what to do in this situation. It must have happened to someone else in the past?
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: damnyoumongorians]
#14200321 - 03/28/11 09:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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damnyoumongorians said: nah dont open them. just one another chance for contams. just knead the bags now i guess. the pins can get torn off, the myc should kinda recycle the mushrooms and recolonize them
they some how get back into the myc network. they get back absorbed into the system if you will.
and idk mabachko, but sometimes they do that. just like jars, bags pin early sometimes too, i figure.
and yes its happened to me before with brf jars that i used to spawn to coir. i just grinded the pins and cake them spawned it. had no problems.
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: damnyoumongorians]
#14200398 - 03/28/11 09:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cool, i guess thats the verdict unless someone else has other ideas.
I'll probably do it in an hour or two before I go to bed, i'm open to other ideas in the meantime.
thanks again damnyoumongorians for the tips
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: zebracakes]
#14200404 - 03/28/11 09:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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no problem im happy to help if you need anything else.
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: damnyoumongorians]
#14200426 - 03/28/11 09:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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why not eat the pins?
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: mabachko]
#14200516 - 03/28/11 09:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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cuz it might not be enough to trip?...i mean you can but if you open the bag you might introduce contams so to be safe id leave them in there...a few pins arent worth the risk.
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: damnyoumongorians]
#14200553 - 03/28/11 09:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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yeah exactly, i'm not trying to open the bags until they're 100% colonized
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: zebracakes]
#14200668 - 03/28/11 09:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Makes sense to me to now that you brought it to light. Right on
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: mabachko]
#14200857 - 03/28/11 10:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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yup
any last second opinions?
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: zebracakes]
#14201043 - 03/28/11 10:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I crumbled bag 1 and bag 3. here is a picture of bag 3,

It looks like there are a lot more pins then I thought in bag #2, is the best bet still to crumble it?
here are pictures of bag 2, (before kneading)

