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TheShroomJew23
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For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods
#14195656 - 03/28/11 12:25 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I work about 3-4 hours everyday to every other day in front of my hood and fully enjoy the hobby I have chosen and the company I started to support my work. I do however get a little bored and sore working for so long. So for about the past year I have been listening to music when I do almost all of my work. Not just listening but blasting it pretty much; 2-12in subs, 1-18in sub, a bunch of tweeters and mids. My lab feels like a concert when I am working. Now you may be wondering why I am posting this in advanced mycology. A few weeks ago my amp broke and I didn't have any music. Shortly after I began to see contaminations and just a general decline in my quality of work. I also began to see changes in mycelium growth speeds. Now I know this may sound crazy but there is already a lot of research into this idea that music helps us concentrate and plants grow. I am going to start two trials, one for me and one for some oyster mycelium. I will work one week with music and one without. The same for my cultures. I will try to do everything the same, use the same batch of agar, the same isolates, hopefully removing a lot of possible errors. I will post results of my week with music next Sunday. Have a good week, oh and the first five people who guess the results correctly get an isolate of their choice from my library.
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: TheShroomJew23]
#14195887 - 03/28/11 01:24 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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What type of music will you be playing? That may also play a part. I am guessing though that you will see improvement with the music, and if you play a soothing or classical music it will work better than say rock,pop,rap..ect. Will be excited to see the results though!! =D
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: A.Pariah]
#14195901 - 03/28/11 01:29 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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It will be electronica, dubstep, house, and maybe some classical.
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: TheShroomJew23]
#14195929 - 03/28/11 01:40 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I would go with classical but house or dubstep may work as well. The same kind of study was done with plants, and there was a marked difference with classical. Would like to see results with fungi. Contam reduction would def be a pretty sweet prospect.... Check out the book "The Secret Lives Of Plants" kinda old book. This is where an example of the same kind of experiment was done.
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: A.Pariah]
#14195963 - 03/28/11 01:52 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I am going to run classical when I am not in there.
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: TheShroomJew23]
#14197282 - 03/28/11 11:14 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I agree with your hypothesis, I got my lab wired like a studio also and I think the fuzz likes what I like, They tend to shy away from metal, but I have only a passing interest in metal, and keep it out of the lab. I have been doing clean work listening to techno type music, so far P cubensis favors "infected mushroom"
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: mycoelf]
#14197352 - 03/28/11 11:33 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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iv heard the best music / sounds to use are Low frequency, very deep bass and violin. would like to see how this turns out.
i have notice better grow with my plants during the weeks that i have my dub playing loud.
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: dr harry bush]
#14197662 - 03/28/11 12:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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to me, it is a mix of the music and YOUR LOVE that stems from when you vibe to your music...and then that love is transferred to your work as well.
everything is a vibration. it is alive.
i hope you have a great day as well, and no matter what anyone says, listen to your own gut. You know something is giving the mycelium extra strength...its your love.
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: LSDilocybin]
#14198410 - 03/28/11 03:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I absolutely agree. I routinely sing to and talk to my mushrooms. When I'm unable to for whatever reason, they decline in vigour.
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: SpawnRun]
#14199472 - 03/28/11 07:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I also concur, when I wrap my para film I say a little prayer, "may the lady bless you and protect you from harm" Is that not the purpose of para film, ? to protect?
I Once was sub culturing onto petri's and was pissed at someone, upon realization of my mistake I stopped, took a 420 changed may attitude and resumed my work. The ones That were done in a poor state of mind I labeled differently then the ones done in a good state of mind. Not surprisingly the positive cultures were beautiful, the negative were stunted and mutated, not one usable culture. I learned that lesson a long time ago, after all are we not "magicians" (wizards) holding a magic wand (scalpel) doing majick?
When I shower before session I make sure that all of the negative things in my mind are at peace and put away, literally washed from my body and mind, It makes a difference. The quality of work and the results of work really show.
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: mycoelf]
#14200623 - 03/28/11 09:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm going to stick to the null hypothesis and go with no statistical difference. This is a subject that has received high exposure, especially within the plant kingdom. I'd imagine that orchid greenhouses would be blasting out Bach 24/7 if this made a difference, as commercial enterprise would jump on it - how much does an old set of speakers cost? I have seen evidence of it being detrimental, and in these studies the music had to be blasting - to the point of making mechanical vibrations that were enough to register a proven, statistically negative response. I'd also wager an enormous sample size is required, because the theory behind it doesn't ring true to my mind.
