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RogerRabbit
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: trout]
#14208154 - 03/30/11 07:44 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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trout said: Like you said, you actualy concentrate better on the task at hand with the loud music.
Actually, the opposite is true. Loud noises are distracting to our senses. RR
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: TheShroomJew23]
#14208384 - 03/30/11 09:01 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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When I'm saying mechanism I'm meaning a chemical/mechanical reaction and it's mode of action. I have been looking extensivly for legitimate science papers on the subject amongst all the crap, and did find a few interesting (peer reviewed) articles.
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Ultrasound has been shown to have the greatest effect on plants, specifically on seed germination (for reviews, see Davidov, 1961; Timonin, 1966; Halstead and Vicario, 1969; Hageseth, 1974; Weinberger and Burton, 1981; Miyoshi and Mii, 1988). Timonin (1966) reported that ultrasound treatment altered the viscosity of macromolecule solutions in seeds. Near ultrasound (1.4 kHz, 0.095 kdb) was reported to increase metabolism in chrysanthemum roots, characterized by increases in amylase activity, soluble sugar, and protein (Yi et al., 2003). The treatment of chrysanthemum callus with 1.4 kHz sound increases indoleacetic acid levels while decreasing abscisic acid levels (Wang et al., 2004). The perception and response of plants to sound, more specifically music, has been a part of folklore (see Weinberger and Graefe, 1973) and the source of inspiration for countless primary and secondary school student science fair projects beginning in the 1940s (Klein and Edsall, 1965; personal observation). The influence of music, a complex mixture of notes, tones, amplitudes, and harmonics, on plant growth has been the subject of scientific debate for decades. Singh and Ponniah (1955a, b, 1963) reported on the stimulatory influence of music on plant growth in a number of species. Klein and Edsall (1965) reported no influence of a diverse selection of music, from classical to rock and roll, on the growth of Tagetes erecta L. Weinberger and colleagues conducted a number of studies on the influence of both music and single frequency sound, both in the audible and ultrasound range, on plant growth and seed germination and reported that sound can influence plant growth (Weinberger and Measures, 1968; Measures and Weinberger, 1970; Weinberger and Das, 1971; Weinberger and Graefe, 1973; Weinberger et al., 1979; Weinberger and Burton, 1981). Most recently, Creath, and Schwartz (2004) reported music increased the rate of seed germination in zucchini (Cucurbita pepo L.) and okra (Abelmoschus esculentus (L.) Moench).
It's a pretty messy picture, but I stand corrected; there may be something to it. However, I believe that all of the (positive or negative) results are related to the plants' internal chemistry being altered by sound waves, and not a reaction by the plant to the sound, which is an important distinction. See Sonochemistry...
For your experiment I would suggest not using music as it contains too many variables. A no-sound control, and maybe a batch with some sort of ultasound, a dog whistle perhaps? From what I've read thus far, sound seems to be a blunt instrument that can swing either way. It's definitely not just a simple "play music to get more growth" phenomenon, the interactions are incredibly complex, and difficult to define.
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TheShroomJew23
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: Feelers]
#14210517 - 03/30/11 04:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hey feelers, I have looked at those articles to and I actually just used one for a grant I am filling out on this very subject. If all goes well, come this fall, I will be able to scientifically re-complete and settle this project beyond all doubt.
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: TheShroomJew23]
#14210666 - 03/30/11 05:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I may be wrong but sometimes loud music allows me block out other distracting thoughts and focus on a mundane task. If doing something repetitive or boring the mind wandering to other thoughts can be more distracting than the loud music. No I would not want to take a test with loud music but tying flies for fishing(very repetitive, hundreds at a time) I am able to produce more and better products with the music blasting. Silence makes me go crazy and my mind wanders and focus lapses. A type of non-detrimental distraction if you will.
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: TheShroomJew23]
#14231709 - 04/03/11 03:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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TheShroomJew23 said: It will be electronica, dubstep, house, and maybe some classical.
Shrooms grow best to: Alice in Chains, Portishead, Sohodolls and the Smiths
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TheShroomJew23
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: blue_lotus]
#14234148 - 04/03/11 11:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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So I plated 14 different cultures over 30 plates this week. I did 25 bags, 10 logs, and 4 trays. One plate contaminated, one bag didn't catch but I think its just going slow. No logs are showing problems and one tray got green and one got cob but the cob should be gone soon.
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods *DELETED* [Re: TheShroomJew23]
#14235101 - 04/04/11 08:00 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Post deleted by RogerRabbitReason for deletion: off topic nonsense.
