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Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention?
    #1419539 - 03/31/03 08:57 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

i think it is apparant that the war in Iraq will not and has not been played by rules of International law. With that said should the United States start fighting dirty? If not then why not and if so, why?

Many pro-Saddam and Anti-American people on this site see no problem with the iraqi's targeting civilian targets but if the United States causes some sort of colateral damage due to the Iraqi's parking "Triple A" in mosques, schools and hospitals they are the great evil.

Where do you stand? If you're against the US using these tactics but want to allow saddam to do this, explain your contradiction.


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1419542 - 03/31/03 09:01 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

>i think it is apparant that the war in Iraq will not and has not been played by rules of International law. With that said should the United States start fighting dirty? If not then why not and if so, why?

LOL, Start?

Let me ask you this,

Is the entire rest of the world except Spain, England, and Australia pro-Saddam because they aren't helping us?

Is the pope pro-Sadam?

How far are you willing to take this "you're either with us or you're with the terrorororrists" dualistic idiotic mindset?

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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1419544 - 03/31/03 09:04 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

I believe that we must take all possible measures to limit the number of civilian casualties. If we do not we are no better than Saddam. We must hold ourselves to a higher standard.


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: z@z.com]
    #1419545 - 03/31/03 09:06 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

> believe that we must take all possible measures to limit the number of civilian casualties. If we do not we are no better than Saddam. We must hold ourselves to a higher standard.


Too late.


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1419549 - 03/31/03 09:12 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

According to the information we have we are fighting differently in this war than the opposing side. We should have a higher standard if we are in the right.

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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: ]
    #1419555 - 03/31/03 09:16 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

I'm not sure but correct me if I'm wrong...

I think the Geneva convention was against the idea of one country invading another country when the reason for doing so was never substantiated and the vague reasons given are backed up only by forged or fake evidence.


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: friartuck]
    #1419557 - 03/31/03 09:20 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

I don't really know if it dealt with proper reasons for going to war. I guess that shows how much I know about it. (not much)

I only know it says a lot about the terms of how to fight and treat pow's.

Someone should post a link.

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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: ]
    #1419562 - 03/31/03 09:26 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

>I don't really know if it dealt with proper reasons for going to war. I guess that shows how much I know about it. (not much)

Like I said, I was guessing, but I think it's a pretty save assumption that the terms of the conventions deals with the reasons for starting a war. In fact now that I think about it I think that the only time war is justified is when it is the last resort, which was certainly not the case this time around.


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: friartuck]
    #1419573 - 03/31/03 09:35 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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Let me ask you this, ignoramus...




good one, do i have to make you look bad again?

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Is the entire rest of the world except Spain, England, and Australia pro-Saddam because they aren't helping us?





where and when did i say this? If you're going to just make up things to argue about then feel free to start a thread titled " Hi, i'm Doobie and i want to babble".

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Is the pope pro-Sadam?




see above, when have i mentioned this?

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How far are you willing to take this "you're either with us or you're with the terrorororrists" dualistic idiotic mindset?




there are self proclaimed saddam supporters on this site, feel free to read once in a while.


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: z@z.com]
    #1419575 - 03/31/03 09:40 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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I believe that we must take all possible measures to limit the number of civilian casualties. If we do not we are no better than Saddam. We must hold ourselves to a higher standard.




I agree, i'm just playing devils advocate. Apparantly frier, AKA Doobie didn't see that.


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: friartuck]
    #1419579 - 03/31/03 09:44 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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I think the Geneva convention was against the idea of one country invading another country when the reason for doing so was never substantiated and the vague reasons given are backed up only by forged or fake evidence




is this the same place you got your information on the ABM treaty? 1441 clearly states what would happen to iraq if they didn't comply.


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1419586 - 03/31/03 09:48 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

>1441 clearly states what would happen to iraq if they didn't comply.



Actually, that's one of the vaguest parts of the war...what's it say "severe consequences" wtf does that mean anyway wtf wtf wtf, if only we listened to France instead of making fun of their armpits.


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1419604 - 03/31/03 10:05 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

"Many pro-Saddam and Anti-American people on this site see no problem with the iraqi's targeting civilian targets"

Who has said this?

I don't think anyone is for civillian targets being bombed. Nobody wants to allow Saddam to bomb civillians.

Are the Iraqis actually putting their targets next to schools and hospitals? I heard people saying they were going to before the war started, but I haven't actually heard any reports of this happening. Sounds like propaganda to me.

