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Re: Xbox360 or Playstation 3? [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #14194951 - 03/27/11 09:59 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Porting is also the term used when a computer game designed to run on one platform, be it a personal computer or a video game console, is converted to run on a different platform. Earlier video game "ports" were often not true ports, but rather reworked versions of the games. However, more and more video games are now being developed using software that can output code for PCs as well as for one or more consoles without the need for actual porting. Many early ports suffered significant gameplay quality issues because the hardware of PCs and consoles differed so dramatically.

Arcade perfect is a term used to describe video games which have been ported from an arcade version to another platform, such as a console, without any alterations to the game's workings. This means that graphics, sound and gameplay, along with the game's other characteristics, are identical to the arcade version.

"Console Port" has been dubbed as a term specifically used to describe a game that has been previously made for a console (such as PS3 or Xbox 360) an making an identical version that can be played on a personal computer. This term has been widely used by the gaming community, primarily in a negative way due to the higher levels of performance that computers had during that generation of gaming.








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thats just a new fancy way to port, and is exactly what i just said about crysis 2, and people are breaking down cryteks doors.  The game is being fucked up by consoles because its being designed for them.  it doesn't matter what program is used to make the game, its being made for the consoles, and ported to the pc, just because it does it in realtime now doesn't mean shit.





if you actually believe a word your saying then please explain why crysis 2 sucks...oh thats right because its a port!

you can argue your semantics all you like, fact is consoles are still fucking over pc versions period.  crysis 2 is a perfect example of how what you just said is a crock of shit.


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Re: Xbox360 or Playstation 3? [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #14194997 - 03/27/11 10:08 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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so in otherwords you havn't played any new games since these consoles came out besides those 2 lol




See you at Diablo 3 / Starcraft 2 / MMO's / etc...

Oh wait.

Derp.


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Re: Xbox360 or Playstation 3? [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #14195001 - 03/27/11 10:09 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

i have a 360 and i like it a lot, but i would rather have a ps3 because of the free online capabilities and there are a few games exclusive to ps3 that i would like to play


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Re: Xbox360 or Playstation 3? [Re: blujay]
    #14195010 - 03/27/11 10:11 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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so in otherwords you havn't played any new games since these consoles came out besides those 2 lol




See you at Diablo 3 / Starcraft 2 / MMO's / etc...

Oh wait.

Derp.




derp yourself he didn't mention any of those games derp derp:rofl2: thats exactly why i asked him to list the games to see if he was playing any of the few real pc games left altho we still have to wait and see about diablo 3


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Re: Xbox360 or Playstation 3? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #14195089 - 03/27/11 10:32 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

-The slim 360 is sex on a stick, absolves previous hardware fail. I concede that Microsoft is a greedy doom-corporation that used under-handed approaches to troubleshooting their system, Sony has had their share of inexcusably embarrassing hardware failures also.

-Microsoft actually seems to have some idea of ergodynamics. With Sony I am forced to play with a controller that is fairly poorly fitted to my hands. After market options are disappointing.

-While the sony move and sixaxis controllers feel like cheap done-before gimmicks, (a gyro too cheap on a controller too awkward, and the old motion-tracking tricks that just don't quite cut it) the Microsoft "kinect" genuinely plastered a smile on my face, if for a few hundred more than it was actually worth. Fighting over the controller reaches new comedy heights with Kinect's hand-waving sillyness.

-As much as I hate to P2P models for video game servers, Microsoft delivers a versatile and reliable online gaming experience, if often riddled by micspammers to be muted at least they are talking. The PS3's online environment is quiet and seems stagnant every time I get to play.

I really wanted to love the PS3, and after having 3 360's fail (chain of refurbs), you'd think I would have given up on Microsoft, but their attempt at "proprietary gaming" seems more well-rounded than the competition's, and what would you expect from a company more directly related to the software industry in general. Still, neither can keep up with my mid-range core2duo rig for multi-purpose power and customization. For just a few hundred dollars more a budget PC or a handsome upgrade still obliterates console performance and allows access to a much more varied and colorful catalog of indie game and budget game software. PC gaming and the indie game environment is a blooming industry with lots of digital download startups, and STEAM alone is a testament to the fact that PC gamers aren't going anywhere whether you console-exclusive types like it or not. We'll continue to enjoy our UI-overload games that no controller could navigate, twitch-accuracy FPS's with no auto-aim scheezery, and strategy micromanagement games. You enjoy your split-screen, couch-appropriate gamery and remember that even though each system will have it's ups and downs none of them is going to go extinct completely just because your panties are wet for some specific mega-corporation.