Edited by iluvfungi (04/04/11 10:16 AM)
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Hitsuzen
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: iluvfungi]
#14240152 - 04/05/11 03:33 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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iluvfungi said: Cool man. I work well most of the day trading penny stock. I listen to electronic music 24 hours a day, I play it nonstop. I have other wack jobs; like offing people, painting and having sex. It's just amazing that some people feel the need to contribute financially after you give them some orgasmic sex. It's great being bi-sexual, and dominant; women and men just get off on really dominate sex.
I typically schedule daily appointments for sex after my 6:30AM-1PM stock trading hours. I like 2 PM for the most part. If that is your thing, I'm in Downtown Oakland and you can have your turn as well; just contact me, thanx.
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: Hitsuzen]
#14264795 - 04/09/11 10:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: fungitobewith]
#14265135 - 04/10/11 12:32 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm surprised that didn't get more responses. Fucking bizarre.
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: Hitsuzen]
#14265213 - 04/10/11 12:59 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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DrGonz0 said: I'm surprised that didn't get more responses. Fucking bizarre.
Quite!!!!
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TheShroomJew23
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: fungitobewith]
#14265547 - 04/10/11 04:29 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I ignored it, by the way my culture contamination rate was down with music but my log and tray rate was up. As earlier discussed the mycelium reaction cannot be judged.
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raughter
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: Feelers]
#14289325 - 04/14/11 10:48 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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For it to be proven I want to see the biological mechanism involved.
Lots of effects get proven without a conclusive understanding of the mechanism. OP has already proposed a plausible hypothetical mechanism - the effect of music on human performance. If s/he can show an statistically significant effect, s/he can then begin figuring out what mechanism fits the data, and how to test it further.
If s/he wants to go to all that trouble, anyway.
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: raughter]
#14289603 - 04/14/11 11:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I remember an episode of Mythbusters that approached this problem. I know they aren't the final word on scientific rigor, but it is interesting nonetheless 
They had sets of greenhouses on a roof, each playing different types of music to their plants, as well as controls with no music. They had a few where they played recordings of the planters speaking encouraging, soothing, and uplifting words to the plants, and others playing angry hateful words to them.
The greenhouse that produced the tallest and happiest plants out of all the others?
Well that was the one blasting 24/7 metal. Pounding, thrashing metal. Some food for thought.
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: whiteelephant]
#14296064 - 04/15/11 02:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don't think the mycelium has a preference in music, I think it's more or less whatever you particularly like and are listening to, you get better results and it shows in your work. If you are listening to something you don't have a particular interest in, and are working, it might show in your work.
On a similar note, with plants and music, it doesn't help them grow unless the gardener is singing. The extra boosts of CO2, especially in a greenhouse has been known to slightly boost growth.
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: Microppose]
#14313624 - 04/18/11 08:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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zydisqwap
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: SpawnRun]
#14314756 - 04/18/11 11:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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To see if the vibrations from different frequency sound waves make a difference (very loud bass frequencies from your speakers) or whether it helps you maintain some sort of rhythm that helps you concentrate, I would try an additional week of just headphones (so one week no music, one week loud music, and then one week headphones)?
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SKrink
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: Feelers]
#14340921 - 04/23/11 10:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Feelers said: I will point out that scientifically this music idea has been thrown out, and belongs within the realm of pseudoscience. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. For it to be proven I want to see the biological mechanism involved. I feel that to pay lip service to this idea is a great discredit to the scientific method.
How can you assume that any mycelial response to sound is traceable to a biological mechanism?
I wouldn't immediately assume that mycelium's unresponsive to sound just because it doesn't have ears (or some fungi equivalent). I wouldn't assume either that sound consists only of the wavelengths we've managed to notice & categorize.
Scientific reductionism... 
Not to say science is bunk, I am a big fan of scientific rigor and its intrepid unravelling of mysteries. Just suggesting perhaps when it comes to unravelling mushrooms, it might be a worthwhile to take a beshroomed perspective.
If the OP's cultures respond to the OP's music, and he proves to himself through experiments that it wasn't just a one-off thing, then it's true for him! Not so sure we need to know WHY... (although it would drive me nuts wondering)
I'm eagerly awaiting the results of the experiment!
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: SKrink]
#14409028 - 05/06/11 08:17 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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What you should do is wear earplugs and gun muff headphones while you work. To try and eliminate your pleasure of listening to music from being a variable in this.
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Re: For all of us that work insane hours in front of hoods [Re: scatmanrav]
#14411424 - 05/06/11 05:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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im going to say that the music helps people get in the zone and possibly cause less contamination's cos you're just so concentrated but the music wont help the mycelium growth dont know if this is at all relevant but in yr 10 we grew wheat seeds and blasted 10 batch's with music and 10 had silence, they both got a green mould growing on them and it was pretty much exactly in proportion on both tests
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