The reason people are standing up against the US comitting war crimes, and not Iraq, is that the US is their country, and is supposed to be a democracy. Bush is supposed to listen to his people, while it's well established that Saddam doesn't give a fuck what protesters have to say.


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1419608 - 03/31/03 10:10 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

Why should we not fight dirty? Since when has two wrongs ever equaled one right? As it was said before, we should be holding ourselves to a high set of standards. Saddam, who if he has used civilians as shields, and caught alive, will be punished for war crimes. If Bush were to use the same tactics, he should be punished for the same.

And just one question, who are the "Pro-Saddam" people? I've yet to see a one.  :crazy: Or are these just the people that oppose the war, and your viewpoint, so you feel the need to slander them?


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: Phluck]
    #1419611 - 03/31/03 10:13 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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Are the Iraqis actually putting their targets next to schools and hospitals? I heard people saying they were going to before the war started, but I haven't actually heard any reports of this happening. Sounds like propaganda to me.




according to news reports they're doing so. But i'll concede that it is just reports. You'd have to admit that it is not beyond the realm of possibility in the Iraqi world. I'm am not so insulated that i can't believe some of what's coming to us through our media, ie: republican guards shooting at civilians, suicide bombers etc.

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Bush is supposed to listen to his people, while it's well established that Saddam doesn't give a fuck what protesters have to say.




and he is according to about 78% approving the way the war is being fought.

Like i said, this question was more of a devils advocate stance. I think WE should always fight according to this law, too bad we are going to be the only side to do it.


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1419614 - 03/31/03 10:18 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

if France invaded another country despite the wishes of the Security Council, and the US was against it, our government would be freaking out hardcore.


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1419616 - 03/31/03 10:19 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

Could you link me to a post where someone supports Saddam?


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: Phluck]
    #1419620 - 03/31/03 10:24 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

i believe we are fighting dirty enough invading a country, killing innocent civilians, and labeling people who are fighting for their country, "terrorists".

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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: Phluck]
    #1419625 - 03/31/03 10:29 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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I'd say the pro-saddam supporters would be Rhizo, Zahid and to some extent or another Alex.


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: ]
    #1419626 - 03/31/03 10:31 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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i believe we are fighting dirty enough invading a country, killing innocent civilians, and labeling people who are fighting for their country, "terrorists".




so you thinbk it's ok for us to use any means neccesary to topple saddam?


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: friartuck]
    #1419627 - 03/31/03 10:32 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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Actually, that's one of the vaguest parts of the war...what's it say "severe consequences" wtf does that mean anyway wtf wtf wtf, if only we listened to France instead of making fun of their armpits.




it was only vague to those that wanted it to be.


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: Phluck]
    #1419640 - 03/31/03 10:40 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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The reason people are standing up against the US comitting war crimes, and not Iraq, is that the US is their country, and is supposed to be a democracy. Bush is supposed to listen to his people, while it's well established that Saddam doesn't give a fuck what protesters have to say.




We are not a democracy. We have never been a democracy. God willing we will never be a democracy.


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: ]
    #1419646 - 03/31/03 10:45 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

As requested, here is a link to the full text of the Geneva Conventions.

I don't think there's anything in the Geneva Conventions covering reasons for going to war. That would be covered in the United Nations Charter (another treaty which the US ratified).


Innvertigo, there is one obvious reason the US should abide by the Geneval Conventions. It is US law as well as international law. They were ratified by the Senate, and, according to the Constitution, that makes them US law.

Surely you could not mean to suggest that because a criminal violates the law that our police officers (or military, in foreign engagements) enforcing the law should be able to violate the law with impunity? Our society is based on the rule of law, not men. If we were to discard this idea we remove the basis for our authority to enforce those same laws.

Note that the oath taken by all members of our military service (and government officials) is as follows:

''I, (state your name), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.''

If Iraqis are violating the Geneva Conventions, then they are criminals and should be prosecuted as such. If any of our troops violate them, they should be subject to exactly the same prosecution (as required under the Geneva Conventions).


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: ToxicMan]
    #1419651 - 03/31/03 10:49 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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Innvertigo, there is one obvious reason the US should abide by the Geneval Conventions. It is US law as well as international law. They were ratified by the Senate, and, according to the Constitution, that makes them US law.




I agree that we should follow the Geneva convention, i was playing devils advocate. Is there an echo in here?

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If Iraqis are violating the Geneva Conventions, then they are criminals and should be prosecuted as such.




