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Its so exciting to think about death
#14195542 - 03/27/11 11:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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And everything that will come before then.
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Re: Its so exciting to think about death [Re: The_Ghost]
#14195548 - 03/28/11 12:02 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I always feel like death is this awesome mystery, truly the final mystery of ones life.
I'm not saying I don't have moments where my mortality is glaring me in the face, the thought of an impending death I have little control over (generally speaking)...
But I also revere death. And the dead.
-------------------- Men look at themselves and they see flawed humans, we look at women and we see perfect GODDESSES Women look at themselves and they seem utterly human, when looking at men they see proud GODS. ~Casil
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Re: Its so exciting to think about death [Re: Todcasil]
#14195584 - 03/28/11 12:09 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Todcasil said: I always feel like death is this awesome mystery, truly the final mystery of ones life.
I'm not saying I don't have moments where my mortality is glaring me in the face, the thought of an impending death I have little control over (generally speaking)...
But I also revere death. And the dead.
I know. And i see that you do too.
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Re: Its so exciting to think about death [Re: The_Ghost]
#14195596 - 03/28/11 12:13 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Particularly, how do you see this? Just from my posts?
-------------------- Men look at themselves and they see flawed humans, we look at women and we see perfect GODDESSES Women look at themselves and they seem utterly human, when looking at men they see proud GODS. ~Casil
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Re: Its so exciting to think about death [Re: The_Ghost]
#14195605 - 03/28/11 12:15 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Death makes fools of us all.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: Its so exciting to think about death [Re: Todcasil]
#14195606 - 03/28/11 12:15 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Todcasil said: Particularly, how do you see this? Just from my posts? 
These posts are but a tip of the iceberg of information exchange.
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Re: Its so exciting to think about death [Re: The_Ghost]
#14195642 - 03/28/11 12:22 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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"im not living.. im just killing time." this is my first post in a minute. hi everyone. lets go die.. eventually.
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Re: Its so exciting to think about death [Re: Poid]
#14195648 - 03/28/11 12:23 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Poid said: Death makes fools of us all. 
"...And gives us angel wings where our shoulders are... Smooth as ravens claws."
-------------------- Men look at themselves and they see flawed humans, we look at women and we see perfect GODDESSES Women look at themselves and they seem utterly human, when looking at men they see proud GODS. ~Casil
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Re: Its so exciting to think about death [Re: h00ligaN]
#14195649 - 03/28/11 12:23 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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h00ligaN said: "im not living.. im just killing time." this is my first post in a minute. hi everyone. lets go die.. eventually.
i like your style
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Re: Its so exciting to think about death [Re: DeliciousVinyl]
#14195654 - 03/28/11 12:24 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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DeliciousVinyl said:
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h00ligaN said: "im not living.. im just killing time." this is my first post in a minute. hi everyone. lets go die.. eventually.
i like your style 
i like the style of liking styles.
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Re: Its so exciting to think about death [Re: The_Ghost]
#14195665 - 03/28/11 12:26 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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The_Ghost said:
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Todcasil said: Particularly, how do you see this? Just from my posts? 
These posts are but a tip of the iceberg of information exchange.
I see you now!
I am but an egg.
-------------------- Men look at themselves and they see flawed humans, we look at women and we see perfect GODDESSES Women look at themselves and they seem utterly human, when looking at men they see proud GODS. ~Casil
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Re: Its so exciting to think about death [Re: h00ligaN]
#14195671 - 03/28/11 12:27 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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and for fucks sake. how can death be a mystery when we've done it so many times? its instinctual. its like being 8 and wondering what sex will be like.. being afraid... and getting it on and.. i hope you've had an orgasam, cause if not im sure this analogy has left you feeling dumb. much like my first sexual experience. but i was never afraid.
