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Wizzy
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Nutrients? I Think So!!
#14198073 - 03/28/11 01:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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My uncle's best friend from highschool's daughter's probation officer has a nephew that just got into mycology. He was asking the other day what nutrients could be used in Mycology safely and which ones were to be avoided.
Now it is my understanding that uncle's best friend from highschool's daughter's probation officer's nephew has tried using Gypsum with some success, but recently discovered a nearby hydroponic store that carries literally every kind of nutrient you could ask for. Now the only other nutrients he had ever heard of using were Earthworm Casings and Bloodmeal, although he's under the impression that Bloodmeal is mostly just a nitrogen supplement and not good for much else (clarify?). Asides from that, my uncle's best friend from highschool's daughter's probation officer's nephew doesn't even know where to start when it comes to picking nutrients. What should he look for?
Additionally, what nutrients have you guys been using with your grows and what were the results? It would also be gnarly if somebody could explain precisely what each additive contributes, like instead of, "Throw some gypsum in that bitch!" if you could answer a little more along the lines of "Throw some gypsum in that bitch! It'll add Calcium, which is essential for yadda yadda, etc."
Thanks a ton for the help as usual guys.
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Re: Nutrients? I Think So!! [Re: Wizzy]
#14198172 - 03/28/11 02:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Blood meal has been found to add little to no benefit.
Worm castings are good for bulk substrates.
It's good to soak grains in diluted coffee with a pinch of gyspsum.
I add some spent coffee grounds, vermiculite and gypsum to my coco coir.
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The fact is manure spawned with a grain like millet or rye has all the nutrients you will ever need for a stellar flush and an awesome yield.
The only additive you need will be vermiculite.
You can add a little of this and/or a handful of that, but in the long run it is a total waste of time if you are using grains to spawn your manure.
Just , carry on.
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MycoUnderground said: Blood meal has been found to add little to no benefit.
Worm castings are good for bulk substrates.
It's good to soak grains in diluted coffee with a pinch of gyspsum.
I add some spent coffee grounds, vermiculite and gypsum to my coco coir.
Bloodmeal is hereby tossed out as an option, thank you.
I've heard of people using a dilute coffee mix, if my understanding is correct, that's for the nitrogen found in coffee, yes? And my uncle's best friend from highschool's daughter's probation officer's nephew is currently using coir/gypsum/verm, he was hesitant to add coffee in because it was his first attempt and he had heard coffee opens up a "world of contams" if you don't sterilize it properly. (Not that it wouldn't be sterilized properly).
How's about oyster shell? Is that just for casing layers?
george castanza said: The fact is manure spawned with a grain like millet or rye has all the nutrients you will ever need for a stellar flush and an awesome yield.
The only additive you need will be vermiculite.
You can add a little of this and/or a handful of that, but in the long run it is a total waste of time if you are using grains to spawn your manure.
Just , carry on.
Well, at the moment, my uncle's best friend from highschool's daughter's probation officer's nephew is still saving up for a pressure cooker, so believe it or not, the tubs were all made using fully colonized BRF cakes as spawn. Although he would LOVE to be working with grains, manure is not really an option (unfortunately) so he was hoping to improve upon his coir technique a little.
He's thinking dilute coffee is the only way to go? :P I mean, imagine you walk into a store, packed from one end to the other with EVERY kind of grow-medium and nutrient additive you could ask for. Seems like a damn shame to walk out with some coffee and nothing else.
How about Magnesium? Would that help at all?
Edited by george castanza (03/28/11 02:53 PM)
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Yeah, you can't beat manure. But if you have no access to manure, then coir. If coir, then yes supplement it some if u like with some kind of storebought nitrogen supplement (and gypsum of course).
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Re: Nutrients? I Think So!! [Re: anonjon]
#14198327 - 03/28/11 02:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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anonjon said: Yeah, you can't beat manure. But if you have no access to manure, then coir. If coir, then yes supplement it some if u like with some kind of storebought nitrogen supplement (and gypsum of course).
anonjon! U r in Portugal? Where do u buy gypsum??? Tnx and sorry for offtopic!
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Re: Nutrients? I Think So!! [Re: Wizzy]
#14198348 - 03/28/11 03:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Nutrients? I Think So!! [Re: Primal Call]
#14198358 - 03/28/11 03:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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anonjon said: Yeah, you can't beat manure. But if you have no access to manure, then coir. If coir, then yes supplement it some if u like with some kind of storebought nitrogen supplement (and gypsum of course).
anonjon! U r in Portugal? Where do u buy gypsum??? Tnx and sorry for offtopic! 