If?

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If any of our troops violate them, they should be subject to exactly the same prosecution (as required under the Geneva Conventions).




I agree.


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1419661 - 03/31/03 10:57 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

>so you thinbk it's ok for us to use any means neccesary to topple saddam?

What?

>it was only vague to those that wanted it to be.

That makes no sense.

It was VAGUE intentionally so that the US could invade Iraq and still be within the realm of international law. It was dirty politics. It does not justify the death that the white man is bringing forth on the Arabs.



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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: friartuck]
    #1419672 - 03/31/03 11:02 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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That makes no sense.




coming from you, i'm not surprised.

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It was VAGUE intentionally so that the US could invade Iraq and still be within the realm of international law.




your hatred towards the United States is clouding your logic again.

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It was dirty politics. It does not justify the death that the white man is bringing forth on the Arabs.





what? Playing the race card? Why am I not surprised.

I'm not sure you have made any points worth discussing, i'm beginning to feel sorry for you.


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: I_Fart_Blue]
    #1419680 - 03/31/03 11:08 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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Saddam, who if he has used civilians as shields, and caught alive, will be punished for war crimes. If Bush were to use the same tactics, he should be punished for the same.



Maybe he should, but he wouldn't. It seems that since the U.S. is the only remaining superpower, we can get away with just about anything and not have to answer to international law, as other countries do. But I'm sure that someday the American empire will fall, and if there are any surviving war criminals here, they will be brought to justice.


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    #1419723 - 03/31/03 11:30 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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    #1419999 - 03/31/03 02:18 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

All this talk about human shields....what about the people who live around the airforce base in the middle of the suburbs here in the city I live? Are they human shields too?

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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1420033 - 03/31/03 03:00 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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i think it is apparant that the war in Iraq will not and has not been played by rules of International law. With that said should the United States start fighting dirty? If not then why not and if so, why?




This war was started illegaly,so what does it matter to bush if he "plays by the rules", or not? The only reason america isn't fighting dirty is because (from bush) "americas only interest in iraq is the liberation of the iraqi people", and to play dirty would contradict that motive and undermine support. Wait till the next few invasions, then the true colors shall be seen. Iraq is a test, to see how forcefully and aggresively america can move on to other evil or rogue states.


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1420041 - 03/31/03 03:06 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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This war was started illegaly


I keep hearing this, yet I still am unclear on which laws were broken, could anyone fill me in? Thanks


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    #1420054 - 03/31/03 03:12 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

Hmm, dont know the specific laws that were broken...
They did go in without UN approval, but i dont think that makes it illegal. Mabye it wasn't nessecarily illegal......it just wasn't legal. I mean to invade another country without UN approval when the country prior to the invasion was currying UN support, then goes in anyway when the UN makes an informed descision not favorable to thier stance.

Needless to say, this invasion was not sanctioned by the UN, and world support was strongly against it....and for good reason too!


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: friartuck]
    #1420070 - 03/31/03 03:27 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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It was VAGUE intentionally so that the US could invade Iraq and still be within the realm of international law. It was dirty politics. It does not justify the death that the white man is bringing forth on the Arabs.



So you concede that 1441 allows the invasion?


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1420088 - 03/31/03 03:41 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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It was VAGUE intentionally so that the US could invade Iraq and still be within the realm of international law. It was dirty politics. It does not justify the death that the white man is bringing forth on the Arabs.



So you concede that 1441 allows the invasion? 




So you concede that it is an invasion?  :smirk:


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    #1420211 - 03/31/03 05:19 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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This war was started illegaly,so what does it matter to bush if he "plays by the rules", 




Not according to 1441.  The next thing your going to say is that he wasn't elected. :smirk:

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The only reason america isn't fighting dirty is because (from bush) "americas only interest in iraq is the liberation of the iraqi people", and to play dirty would contradict that motive and undermine support. 




did i just miss something or did you just confirm the REAL reason the United States is going to war?  What happened to the "it's all about oil" you libbies have been spouting?  Either way i'm glad you're on board.

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Wait till the next few invasions, then the true colors shall be seen. Iraq is a test, to see how forcefully and aggresively america can move on to other evil or rogue states.




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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1420215 - 03/31/03 05:21 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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So you concede that it is an invasion?



ofcourse it's an invasion. How else are you going to oust saddam? Via e-mail?


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1420299 - 03/31/03 06:19 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

As the globe's current super-power, I believe it's America's duty to act accordingly to standards that were set by us and the rest of the globe.