Plants nor fungi have been shown to have audio receptors, presumably because sounds are temporally fleeting. If I hear a lion in the distance I can run away, if grass hears a cow moo it's stuck in one place, and can't react. I'd guess there are some weird exceptions to this, but with the amount of research already conducted and the lack of commercial grow rooms using it, I believe it's more flight of fancy than Flight of the Conchords.
Good luck with it though - anyone carrying out experiments should be applauded, and if everyone listened to the nay-sayers all the time we'd be stuck in pre-history.
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: Feelers]
#14201042 - 03/28/11 10:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Feelers said: I'm going to stick to the null hypothesis and go with no statistical difference. This is a subject that has received high exposure, especially within the plant kingdom. I'd imagine that orchid greenhouses would be blasting out Bach 24/7 if this made a difference, as commercial enterprise would jump on it - how much does an old set of speakers cost? I have seen evidence of it being detrimental, and in these studies the music had to be blasting - to the point of making mechanical vibrations that were enough to register a proven, statistically negative response. I'd also wager an enormous sample size is required, because the theory behind it doesn't ring true to my mind.
Plants nor fungi have been shown to have audio receptors, presumably because sounds are temporally fleeting. If I hear a lion in the distance I can run away, if grass hears a cow moo it's stuck in one place, and can't react. I'd guess there are some weird exceptions to this, but with the amount of research already conducted and the lack of commercial grow rooms using it, I believe it's more flight of fancy than Flight of the Conchords.
Good luck with it though - anyone carrying out experiments should be applauded, and if everyone listened to the nay-sayers all the time we'd be stuck in pre-history.

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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: SpawnRun]
#14202172 - 03/29/11 03:30 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Simple, you stated that you got bored with your work so you began jamming music. Now you have no music and are still some what bored with your work so your enthusiasm and attention has declined as well.
Without the music it's more of a chore than a hobby to a degree and the music keeps you in a rhythym and focused. Now you have no music to keep you vibing and you have changed something in your process.
In turn, your daily tasks have become monotonous and your work has slightly altered due to a little boredom. I could very well be wrong but that's the impression i got from your post. It's not the music changing the mycelium it's the music(or lack there of) changing you.
For any newcomers to the hobby this means if you play music you will have very few contams... Kidding, but try it... May help you out. By the way, oysters like reggae best.
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: Feelers]
#14202738 - 03/29/11 08:55 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Feelers said: as commercial enterprise would jump on it
there has been, a product called sonic boom or sonic bloom. the more you read into it the more research you uncover.
i think it not only has to do with music but with the vibe or attitude you put out when you are around your beloved plants.
your attitude can change the whole atmosfere of a room effecting humans, animals and most probly plants.
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: dr harry bush]
#14202773 - 03/29/11 09:12 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I am a total noob with fungi, but have been growing plants both for personal pleasure as well as financial gain/ployment. I was educated in a highly regarded horticulture department in commercial ag/hort. When I was mass producing marijuana, I WAS able to note a 5-7 percent mass increase with the addition of nothing more than a radio set to classic rock. I was pretty set in my methods and experienced at the time this experiment took place. Unfortunately there is no control as I was forced to shut down after only two crops in my updated facility. Good luck with your work! bc
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: Maharishi_2_U]
#14205715 - 03/29/11 08:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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The Sonic Bloom web page gives me cause for concern. 
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The idea is that if you can hear the sound, the plants can respond to it. If the birds fly away and the dog runs for cover, you know the device is working as it sounds just like a major thunderstorm is approaching. This music actually helps the plants relax. The news that plants actually respond to sounds might shock you, but it is true. Plants do respond positively or negatively to sound. This particular set of sounds proved to be the most positive. The sounds of cutting, sawing, tearing, ripping, snipping, and caterwauling proved to be the least attractive to plants. Acid rock and heavy metal music sounds came in a close second. How does Sonic Bloom work? Sonic Bloom is a patented concept uses specific sound frequencies, which were found to be similar to those of birds' songs, to stimulate and increase the rate at which plants absorb nutrients. (But the research shows that the sound to which plants respond it that of an approaching thunderstorm.)
From the above quote; is it bird song or thunderstorms? Because I doubt the frequencies are in anyway related to each other, they would be at opposite ends of the (human) audio spectrum if anything. 
I did a bit more digging, and here are the items titled "Sonic Bloom Research".
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New Zealand’s Growing Today, May 1994. “The Sound and the Glory”,by Stephen
T L C for Plants, Canada’s leading gardening magazine, Tender Loving Care for Plants, Spring 1991 “Brave New Waves”, author Michael Spillane, Jones.
