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Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention?
    #1419539 - 03/31/03 10:57 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

i think it is apparant that the war in Iraq will not and has not been played by rules of International law. With that said should the United States start fighting dirty? If not then why not and if so, why?

Many pro-Saddam and Anti-American people on this site see no problem with the iraqi's targeting civilian targets but if the United States causes some sort of colateral damage due to the Iraqi's parking "Triple A" in mosques, schools and hospitals they are the great evil.

Where do you stand? If you're against the US using these tactics but want to allow saddam to do this, explain your contradiction.


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1419542 - 03/31/03 11:01 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

>i think it is apparant that the war in Iraq will not and has not been played by rules of International law. With that said should the United States start fighting dirty? If not then why not and if so, why?

LOL, Start?

Let me ask you this,

Is the entire rest of the world except Spain, England, and Australia pro-Saddam because they aren't helping us?

Is the pope pro-Sadam?

How far are you willing to take this "you're either with us or you're with the terrorororrists" dualistic idiotic mindset?

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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1419544 - 03/31/03 11:04 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I believe that we must take all possible measures to limit the number of civilian casualties. If we do not we are no better than Saddam. We must hold ourselves to a higher standard.


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: z@z.com]
    #1419545 - 03/31/03 11:06 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

> believe that we must take all possible measures to limit the number of civilian casualties. If we do not we are no better than Saddam. We must hold ourselves to a higher standard.


Too late.


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1419549 - 03/31/03 11:12 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

According to the information we have we are fighting differently in this war than the opposing side. We should have a higher standard if we are in the right.


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: ]
    #1419555 - 03/31/03 11:16 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not sure but correct me if I'm wrong...

I think the Geneva convention was against the idea of one country invading another country when the reason for doing so was never substantiated and the vague reasons given are backed up only by forged or fake evidence.


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: friartuck]
    #1419557 - 03/31/03 11:20 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I don't really know if it dealt with proper reasons for going to war. I guess that shows how much I know about it. (not much)

I only know it says a lot about the terms of how to fight and treat pow's.

Someone should post a link.

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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: ]
    #1419562 - 03/31/03 11:26 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

>I don't really know if it dealt with proper reasons for going to war. I guess that shows how much I know about it. (not much)

Like I said, I was guessing, but I think it's a pretty save assumption that the terms of the conventions deals with the reasons for starting a war. In fact now that I think about it I think that the only time war is justified is when it is the last resort, which was certainly not the case this time around.


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: friartuck]
    #1419573 - 03/31/03 11:35 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Let me ask you this, ignoramus...




good one, do i have to make you look bad again?

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Is the entire rest of the world except Spain, England, and Australia pro-Saddam because they aren't helping us?





where and when did i say this? If you're going to just make up things to argue about then feel free to start a thread titled " Hi, i'm Doobie and i want to babble".

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Is the pope pro-Sadam?




see above, when have i mentioned this?

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How far are you willing to take this "you're either with us or you're with the terrorororrists" dualistic idiotic mindset?




there are self proclaimed saddam supporters on this site, feel free to read once in a while.


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: z@z.com]
    #1419575 - 03/31/03 11:40 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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I believe that we must take all possible measures to limit the number of civilian casualties. If we do not we are no better than Saddam. We must hold ourselves to a higher standard.




I agree, i'm just playing devils advocate. Apparantly frier, AKA Doobie didn't see that.


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: friartuck]
    #1419579 - 03/31/03 11:44 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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I think the Geneva convention was against the idea of one country invading another country when the reason for doing so was never substantiated and the vague reasons given are backed up only by forged or fake evidence




is this the same place you got your information on the ABM treaty? 1441 clearly states what would happen to iraq if they didn't comply.


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1419586 - 03/31/03 11:48 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

>1441 clearly states what would happen to iraq if they didn't comply.



Actually, that's one of the vaguest parts of the war...what's it say "severe consequences" wtf does that mean anyway wtf wtf wtf, if only we listened to France instead of making fun of their armpits.


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1419604 - 03/31/03 12:05 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

"Many pro-Saddam and Anti-American people on this site see no problem with the iraqi's targeting civilian targets"

Who has said this?

I don't think anyone is for civillian targets being bombed. Nobody wants to allow Saddam to bomb civillians.

Are the Iraqis actually putting their targets next to schools and hospitals? I heard people saying they were going to before the war started, but I haven't actually heard any reports of this happening. Sounds like propaganda to me.

The reason people are standing up against the US comitting war crimes, and not Iraq, is that the US is their country, and is supposed to be a democracy. Bush is supposed to listen to his people, while it's well established that Saddam doesn't give a fuck what protesters have to say.


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1419608 - 03/31/03 12:10 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Why should we not fight dirty? Since when has two wrongs ever equaled one right? As it was said before, we should be holding ourselves to a high set of standards. Saddam, who if he has used civilians as shields, and caught alive, will be punished for war crimes. If Bush were to use the same tactics, he should be punished for the same.

And just one question, who are the "Pro-Saddam" people? I've yet to see a one.  :crazy: Or are these just the people that oppose the war, and your viewpoint, so you feel the need to slander them?


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: Phluck]
    #1419611 - 03/31/03 12:13 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Are the Iraqis actually putting their targets next to schools and hospitals? I heard people saying they were going to before the war started, but I haven't actually heard any reports of this happening. Sounds like propaganda to me.




according to news reports they're doing so. But i'll concede that it is just reports. You'd have to admit that it is not beyond the realm of possibility in the Iraqi world. I'm am not so insulated that i can't believe some of what's coming to us through our media, ie: republican guards shooting at civilians, suicide bombers etc.

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Bush is supposed to listen to his people, while it's well established that Saddam doesn't give a fuck what protesters have to say.




and he is according to about 78% approving the way the war is being fought.

Like i said, this question was more of a devils advocate stance. I think WE should always fight according to this law, too bad we are going to be the only side to do it.


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1419614 - 03/31/03 12:18 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

if France invaded another country despite the wishes of the Security Council, and the US was against it, our government would be freaking out hardcore.


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Re: Should the US Follow the Geneva Convention? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1419616 - 03/31/03 12:19 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Could you link me to a post where someone supports Saddam?


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    #1419620 - 03/31/03 12:24 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

i believe we are fighting dirty enough invading a country, killing innocent civilians, and labeling people who are fighting for their country, "terrorists".


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    #1419625 - 03/31/03 12:29 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Countdown to Extinction

I'd say the pro-saddam supporters would be Rhizo, Zahid and to some extent or another Alex.


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    #1419626 - 03/31/03 12:31 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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i believe we are fighting dirty enough invading a country, killing innocent civilians, and labeling people who are fighting for their country, "terrorists".




so you thinbk it's ok for us to use any means neccesary to topple saddam?


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