We are the contemporary model for the world. If you were raising a child, would you tell him that it is ok to stoop to someone elses level?


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: Angry Mycologist]
    #1420321 - 03/31/03 06:33 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

I would teach him to defend himself if needed, have no doubt.

If to you, that means stooping to someone elses level, then yes, that's what I would teach him.

Why, would you teach him to just let others beat him up?


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1420336 - 03/31/03 06:41 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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Why, would you teach him to just let others beat him up?



This is something that I have thought about quite often. I would want him to defend himself, but only to the extent where he needs defending. If a punch is thrown at him, the proper defense (IMO) would be to block, not to punch back.

If you relate this to the current world conflict, you'd get something like this: Saddam has continually teased George (Has not thrown punches) and George has thrown a million punches back. That's not defense.


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: Angry Mycologist]
    #1420350 - 03/31/03 06:48 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

You can only block so many punches before one lands.

The proper response is a overwhelming blow in return. This is the only way to discourage further blows.


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: Angry Mycologist]
    #1420360 - 03/31/03 06:54 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

> keep hearing this, yet I still am unclear on which laws were broken, could anyone fill me in? Thanks

Forged evidence is inadmissable.

I'm still not sure this is a legal war though. The UN refused to vote on the decision to start a war because the majority of the countries were against it. The US somehow took that to mean that 1441 gave them the right to start bombing. I haven't heard anything from the UN as to whether or not they believe this war is legal.

I am seriously betting that aside from the 4 countries that have absolutely said so, every other country thinks that we are in the wrong.

A legal loophole does not equate justice. Living in America should definately teach you that.


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1420398 - 03/31/03 07:20 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

physical conflict should always be the
last straw.

america should lead by example, not
by pulling the rest of the world around
by their ear.

in my opinion, there were other avenues
that could have been explored.

I think it was djfrog that said, "I'm not
anti-war, I'm pro diplomacy"

people make it sound like we had to
go to war because we have been living
in fear that Sadaam would attack us
at any moment.

I don't think that's the case.

and please don't cite 9/11

some of our *allies* in this war have direct
ties to al queda funds while I have yet to see
direct links between iraq and the attack.

I find it ridiculous that we all hold ourselves
in such high esteem, yet a society supposedly
so advanced and forward thinking still has to
resort to neanderthal-like reasoning.

the war on terrorism hasn't made me feel any
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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1420536 - 03/31/03 09:12 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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The proper response is a overwhelming blow in return. This is the only way to discourage further blows


But what if it doesn't dicourage further blows?


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    #1420590 - 03/31/03 09:46 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

The definition of an overwheming blow is that the opponent is overwhelmed. That means they don't retaliate.

If you are going to hit someone you should hit them hard enough that they don't get up.

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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1420620 - 03/31/03 10:06 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

I think the US should follow it to an extent. If there's no other choice then do whatever it takes to protect yourself.


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    #1420870 - 04/01/03 12:54 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

Both sides use Geneva convention only for propaganda purposes. I don't doubt that everybody violates or will violate them.

Yesterday I watched on TV the comparision of Iraq & USA POW treatment (John Walker case) and I found no difference.

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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1420930 - 04/01/03 01:39 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

have you ever said "you know what, i think you're right, i'm wrong" on this forum?

or are you really right every single time you say anything?


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1420931 - 04/01/03 01:40 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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You can only block so many punches before one lands.

The proper response is a overwhelming blow in return. This is the only way to discourage further blows.





Hate has a domino effect, it doesn't stop dealing its pain, until you hold it within yourself, embrase the feeling, and diffuse it.

from my expereince lashing out(unless in true self defence) never yeilds desirable results.


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1420984 - 04/01/03 02:20 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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did i just miss something or did you just confirm the REAL reason the United States is going to war? What happened to the "it's all about oil" you libbies have been spouting? Either way i'm glad you're on board.




Eeeh..what?
Your saying the reason we are at war is to liberate the iraqy people.
I disagree.
The only reason I can see is to stop the possible spread of bio/chem/nuclear weapons to terrorist groups who wish to cause harm to america.

If we are to put ourselves out as "liberaters" of people we had better do it all around and not just where our interests our concerned.

Not to mention finding out if the people even want to be liberated.
They may be content saying things could be worse.
They could be heavily brainwashed(N. koreans).