Edited by zebracakes (03/29/11 09:06 PM)
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: zebracakes]
#14201249 - 03/28/11 11:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sorry for being impatient, its 1am and I'm trying to wrap this up
Thanks again for all the help
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: zebracakes]
#14201289 - 03/28/11 11:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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yeah its fine...bag 3 looks fully colonized... atleast the bottom 2 pics look like it. the thing is youve only got 2 options: leave em in there and knead them and give them time or spawn an uncolonized bag and risk getting contams. id go the safer route and just give them time even though thyre showing alot of pins...i think i read RR posted soewhere pins actually help spped up the colonization....ill have to check and ill post the link
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: damnyoumongorians]
#14201351 - 03/28/11 11:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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damnyoumongorians said: yeah its fine...bag 3 looks fully colonized... atleast the bottom 2 pics look like it. the thing is youve only got 2 options: leave em in there and knead them and give them time or spawn an uncolonized bag and risk getting contams. id go the safer route and just give them time even though thyre showing alot of pins...i think i read RR posted soewhere pins actually help spped up the colonization....ill have to check and ill post the link
Yeah, I'd say the bag is about 95 percent colonized
So I guess its perfectly safe to knead a bag that has 20+ inch tall pins?
Thanks for the help
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: zebracakes]
#14201372 - 03/28/11 11:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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yeah...you might not even find the pins in the grains after you knead it and it reaches 100%
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: damnyoumongorians]
#14201437 - 03/28/11 11:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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ok got it
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RogerRabbit said:
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so could the pins just be happening because of too much FAE?
Yes.
You want four holes no larger than 1/8", although half that size is plenty.
Wait until the jars are 100% and then spawn to your bulk substrate, pins and all. The pins will rapidly revert back to mycelium growth once spawned to bulk. In the future, shake all grain jars at around 30% colonization, and they should be finished three to four days later. RR
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: damnyoumongorians]
#14202425 - 03/29/11 06:09 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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alright cool,
i'm hoping it works the same for substrate that is already in bulk form. My bags aren't grain, they're grain that had already been spawned to bulk.
As for bag #3, should I try to break the mushroom down thats on the side of the bag by kneading some more. Is it better for the mushrooms to land somewhere in the middle of the bulk sub or on the outside wall like they are now?
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: zebracakes]
#14202444 - 03/29/11 06:22 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I really wanted to transfer all the the bags into plastic containers in order to maximize my surface area, maximizing my yield.
I fail to see your reasoning. A tray will have less surface area for fruiting than the colonized compost block itself. You should just strip the plastic off the bag and fruit it that way. Breaking up a colonized substrate block is not recommended. You're supposed to shake/knead grain bags, but not bulk substrates. RR
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#14202472 - 03/29/11 06:36 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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damn, thanks for the advice but I already broke everything up.
I guess I can fruit the substrate blocks as huge cakes whenever they recolonize?
what are your opinions on bag #3, should I shake up the bag again to break down the few long mushrooms on the side of the bag into smaller pieces?
IDK why I didn't just put the blocks right into the FC, definitely a lesson learned for next time.
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: zebracakes]
#14202693 - 03/29/11 08:34 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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yeah wow im so sorry about that i didnt realize you had already spawned it and that was your mix....i thought it was your grains there and the first pic was after you mixed it with your sub. so sorry. you should be fine though
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: damnyoumongorians]
#14202706 - 03/29/11 08:40 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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you cant really put them in a container though once the subs colonized though you wouldve had to leave them in the bag, cut the top off and stick it in a sgfc
damn i feel bad now.
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: zebracakes]
#14202716 - 03/29/11 08:47 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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zebracakes said: I guess I can fruit the substrate blocks as huge cakes wheneverif they recolonize?
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: k00laid]
#14206115 - 03/29/11 09:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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damn damn damn
My only fear is that the pins that are sporadically kneaded throughout the bag are going to rot when the bulk sub "try's" to recolonize.
What a horrible mistake, all I had to do was put the blocks in the FC and watch them grow.
Is there anyway to redeem myself here? Maybe with bag 3 I can pick the few mushrooms on the side out and dump the contents in the FC?
Please let me know what you guys would do in this situation.
thanks again!
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: zebracakes]
#14206674 - 03/29/11 10:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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any ideas?
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: zebracakes]
#14207638 - 03/30/11 02:46 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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wait and see what happens.
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: k00laid]
#14264096 - 04/09/11 07:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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1 bag harvest successful,


About the other 3 bags that were messed up, 2 of them look like the recolonized. I just threw them in a FC. The bag on the left looks a little funky, maybe yeast? No idea? They do look like the have recolonized a bit though.



The 3rd bag seems like it hasn't recolonized but it is growing more mushrooms? I haven't put it into an FC yet.