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Re: Nutrients? I Think So!! [Re: Wizzy]
#14198457 - 03/28/11 03:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Nutrients? I Think So!! [Re: Wizzy]
#14198775 - 03/28/11 04:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Wizzy said:
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MycoUnderground said: Blood meal has been found to add little to no benefit.
Worm castings are good for bulk substrates.
It's good to soak grains in diluted coffee with a pinch of gyspsum.
I add some spent coffee grounds, vermiculite and gypsum to my coco coir.
Bloodmeal is hereby tossed out as an option, thank you.
I've heard of people using a dilute coffee mix, if my understanding is correct, that's for the nitrogen found in coffee, yes? And my uncle's best friend from highschool's daughter's probation officer's nephew is currently using coir/gypsum/verm, he was hesitant to add coffee in because it was his first attempt and he had heard coffee opens up a "world of contams" if you don't sterilize it properly. (Not that it wouldn't be sterilized properly).
How's about oyster shell? Is that just for casing layers?
george castanza said: The fact is manure spawned with a grain like millet or rye has all the nutrients you will ever need for a stellar flush and an awesome yield.
The only additive you need will be vermiculite.
You can add a little of this and/or a handful of that, but in the long run it is a total waste of time if you are using grains to spawn your manure.
Just , carry on.
Well, at the moment, my uncle's best friend from highschool's daughter's probation officer's nephew is still saving up for a pressure cooker, so believe it or not, the tubs were all made using fully colonized BRF cakes as spawn. Although he would LOVE to be working with grains, manure is not really an option (unfortunately) so he was hoping to improve upon his coir technique a little.
He's thinking dilute coffee is the only way to go? :P I mean, imagine you walk into a store, packed from one end to the other with EVERY kind of grow-medium and nutrient additive you could ask for. Seems like a damn shame to walk out with some coffee and nothing else.
How about Magnesium? Would that help at all?
Actually the nitrogen in coffee isn't all that beneficial to cubensis. It has other nutrients in it that are beneficial. Concerning contamination, all you need to do with the coffee grinds is pasteurize along with the rest of the bulk substrate and it will be fine.
Oyster shells shouldn't be used in bulk substrates. It's only for casings.
Don't worry about adding magnesium. In fact, adding addtional magnesium negatively impacts grows.
You also don't need to go out and by a bunch of coffee and then brew it just for the grounds if you have a Starbucks around, and I'm willing to bet you do. Just walk in there sometime after the morning rush and ask about the "grounds for gardens" program. Starbucks saves their coffee grounds for people who come in and want to add it to their gardens. When I go to get some, they usually give me a HUGE bag (like 30 pounds) of spent grounds, and its all free, ready to be used.
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~I mean, imagine you walk into a store, packed from one end to the other with EVERY kind of grow-medium and nutrient additive you could ask for. Seems like a damn shame to walk out without some horse manure.
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Re: Nutrients? I Think So!! [Re: Wizzy]
#14202486 - 03/29/11 06:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Guys, gypsum is a mineral supplement, not a nutrient. Coffee has over 200 compounds, but I suspect most of the benefit is from the lower pH. I can add a bit of vinegar to my spawn or substrate and get the same effect as coffee.
Mushroom mycelium consumes its food at the cellular level. It doesn't need 'nutrients' in chemical form like you'd find in a hydro shop, and they'll do nothing. Mushroom mycelium needs solid food. Various manures, straw, coir, spent coffee grinds, etc., all come to mind and all are good. RR
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Re: Nutrients? I Think So!! [Re: RogerRabbit]
#14202490 - 03/29/11 06:46 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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According to wikipedia: Organic nutrients include carbohydrates, fats, proteins (or their building blocks, amino acids), and vitamins. Inorganic chemical compounds such as dietary minerals, water, and oxygen may also be considered nutrients.
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Re: Nutrients? I Think So!! [Re: anonjon]
#14202501 - 03/29/11 06:51 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Try not to bulk up on all the nutrition in water and air. 
In mushroom cultivation, gypsum is considered a mineral supplement. 'Nutrients' are what the mycelium digests from the cellular material(solid food such as compost or straw, etc.) it breaks down. If anyone thinks plant nutrients are beneficial to fungi, put some miracle gro on your substrates and see how performance goes. RR
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Re: Nutrients? I Think So!! [Re: RogerRabbit]
#14202508 - 03/29/11 06:56 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Generally yeah we talk about nutrients as things that get metabolized, but semantically it is correct to call minerals nutrients too. Semantics are fun.
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