I simply mean we dont need a cloak,we are protecting our own ass from terrorist attacks.
We need to either be honest, or re-evaluate our policies.

There is a retired Admiral that recently passed away..i wish I could remember his name, he had alot of good ideas.


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: Captain Jack]
    #1421117 - 04/01/03 05:18 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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have you ever said "you know what, i think you're right, i'm wrong" on this forum?




do you wanna answer the question? If not then STFU. This isn't a question of if i'm right or wrong, it's a question of what should the rules of war be, if any.

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or are you really right every single time you say anything?




more times than a lot of libbies i'd bet.


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: shaggy101]
    #1421118 - 04/01/03 05:23 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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The only reason I can see is to stop the possible spread of bio/chem/nuclear weapons to terrorist groups who wish to cause harm to america.




That's one reason i'll concede, but that is only one reason of many, liberation being #1.

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They could be heavily brainwashed(N. koreans).




I hate to change the subject but why doesn't the countries in the vicinity of Korea do soemthing about it then?

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I simply mean we dont need a cloak,we are protecting our own ass from terrorist attacks.




I don't remember the US hiding this fact.


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1421564 - 04/01/03 12:34 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

Why are we intrested in Iiberating Iraq, and not N. Korea, there not our neighbors.
We pretty much are Japan and s. Koreas army..China? Are they No.3 on the liberation list?
I think you missed my only point.

If we are trying to do some good in the world by liberating people terrorised by dictators(as it seems you are suggesting) Why wait for recent events to help out?
Why incite the Kurds to revolt only to turn our backs on them, resulting in slaughter?
Why are we the largest supplier of weapons in the world?

aaa..Do you really believe the number #1 reason we are at war is to help out Iraq?

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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1421573 - 04/01/03 12:44 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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This war was started illegaly,so what does it matter to bush if he "plays by the rules", 




Not according to 1441.  The next thing your going to say is that he wasn't elected. :smirk:



Sure he was.  Just not by the majority.  :smirk:


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1421629 - 04/01/03 03:21 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

Why would we? We never signed it!

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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1421637 - 04/01/03 03:24 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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do you wanna answer the question? If not then STFU. This isn't a question of if i'm right or wrong, it's a question of what should the rules of war be, if any.




yes, i've said "that's a good point" on the shroomery.
i called you out on this because most every post of yours is arguing and conflicting what others say. you're always right, never wrong.

even when you opened this topic up for debate, every subsequent post has been attempting to refute what others say.

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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1421644 - 04/01/03 03:29 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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I hate to change the subject but why doesn't the countries in the vicinity of Korea do soemthing about it then?


Good question...Along the same lines of why is the U.S. even bothering with Iraq when it is clearly not a threat and is on the other side of the planet? Even it's own neighbours weren't worried...


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: Rono]
    #1421665 - 04/01/03 03:42 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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Good question...Along the same lines of why is the U.S. even bothering with Iraq when it is clearly not a threat and is on the other side of the planet?




Terrorism knows no bounds.

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Even it's own neighbours weren't worried... 




except for Kuwait ofcourse.....and Isreal.

Most of my questions on this thread were intended to be that of the devil's advocate.  I want to make sure every civilization is free.  But why is it that the whole world is crying for the United states when it is logistically practical that S. Korea, China and Russia take care of it.  Hell put it up to a UN vote, maybe we'll send a couple hundred troops.  :smirk:


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    #1421677 - 04/01/03 03:49 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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have you ever said "you know what, i think you're right, i'm wrong" on this forum?




As a matter of fact i did in the "Countdown to extinction" thread i believe. It was against Alex of all people. I mentioned that Iraq shot a scud and i was wrong because i listened to the news report on the radio.

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i called you out on this because most every post of yours is arguing and conflicting what others say. you're always right, never wrong.




I'm wrong from time to time, that's no secret, i just don't whine like you want me to.

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even when you opened this topic up for debate, every subsequent post has been attempting to refute what others say.




Did you NOT get the Devil's advocate theme i was going on? I only repeated it 20 times.

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STFU, indeed....




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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1421694 - 04/01/03 04:01 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

"i just don't whine like you want me to."

right. that is, of course, my ultimate desire.

"Did you NOT get the Devil's advocate theme i was going on? I only repeated it 20 times."

yeah i read that a billion times. but if you didn't notice, i'm responding to you in general, not just specific to this issue, as you should have picked up because i didn't say anything specfic to this issue.