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Re: Its so exciting to think about death [Re: h00ligaN]
#14195688 - 03/28/11 12:30 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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h00ligaN said: and for fucks sake. how can death be a mystery when we've done it so many times? its instinctual. its like being 8 and wondering what sex will be like.. being afraid... and getting it on and.. i hope you've had an orgasam, cause if not im sure this analogy has left you feeling dumb. much like my first sexual experience. but i was never afraid.
I like that take on the matter.
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Re: Its so exciting to think about death [Re: Todcasil]
#14195698 - 03/28/11 12:32 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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One time I laughed so hard I was born. When the joke finishes, I'll go back to sleep.
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Re: Its so exciting to think about death [Re: The_Ghost]
#14195703 - 03/28/11 12:33 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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The_Ghost said:
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DeliciousVinyl said:
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h00ligaN said: "im not living.. im just killing time." this is my first post in a minute. hi everyone. lets go die.. eventually.
i like your style 
i like the style of liking styles.

we shroomerites got style out the wazoo
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Re: Its so exciting to think about death [Re: The_Ghost]
#14195706 - 03/28/11 12:33 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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are you trying to fuck me or kill me? its not that i care so much, but the paperwork is redonkulous.
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Re: Its so exciting to think about death [Re: Todcasil]
#14195710 - 03/28/11 12:34 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Todcasil said:
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Poid said: Death makes fools of us all. 
"...And gives us angel wings where our shoulders are... Smooth as ravens claws."
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: Its so exciting to think about death [Re: Poid]
#14195731 - 03/28/11 12:41 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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well.. it is exciting. i was drawn to this thread because essentially what you are talking about is "time". we were always dead. just a little more alive earlier. im not an 'eeyore' im a dude who just realizes that the last moment might be my last.
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Re: Its so exciting to think about death [Re: h00ligaN]
#14195736 - 03/28/11 12:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think people turn death into something exciting because they are utterly afraid of it.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: Its so exciting to think about death [Re: Poid]
#14195738 - 03/28/11 12:44 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Death and Life regularly give each other analingus. Love at first sight.
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Re: Its so exciting to think about death [Re: h00ligaN]
#14195739 - 03/28/11 12:44 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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death is seriously man... utter relaxation. IMO
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Re: Its so exciting to think about death [Re: The Whale]
#14195746 - 03/28/11 12:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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The Whale said: Death and Life regularly give each other analingus. Love at first sight.

Wow, that is an amazingly beautiful picture, I wish I took it.
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Re: Its so exciting to think about death [Re: h00ligaN]
#14195754 - 03/28/11 12:47 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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when you true true truely dont fear death instead of saying something like "dude we almost died back there!" you say "dude im still alive!" halfempty halffullofshit scenario. oh and im posting from the otherside if it helps my credibility.
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Re: Its so exciting to think about death [Re: h00ligaN]
#14195762 - 03/28/11 12:50 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Anxiety and Fear
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Two influential theories dominated thinking about death anxiety and fear until the late twentieth century. Sigmund Freud (1856–1939) had the first say. The founder of psychoanalysis recognized that people sometimes did express fears of death. Nevertheless, thanatophobia, as he called it, was merely a disguise for a deeper source of concern. It was not death that people feared because:
Our own death is indeed quite unimaginable, and whenever we make the attempt to imagine it we . . . really survive as spectators. . . . At bottom nobody believes in his own death, or to put the same thing in a different way, in the unconscious every one of us is convinced of his own immortality. (Freud 1953, pp. 304–305)
The unconscious does not deal with the passage of time nor with negations. That one's life could and would end just does not compute. Furthermore, whatever one fears cannot be death because one has never died. People who express death-related fears, then, actually are trying to deal with unresolved childhood conflicts that they cannot bring themselves to acknowledge and discuss openly.