Acres, U.S.A., A Voice for Eco-Agriculture, 1985,‘86,’87,'98 Articles written by Christopher Bird. Charles Walters,
AgriAlternatives, July/August '98
Minneapolis Star Tribune, July 24, 1999 “Green Acres” By Deborah Caulfield Rybak
Bio/Tech News, Bio/Tech Publishing, Special Report, 2000. “SuperrrSONIC!”
Now I looked at the list to see what I considered having the most legitimate scientific potential, the bottom Bio/Tech Publishing link I thought might be some kind of journal. Turns out all the links have been indexed by one website - Here is that sites' homepage statement.
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We are in the time of the 7th Fire. The Seventh Fire is an American Indian prophecy that points toward a new way of conscious and cooperative living and being for all humans. We are the people of the 7th Fire: Neesh-wa-swi' ish-ko-day-kawn'.
I will point out that scientifically this music idea has been thrown out, and belongs within the realm of pseudoscience. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. For it to be proven I want to see the biological mechanism involved. I feel that to pay lip service to this idea is a great discredit to the scientific method.
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: Feelers]
#14206015 - 03/29/11 08:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I will point out that scientifically this music idea has been thrown out, and belongs within the realm of pseudoscience. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. For it to be proven I want to see the biological mechanism involved. I feel that to pay lip service to this idea is a great discredit to the scientific method.
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: magnumzero]
#14206342 - 03/29/11 09:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'll put my mushroom substrate performance up against anyone's and I don't play music at all, not even in the background. It makes me too nervous. RR
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: RogerRabbit]
#14207126 - 03/29/11 11:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'll put my mushroom substrate performance up against anyone's and I don't play music at all, not even in the background. It makes me too nervous. RR
Your still awesome to me and this is more focused on us working compared to contamination risk then it is the actual organisms response. I will work out correlation coefficients and get all the data analyzed when I finish.
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I will point out that scientifically this music idea has been thrown out, and belongs within the realm of pseudoscience. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. For it to be proven I want to see the biological mechanism involved. I feel that to pay lip service to this idea is a great discredit to the scientific method.
I will have either a microscope that can go up to 1000x with oil immersion in a few weeks or a SEM at my disposal soon so I will take you up on that.
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: TheShroomJew23]
#14208141 - 03/30/11 07:38 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm guessing your loud music sessions will produce beter results. Like you said, you actualy concentrate better on the task at hand with the loud music. I think if the music was relatively low the results would not be as conclusive.
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: trout]
#14208154 - 03/30/11 07:44 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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trout said: Like you said, you actualy concentrate better on the task at hand with the loud music.
Actually, the opposite is true. Loud noises are distracting to our senses. RR
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: TheShroomJew23]
#14208384 - 03/30/11 09:01 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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When I'm saying mechanism I'm meaning a chemical/mechanical reaction and it's mode of action. I have been looking extensivly for legitimate science papers on the subject amongst all the crap, and did find a few interesting (peer reviewed) articles.
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Ultrasound has been shown to have the greatest effect on plants, specifically on seed germination (for reviews, see Davidov, 1961; Timonin, 1966; Halstead and Vicario, 1969; Hageseth, 1974; Weinberger and Burton, 1981; Miyoshi and Mii, 1988). Timonin (1966) reported that ultrasound treatment altered the viscosity of macromolecule solutions in seeds. Near ultrasound (1.4 kHz, 0.095 kdb) was reported to increase metabolism in chrysanthemum roots, characterized by increases in amylase activity, soluble sugar, and protein (Yi et al., 2003). The treatment of chrysanthemum callus with 1.4 kHz sound increases indoleacetic acid levels while decreasing abscisic acid levels (Wang et al., 2004). The perception and response of plants to sound, more specifically music, has been a part of folklore (see Weinberger and Graefe, 1973) and the source of inspiration for countless primary and secondary school student science fair projects beginning in the 1940s (Klein and Edsall, 1965; personal observation). The influence of music, a complex mixture of notes, tones, amplitudes, and harmonics, on plant growth has been the subject of scientific debate for decades. Singh and Ponniah (1955a, b, 1963) reported on the stimulatory influence of music on plant growth in a number of species. Klein and Edsall (1965) reported no influence of a diverse selection of music, from classical to rock and roll, on the growth of Tagetes erecta L. Weinberger and colleagues conducted a number of studies on the influence of both music and single frequency sound, both in the audible and ultrasound range, on plant growth and seed germination and reported that sound can influence plant growth (Weinberger and Measures, 1968; Measures and Weinberger, 1970; Weinberger and Das, 1971; Weinberger and Graefe, 1973; Weinberger et al., 1979; Weinberger and Burton, 1981). Most recently, Creath, and Schwartz (2004) reported music increased the rate of seed germination in zucchini (Cucurbita pepo L.) and okra (Abelmoschus esculentus (L.) Moench).