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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1421830 - 04/01/03 05:21 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

Why didnt you pick apart my newest post?
Im sorry I am not really talking about the topic, for the record yes we should follow the Geneva convention.

Now get to work!

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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: shaggy101]
    #1422498 - 04/02/03 05:24 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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Why are we intrested in Iiberating Iraq, and not N. Korea, there not our neighbors.




That was my opinion in protest to other countries inabilitly and unwillingness to expell a dictator that oppresses his people and is a threat to the world. We, meaning the same ol countries, will end up liberating N. Korea.

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We pretty much are Japan and s. Koreas army..China? Are they No.3 on the liberation list?




We will not be liberating China, they're our most favored nation in the trade realm, which is BS in my mind but i don't make them decisions. What about Russia?

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I think you missed my only point.




No i got it but you based it on my opinion of what we should do or not do.

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If we are trying to do some good in the world by liberating people terrorised by dictators(as it seems you are suggesting) Why wait for recent events to help out?




I think other countries should be doing what we're doing but their are too many "France-like" countries out there that don't want to help out the oppressed.

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Why incite the Kurds to revolt only to turn our backs on them, resulting in slaughter?




your post was going good until this statement. That happened just after 1991 and has nothing to do with the topic at hand. That was a mistake that the United States made, we aren't perfect no matter how much other countries think we should be.

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Why are we the largest supplier of weapons in the world?




Why do we have all these weapons but don't use them on innocent civilians? (don't give me the collateral damage argument that is baseless).

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Do you really believe the number #1 reason we are at war is to help out Iraq?




and to stop the funding of terrorists, Stablize the oil supply and liberate the Iraqi people. This is what I believe. We did the EXACT same thing in bosnia and the world thanked us, it's too bad their memory is so short.


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1422606 - 04/02/03 07:30 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

There was a war going on in Bosnia and USA stopped it while there was no war in Iraq and USA started it. (BTW the Serbian army used cluster bombs and when they bombed the Sarajevo marketplace they said that bosnians did it to make them look bad.)
We'll see what happens, but so far it seems that Iraq would be better off without intervention. I have a feeling that the world won't thank you for this.

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    #1422610 - 04/02/03 07:42 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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There was a war going on in Bosnia and USA stopped it




Devil's advocate:

But it was none of our business. It wasn't OUR war.

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there was no war in Iraq and USA started it.




The human rights violations were the same and that's the reason we got involved in bosnia, you know, ethnic cleansing.

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(BTW the Serbian army used cluster bombs and when they bombed the Sarajevo marketplace they said that bosnians did it to make them look bad.)




tell it to the Serbs, i am an american.

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We'll see what happens, but so far it seems that Iraq would be better off without intervention.




yeah, it's ok when people are executed because they express thier desire to be free. The hypocrisy is extremely loud (not you specifically)

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I have a feeling that the world won't thank you for this.




That's fine, we're not looking for thanks. The world sat on their hands while honorable countries like The United States, Britain, Spain, Australia, Poland and an upwards of 50+ countries took care of the dirty work. The world should be ashamed.


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    #1422623 - 04/02/03 07:58 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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That's fine, we're not looking for thanks. The world sat on their hands while honorable countries like The United States, Britain, Spain, Australia, Poland and an upwards of 50+ countries took care of the dirty work. The world should be ashamed.




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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: GazzBut]
    #1422638 - 04/02/03 08:14 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

Let the contradiction commence.


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1423079 - 04/02/03 12:23 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

I think it just ended.

I know a place where you can buy brains.

Do you wanna buy a brain?


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: friartuck]
    #1423089 - 04/02/03 12:25 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

your post was so unfunny I'm not sure if I should encourage you. i think i can actually hear you getting more irrelevant. Comedy isn't your strong point, is it?


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1423445 - 04/02/03 02:40 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

My country is also listed among the war supporters.
I'm ashamed.

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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1423560 - 04/02/03 03:30 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

So that's a no then?


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: friartuck]
    #1423564 - 04/02/03 03:32 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

I think it just ended.

I know a place where you can buy brains.

Do you wanna buy a brain?



So, what are you, like 2?

Or is it fetal alcohol syndrome?


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1423573 - 04/02/03 03:35 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

I'm gonna go with crack baby.


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: z@z.com]
    #1423579 - 04/02/03 03:37 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

I think there's a discount if you buy in bulk.

You three should look into it.


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: z@z.com]
    #1423582 - 04/02/03 03:37 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

Crack baby eh? I'll go along with that.


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