Look at Minecraft. Minecraft doesn't happen on a closed-system proprietary development platform. Too risky to invest in such tomfoolery. But not on a PC, and not if it can start as your hobby.

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Re: Xbox360 or Playstation 3? [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #14195110 - 03/27/11 10:37 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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so in otherwords you havn't played any new games since these consoles came out besides those 2 lol




See you at Diablo 3 / Starcraft 2 / MMO's / etc...

Oh wait.

Derp.




derp yourself he didn't mention any of those games derp derp:rofl2: thats exactly why i asked him to list the games to see if he was playing any of the few real pc games left altho we still have to wait and see about diablo 3




(top of head)

Magicka? TES? Gmod? Altitude? Defcon? Darwinia?

Games lower than 5$ for promotion ? Games you can never lose (as long as you keep backups?)

You can't copy an Xbox or PS3 disk without an awful fight from their prospective masters...

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Re: Xbox360 or Playstation 3? [Re: blujay]
    #14195134 - 03/27/11 10:41 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

If this is "dying", I'll be a zombie any day.

Current Peak          Game

12,991 77,368 Counter-Strike: Source
11,603 23,936 Sid Meier's Civilization V
11,518 79,807 Counter-Strike
10,477 20,830 Team Fortress 2
10,290 29,978 Total War SHOGUN 2
8,700 38,882 Call of Duty Black Ops - Multiplayer
7,628 15,897 Left 4 Dead 2
6,954 11,413 RIFT
5,265 40,545 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 - Multiplayer
4,396 8,601 Battlefield: Bad Company 2

Between 1.7 and 3.5 mil users a day on one service. That probably rivals PS3, Wii, & 360 numbers combined. I love how console-exclusive gamers just think PC gaming is dead or dying because they aren't in that group to see that it's clearly false. It's like missing out on a sick house party because you wouldn't knock on the door.


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Re: Xbox360 or Playstation 3? [Re: blujay]
    #14195558 - 03/28/11 12:03 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

i love how you tried to derp me and derped yourself and then just completely changed the subject....

anyways for your last post there check out this link, it is a bit old but considering how off base you are there's really not much point tracking down any more links

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    Total US sales in November – 8.4m units
    Xbox 360 – 4.9m units
    PS3 – 3.1m units
    DS, Wii and PC – 400K units





http://gamerinvestments.com/video-game-stocks/index.php/2010/12/13/call-of-duty-black-ops-u-s-platform-sales-breakdown-xbox-360-responsible-for-58-percent/


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Re: Xbox360 or Playstation 3? [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #14195641 - 03/28/11 12:21 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

yeah i change my vote to computer.  Buy a USB controller and you're set.

oh, except there is no marvel vs capcom 3 for pc...

and i can't play pc games on the PS or XBOX networks...

oh.  lame.  why the fuck do we have consoles?

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Re: Xbox360 or Playstation 3? [Re: tk3]
    #14195700 - 03/28/11 12:33 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

360 all day.  :super:


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Re: Xbox360 or Playstation 3? [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #14197357 - 03/28/11 11:34 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

after reading all of makaveli8x8's posts, it seems to me like he doesn't have a computer that handles games. Sounds like he's got a GateWay or something.

A console is a gaming computer. It just has the exact same hardware as every other other console of it's type, so it's universally easier to program for. With a computer, you can either be less than a console, rival a console, or blow it out of the water. It just depends on if you know what you're doing.

Consoles are easier for people who just like to button mash anyways.

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If this is "dying", I'll be a zombie any day.

Current Peak          Game

12,991 77,368 Counter-Strike: Source
11,603 23,936 Sid Meier's Civilization V
11,518 79,807 Counter-Strike
10,477 20,830 Team Fortress 2
10,290 29,978 Total War SHOGUN 2
8,700 38,882 Call of Duty Black Ops - Multiplayer
7,628 15,897 Left 4 Dead 2
6,954 11,413 RIFT
5,265 40,545 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 - Multiplayer
4,396 8,601 Battlefield: Bad Company 2

Between 1.7 and 3.5 mil users a day on one service.