It's a pretty messy picture, but I stand corrected; there may be something to it. However, I believe that all of the (positive or negative) results are related to the plants' internal chemistry being altered by sound waves, and not a reaction by the plant to the sound, which is an important distinction. See Sonochemistry...
For your experiment I would suggest not using music as it contains too many variables. A no-sound control, and maybe a batch with some sort of ultasound, a dog whistle perhaps? From what I've read thus far, sound seems to be a blunt instrument that can swing either way. It's definitely not just a simple "play music to get more growth" phenomenon, the interactions are incredibly complex, and difficult to define.
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: Feelers]
#14210517 - 03/30/11 04:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hey feelers, I have looked at those articles to and I actually just used one for a grant I am filling out on this very subject. If all goes well, come this fall, I will be able to scientifically re-complete and settle this project beyond all doubt.
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: TheShroomJew23]
#14210666 - 03/30/11 05:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I may be wrong but sometimes loud music allows me block out other distracting thoughts and focus on a mundane task. If doing something repetitive or boring the mind wandering to other thoughts can be more distracting than the loud music. No I would not want to take a test with loud music but tying flies for fishing(very repetitive, hundreds at a time) I am able to produce more and better products with the music blasting. Silence makes me go crazy and my mind wanders and focus lapses. A type of non-detrimental distraction if you will.
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: TheShroomJew23]
#14231709 - 04/03/11 03:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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TheShroomJew23 said: It will be electronica, dubstep, house, and maybe some classical.
Shrooms grow best to: Alice in Chains, Portishead, Sohodolls and the Smiths
9 out of 17 punks agree!
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: blue_lotus]
#14234148 - 04/03/11 11:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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So I plated 14 different cultures over 30 plates this week. I did 25 bags, 10 logs, and 4 trays. One plate contaminated, one bag didn't catch but I think its just going slow. No logs are showing problems and one tray got green and one got cob but the cob should be gone soon.
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods *DELETED* [Re: TheShroomJew23]
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Post deleted by RogerRabbitReason for deletion: off topic nonsense.
Edited by iluvfungi (04/04/11 10:16 AM)
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: iluvfungi]
#14240152 - 04/05/11 03:33 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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iluvfungi said: Cool man. I work well most of the day trading penny stock. I listen to electronic music 24 hours a day, I play it nonstop. I have other wack jobs; like offing people, painting and having sex. It's just amazing that some people feel the need to contribute financially after you give them some orgasmic sex. It's great being bi-sexual, and dominant; women and men just get off on really dominate sex.
I typically schedule daily appointments for sex after my 6:30AM-1PM stock trading hours. I like 2 PM for the most part. If that is your thing, I'm in Downtown Oakland and you can have your turn as well; just contact me, thanx.
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: Hitsuzen]
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: fungitobewith]
#14265135 - 04/10/11 12:32 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm surprised that didn't get more responses. Fucking bizarre.
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: Hitsuzen]
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DrGonz0 said: I'm surprised that didn't get more responses. Fucking bizarre.
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: fungitobewith]
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I ignored it, by the way my culture contamination rate was down with music but my log and tray rate was up. As earlier discussed the mycelium reaction cannot be judged.
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: Feelers]
#14289325 - 04/14/11 10:48 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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For it to be proven I want to see the biological mechanism involved.
Lots of effects get proven without a conclusive understanding of the mechanism. OP has already proposed a plausible hypothetical mechanism - the effect of music on human performance. If s/he can show an statistically significant effect, s/he can then begin figuring out what mechanism fits the data, and how to test it further.
If s/he wants to go to all that trouble, anyway.
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: raughter]
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I remember an episode of Mythbusters that approached this problem. I know they aren't the final word on scientific rigor, but it is interesting nonetheless 
They had sets of greenhouses on a roof, each playing different types of music to their plants, as well as controls with no music. They had a few where they played recordings of the planters speaking encouraging, soothing, and uplifting words to the plants, and others playing angry hateful words to them.
The greenhouse that produced the tallest and happiest plants out of all the others?
Well that was the one blasting 24/7 metal. Pounding, thrashing metal. Some food for thought.
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: whiteelephant]
#14296064 - 04/15/11 02:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don't think the mycelium has a preference in music, I think it's more or less whatever you particularly like and are listening to, you get better results and it shows in your work. If you are listening to something you don't have a particular interest in, and are working, it might show in your work.