What do you guys think about the 3 bags?
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: zebracakes]
#14265047 - 04/09/11 11:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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anyone?
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: zebracakes]
#14265161 - 04/10/11 12:41 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Let the bag that hasn't recolonized keep growing in the bag.... wait to harvest when the mushies are ready, then birth it and dunk, then try to get flush number 2.
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: slapphappypill]
#14266099 - 04/10/11 09:18 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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good call, thats what i'll do with that bad, i'll harvest it when ready and then dunk it and put it in the FC.
about the other two bags, do they both look good? should I get rid of the one on the left with the specks on it?
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: zebracakes]
#14266731 - 04/10/11 11:52 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Should I isolate the cake on the left that looks like it has yeast? Could it potentially contaminate the healthy looking cake on the right?
I probably won't get a chance to make another FC till the morning =/
Can anyone enlighten me on whats going on with these cakes?
I would really appreciate it
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: zebracakes]
#14269293 - 04/10/11 09:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sorry to be a bother but anyone have any ideas?
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: zebracakes]
#14269672 - 04/10/11 10:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Seriously, just start a new run. You can only learn by experimenting, just start a new run and take what you learned from the last one. You caused it to pin by giving it some sort of fruiting trigger and/or contams. Break your process down and try to fix it. Thats what makes any hobby fun - trial, error, learning then reward. And patience is a must.
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: SwampTromper]
#14271053 - 04/11/11 08:07 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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definitely understood.
i plan on dunking the 1 bag thats pinning nicely and putting it into a FC when the time comes (even though the substrate doesn't look very colonized)
I'm just curious about the 2 colonized bags I have in the FC now, what do you guys think about them?
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: zebracakes]
#14273917 - 04/11/11 05:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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anyone experience this before?
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: zebracakes]
#14275568 - 04/11/11 10:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I would so fruit them in the bag
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: steelmonkey]
#14275718 - 04/11/11 11:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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steelmonkey said: I would so fruit them in the bag
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: yessir]
#14276728 - 04/12/11 06:54 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ive done it tons with my spawnbags just cut the tops off and its like a micro climate in there for them plus iits so easy to rehydrate for the second flush,just fill the bag with water,soak then drain voila your ready for second and third flushes.....dude you broke my shroom cherry thx
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: steelmonkey]
#14280515 - 04/12/11 09:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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yeah, i am letting the one bag fruit in the bag, check it out
 A bunch of the mushrooms are 6-8 inches already, some are only an inch. I'm going to have to pull the ones that are really big pretty soon so when I do cut the bag open to harvest a few should I put it back into a FC to finish the 1st flush? I'm assuming thats what should be done, I could be wrong though.
Still wondering whats going on with the othe two bags I currently have in the FC, they look like they have recolonized but haven't started pinning yet
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: zebracakes]
#14281497 - 04/12/11 11:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Cut the bag then put them in the FC let the biggest ones mature i'm guessing it will only take a day or two then harvest the biggest ones then watch those little cute babies take right off
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: steelmonkey]
#14285971 - 04/13/11 07:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Just did that, pulled about 7 monsters, came out to 140g wet, still a boat load on the cake in the FC.
After I harvest the entire 1st flush would it be a good idea to get rid of the bag all together to get more side pinning/ maximize surface area of the cake? On the other hand, I know the plastic keeps the humidity really nice on the side of the cake.
The other 2 cakes in the other FC are still fully colonized but haven't pinned.
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: zebracakes]
#14288650 - 04/14/11 06:54 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Id keep it in the bag and use it as a dunk tray soak 3-6 hours or longer depending on how dry it is then drain and back in the FC for the second flush
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: steelmonkey]
#14344078 - 04/24/11 03:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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fruiting in bags is the best!
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: zebracakes]
#14344112 - 04/24/11 04:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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The 2 bags that people told me to throw out 


2 or 3 of the mushrooms have a weird white film on the caps, anyone have any ideas?

I originally thought the 2 bags had yeast (since i had white specks everywhere)
Edited by zebracakes (04/24/11 05:24 PM)
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: zebracakes]
#14344237 - 04/24/11 04:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
zebracakes said:
2 or 3 of the mushrooms has a weird white film on the caps, anyone have any ideas?

does it wipe off?
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: k00laid]
#14344467 - 04/24/11 05:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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see I told ya dude i fruit all the time right in the bag those are some bad-ass fruits
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: steelmonkey]
#14352409 - 04/25/11 10:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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The white spots DO NOT wipe off, I had to pick them off. They felt like flat beans.
Here are some pictures of the substrate after the dunk and the few mushrooms with white spots



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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: zebracakes]
#14352435 - 04/25/11 10:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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those dont look too healthy at all.
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: biologys]
#14352512 - 04/25/11 10:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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haha thats absolutely fine. munch munch munch away. those are just normal mutations and some are flat because they were either pressed against a bag or another fruit.
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: zebracakes]
#14354398 - 04/26/11 10:26 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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idk maneQuote:
zebracakes said: The white spots DO NOT wipe off, I had to pick them off. They felt like flat beans.
hard like raw beans? or cooked beans.
either way i probably wouldnt eat that fruit.
but im not really desperate for mush. if u are it probly wont kill you.
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Re: EPIC Problem, Pinning before transfer, what to do? [Re: k00laid]
#14388296 - 05/02/11 12:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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they remind me of lupini beans. i'd say uncooked
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