Freud's reduction of death concern to a neurotic cover-up did not receive a strong challenge until Ernest Becker's 1973 book, The Denial of Death . Becker's existential view turned death anxiety theory on its head. Not only is death anxiety real, but it is people's most profound source of concern. This anxiety is so intense that it generates many if not all of the specific fears and phobias people experience in everyday life. Fears of being alone or in a confined space, for example, are fears whose connections with death anxiety are relatively easy to trace, but so are the needs for bright lights and noise. It is more comfortable, more in keeping with one's self-image, to transform the underlying anxiety into a variety of smaller aversions.
According to Becker, much of people's daily behavior consists of attempts to deny death and thereby keep their basic anxiety under control. People would have a difficult time controlling their anxiety, though, if alarming realities continued to intrude and if they were exposed to brutal reminders of their vulnerability. Becker also suggested that this is where society plays its role. No function of society is more crucial than its strengthening of individual defenses against death anxiety. Becker's analysis of society convinced him that many beliefs and practices are in the service of death denial, that is, reducing the experience of anxiety. Funeral homes with their flowers and homilies, and the medical system with its evasions, are only among the more obvious societal elements that join with individuals to maintain the fiction that there is nothing to fear.
Ritualistic behavior on the part of both individuals and social institutions generally has the underlying purpose of channeling and finding employment for what otherwise would surface as disorganizing death anxiety. Schizophrenics suffer as they do because their fragile defenses fail to protect them against the terror of annihilation. "Normal" people in a "normal" society function more competently in everyday life because they have succeeded at least temporarily in denying death.
Other approaches to understanding death anxiety and fear were introduced in the late twentieth century. Terror management theory is based on studies finding that people who felt better about themselves also reported having less death-related anxiety. These data immediately suggested possibilities for preventing or reducing disturbingly high levels of death anxiety: Help people to develop strong self-esteem and they are less likely to be disabled by death anxiety. If self-esteem serves as a buffer against anxiety, might not society also be serving this function just as Becker had suggested? People seem to derive protection against death anxiety from worldview faith as well as from their own self-esteem. "Worldview faith" can be understood as religious belief or some other conviction that human life is meaningful, as well as general confidence that society is just and caring.
Another fresh approach, regret theory, was proposed in 1996 by Adrian Tomer and Grafton Eliason. Regret theory focuses on the way in which people evaluate the quality or worth of their lives. The prospect of death is likely to make people more anxious if they feel that they have not and cannot accomplish something good in life. People might torment themselves with regrets over past failures and missed opportunities or with thoughts of future accomplishments and experiences that will not be possible. Regret theory (similar in some respects to Robert Butler's life review approach) also has implications for anxiety reduction. People can reconsider their memories and expectations, for example, and also discover how to live more fully in the present moment.
Robert Kastenbaum suggests that people might not need a special theory for death anxiety and fear. Instead, they can make use of mainstream research in the field of life span development. Anxiety may have roots in people's physical being, but it is through personal experiences and social encounters that they learn what might harm them and, therefore, what they should fear. These fears also bear the marks of sociohistorical circumstances. For example, fear of the dead was salient in many preliterate societies throughout the world, while fear of being buried alive became widespread in nineteenth-century Europe and America. In modern times many people express the somewhat related fear of being sustained in a persistent vegetative state between life and death. Death-related fears, then, develop within particular social contexts and particular individual experiences. People do not have to rely upon the untested and perhaps untestable opposing views of Freud and Becker—that they are either incapable of experiencing death anxiety, or that death anxiety is the source of all fears. It is more useful to observe how their fears as well as their joys and enthusiasms are influenced by the interaction between cognitive development and social learning experiences. In this way people will be in a better position to help the next generation learn to identify actual threats to their lives while not overreacting to all possible alarms all the time.
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Re: Its so exciting to think about death [Re: h00ligaN]
#14195767 - 03/28/11 12:51 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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h00ligaN said: well.. it is exciting. i was drawn to this thread because essentially what you are talking about is "time". we were always dead. just a little more alive earlier. im not an 'eeyore' im a dude who just realizes that the last moment might be my last.
I like the way you think.
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