On a similar note, with plants and music, it doesn't help them grow unless the gardener is singing. The extra boosts of CO2, especially in a greenhouse has been known to slightly boost growth.
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: Microppose]
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: SpawnRun]
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To see if the vibrations from different frequency sound waves make a difference (very loud bass frequencies from your speakers) or whether it helps you maintain some sort of rhythm that helps you concentrate, I would try an additional week of just headphones (so one week no music, one week loud music, and then one week headphones)?
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: Feelers]
#14340921 - 04/23/11 10:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Feelers said: I will point out that scientifically this music idea has been thrown out, and belongs within the realm of pseudoscience. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. For it to be proven I want to see the biological mechanism involved. I feel that to pay lip service to this idea is a great discredit to the scientific method.
How can you assume that any mycelial response to sound is traceable to a biological mechanism?
I wouldn't immediately assume that mycelium's unresponsive to sound just because it doesn't have ears (or some fungi equivalent). I wouldn't assume either that sound consists only of the wavelengths we've managed to notice & categorize.
Scientific reductionism... 
Not to say science is bunk, I am a big fan of scientific rigor and its intrepid unravelling of mysteries. Just suggesting perhaps when it comes to unravelling mushrooms, it might be a worthwhile to take a beshroomed perspective.
If the OP's cultures respond to the OP's music, and he proves to himself through experiments that it wasn't just a one-off thing, then it's true for him! Not so sure we need to know WHY... (although it would drive me nuts wondering)
I'm eagerly awaiting the results of the experiment!
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: SKrink]
#14409028 - 05/06/11 08:17 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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What you should do is wear earplugs and gun muff headphones while you work. To try and eliminate your pleasure of listening to music from being a variable in this.
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: scatmanrav]
#14411424 - 05/06/11 05:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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im going to say that the music helps people get in the zone and possibly cause less contamination's cos you're just so concentrated but the music wont help the mycelium growth dont know if this is at all relevant but in yr 10 we grew wheat seeds and blasted 10 batch's with music and 10 had silence, they both got a green mould growing on them and it was pretty much exactly in proportion on both tests
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: SKrink]
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How can you assume that any mycelial response to sound is traceable to a biological mechanism?
Well, if it's responding to sound in any way there must be something going on at a biological level. I postulated in my other post that the sound might be a physical mechanism through sonochemistry that would result in a chemical change within the cells, altering their biology.
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SKrink said: I wouldn't assume either that sound consists only of the wavelengths we've managed to notice & categorize.
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Wikipedia said: Sound is a mechanical wave that is an oscillation of pressure transmitted through a solid, liquid, or gas, composed of frequencies within the range of hearing and of a level sufficiently strong to be heard, or the sensation stimulated in organs of hearing by such vibrations.[1]
Although I love mushrooms and everything to do with them, anthropomorphism runs rampant within the community. Even Paul Stamets talks about mushrooms being Mother Natures' neural network, and that we might be able to talk to them. Stuff that is just flat out - no holds barred nonsense. There is no evidence for it. I have a high respect for his work and achievements, and would love to meet him. But as a scientist that sort of talk is inexcusable.
It's way too easy to say to critics like me that I need to open my mind. My mind is open, and I'm willing to change it. Already in this thread I did some research and found some real information.
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Feelers said: It's a pretty messy picture, but I stand corrected; there may be something to it. 
But the ethos still stands, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. When someone can show me that, I'm big enough to accept when I'm wrong. The next best thing to being proven right in science, is to be proven wrong.
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: Feelers]
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I think more than the music it self it has to do with frequencies
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: luluzuluwoundtdou]
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Loud music with a sub bass is felt as much as it is heard (or maybe more than?) so its an interesting observation. Shiitake mycelium in logs apparently responds positively to the shock of being struck so perhaps some sort of response to the throbbing vibrations of an amplified mycolab venue as described might not require the mycelium to be hearing the music. A decent sub seems like it is going to physically impact everything in that lab quite nicely.
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: kotter]
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I made a post about orgonite and the affect on mushrooms. Not that his is similar but it has a common denominator and thats frequency changes. I believe tht might have to do with it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_Life_of_Plants_(film)
This is the answer your looking for if your wondering what affect your thoughts have.
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: luluzuluwoundtdou]
#14422940 - 05/09/11 01:55 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wikipedia said Several scientific studies were shown and discussed that showed enough evidence to remove all doubt of an ancient truth; that plants have a consciousness.
I have a few issues with this article . Anyone know how to flag Wikipedia articles for a neutral point of view?
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: Feelers]
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any updates?
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