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    Total US sales in November – 8.4m units
    Xbox 360 – 4.9m units
    PS3 – 3.1m units
    DS, Wii and PC – 400K units





Maybe if you read other peoples posts instead of just thinking about what you're gonna post next. he clearly is talking about how many people play those games per day, not how many units have been sold.

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http://www.qj.net/qjnet/news/no-port-in-crysis-2-thanks-to-cryengine-3.html
And it does sound like it's a little piece of heaven for developers everywhere. Imagine having both the PS3 and Xbox 360 versions running in-sync with the PC version in three monitors -- that's what this tech does. And no downtime, too.

Simply put, "there is no port" for the game. CryEngine 3 is distributed equally across all three versions, and the game purely exists as multiformat.





This is a port:

Somebody took the PC demo that was released, reworked it, and made it where it could run on Macs. That's a port. Developing a single multiformat game is not.


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Re: Xbox360 or Playstation 3? [Re: citricacidx]
    #14197397 - 03/28/11 11:44 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

right because there's clearly no corrlation between the number of "games" sold and the number of people playing them on each system based on that data.

and im sure my rig has more power than yours, i mean since you think i don't know what im talking about you must fully believe crysis 2 wasn't affected by consoles which would indicate your own lack of knowledge playing pc games.

your suggesting that recent games havn't been affected by consoles, because technology has advanced to the point where they can write up a wiki article to confuse the issue and make you think your getting a real pc game designed just for you.

you've ducked the crysis 2 issue every single time, obviously you know the game was affected.  People have called pc games getting fucked over by consoles ports since the beginning of time, nothings changed, its still happening, a definition gets tweeked and your playing semantics and buying all the crytek hype.


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Re: Xbox360 or Playstation 3? [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #14197444 - 03/28/11 11:57 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

see, again. Where did I say recent games haven't been affected by consoles?

I'm saying that consoles all have the same hardware. I could be sitting next to someone with a Dell e1705 and if I looked inside his computer it would be entirely different. The difference between an Xbox 360 Arcade, an Xbox 360, the Xbox 360 Elite, is negligible, mainly just the harddrive and the heatsinks in the Elite. So it's easier programming for that instead of having to account for the variety of computers and make a fairly balanced game for people with GateWays and for people with gaming systems.

Also, console sales don't reflect game sales. I have a PS3, Xbox 360, Wii, and PC. I OWN less than 20 games for all the systems together because I'm don't BUY every new game that comes out. Renting is the shit, and most games today don't have replay value. According to the CIA World Factbook there are an estimated as of 2005 there were 1,018,057,389 internet users worldwide. So clearly computers with internet connections all must run  games right????

The air force bought a bunch of PS3s to use for things other than games. IT HAS AN 8 CORE PROCESSOR.

An please, don't give me the Wikipedia argument. You're not a college professor grading a paper. You know just as well as anyone else that Wikipedia is moderated and checked for correctness and usually fixed very quickly. It's amazing what technology can do.


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Re: Xbox360 or Playstation 3? [Re: citricacidx]
    #14197476 - 03/28/11 12:03 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

thats just it you havn't said anything about it so obviously...your just playing semantics to try and win an arguement rather than the points that revolve around logic rather than wikipedia.

i really don't see why anyone cares whats inside xbox's, we all know there the same....im not following your point at all whats this have to do with anything?  you just state it, make no point, then move onto another subject?

and i never listed "console" sales i list "game" sales.

again subject change...who gives a rats ass about how many cores the ps3 has??? seriously whats going on here :confused:


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Re: Xbox360 or Playstation 3? [Re: citricacidx]
    #14197546 - 03/28/11 12:14 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Maybe this'll help
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see, again. Where did I say recent games haven't been affected by consoles?

I'm saying that consoles all have the same hardware. I could be sitting next to someone with a Dell e1705 and if I looked inside his computer it would be entirely different. The difference between an Xbox 360 Arcade, an Xbox 360, the Xbox 360 Elite, is negligible, mainly just the harddrive and the heatsinks in the Elite. So it's easier programming for that instead of having to account for the variety of computers and make a fairly balanced game for people with GateWays and for people with gaming systems.

Also, *console sales don't reflect game sales*. I have a PS3, Xbox 360, Wii, and PC. I OWN less than 20 games for all the systems together because I'm don't BUY every new game that comes out. Renting is the shit, and most games today don't have replay value. According to the CIA World Factbook there are an estimated as of 2005 there were 1,018,057,389 internet users worldwide. So clearly computers with internet connections all must run  games right????

*The air force bought a bunch of PS3s to use for things other than games. IT HAS AN 8 CORE PROCESSOR.*

An please, don't give me the Wikipedia argument. You're not a college professor grading a paper. You know just as well as anyone else that Wikipedia is moderated and checked for correctness and usually fixed very quickly. It's amazing what technology can do.




I'm not saying that Consoles are less prevalent than PC gaming. I'm just trying to say PCs are better than consoles overall, and porting is different than coding something originally to run on the different game systems.


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Re: Xbox360 or Playstation 3? [Re: citricacidx]
    #14197607 - 03/28/11 12:24 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

yah the problem is your backing up points that have nothing to do with the conversation...


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Re: Xbox360 or Playstation 3? [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #14197671 - 03/28/11 12:36 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Whatever  :stonedjerk:
PC > PS3 > 360 > Wii


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Re: Xbox360 or Playstation 3? [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #14197759 - 03/28/11 12:52 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

well here's what my point was, consoles fuck pc's over, been happening forever, its still happening, based on this, to me, ports are still happening, they can change software all they want, but when i play the game i see the same stupid shit.  if i change the word port, it looses its meaning, the quick and clean meaning that multiplats are designed for all systems which universally everyone reconizes, "pc gets screwed by console".  Now people can define this word however they want, but they left out how most people have been using it for YEARS, the only people using it by its true meaning are software devs.  You go surf the major gaming boards and EVERYONE is screaming PORT, there's a reason, nobody cares about the definition someone put on wiki, nobody cares how crytek built software that didn't change anything for pc gamers, theres the written meaning, and the used meaning.

and spreading your meaning of the word, only helps crytek push there PR, thats all this is about.

so, my point is the pc is getting screwed, been getting screwed, and continues to get screwed, pc gaming is down, and has been going down for a long long while.

The whole reason games got brought up was because i was talking about "ports", the guy specifically listed all his pc exclusives which are all from a decade ago, thats why i said "so you havn't played any recent games on pc", because of course there's not going to be any multiplates (ports)unless he had.

thats when the subject got changed...to sales, and not by me.  but i decided to play along when he posted this

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Between 1.7 and 3.5 mil users a day on one service. That probably rivals PS3, Wii, & 360 numbers combined.




and thats when i proved him wrong by posting blackops sold 8 million on the ps3 and xbox360...1 game that DWARFED his  1.7 to 3.5 mil, doesn't take much to figuer out he's wrong...it is mostly a MP game for that extra wow thats a point factor.

the whole reason im explaing all this is because i still don't know why were talking about console sales...and i really don't know why your all over this notty word "ports" and you call yourself a pc gamer, if its not a pc exclusive its been fucked over by consoles, keep pushing the word port because there's no reason to change it just for crytek, nothings changed.  all you have to ask yourself is are your multiplats still sucking on pc? YES.

and i never disagreed, i think pc's are superior, im just saying there being fucked over, there's less and less good games, they are turning us into consoles, im defending pc gaming, thats why im talking about all these ports n crap because im sick of it and people are just drinking all the crytek coolaid


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Re: Xbox360 or Playstation 3? [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #14197841 - 03/28/11 01:11 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I like that you say the meaning of the word Port has changed, and trying to use it like it is supposed to be used is wrong. Then you go to say there's no reason to change it for crytek? What, you mean use it like it's supposed to be used?

I also like that you're saying the cries of a bunch of random internet people screaming PORT is a valid way to change the meaning of a word, yet you whine about how wikipedia can be easily modified to be wrong because of technology.

Porting means what it means. And yes, I am a programmer.


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Re: Xbox360 or Playstation 3? [Re: citricacidx]
    #14197876 - 03/28/11 01:18 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

This conversation was cool for awhile, not it's just bogged down in minutiae and bullshit.

Some people like the PS3, some people like the XBOX, and some people like the PC.

Each is superior to the others, to certain people, for certain reasons.

But all of this bullshit fanboy-ism is kinda lame, don't ya think?


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