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Re: DMT vs PCP [Re: Lunaria]
    #14194789 - 03/27/11 09:29 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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dmt is not the most potent psychedelic.. perhaps the most powerful, but not the most potent.
pcp is a different animal altogether. it's onset is similar, but effects and duration are much different.




Elaborate on potency vs powerful? Potency being in how long it lasts or what?




Potency would be effect by weight, in which case it's definitely not true. A DMT-sized dose of LSD would be a psychedelic ass-kicking so indescribably insane that you'd never fully come down from it.




you're overlooking saturation... there are finite number of receptor sites that can be bound by LSD molecules; past a certain dosage just extends the experience, but not necessarily the intensity. DMT has relatively rapid metabolism, but the experience tends to be much more
overwhelming, as so many will attest


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Re: DMT vs PCP [Re: Cakk]
    #14194812 - 03/27/11 09:32 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Just to clarify for people who don't like to let their schema get cluttered with so many rules and exceptions:

DXM, Ketamine, and PCP are all psychedelic dissociatives.

Try not to let the little boxes you use to get in the way of your understanding of the huge network of different ideas your connected to.


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Re: DMT vs PCP [Re: piracetam]
    #14194831 - 03/27/11 09:36 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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piracetam said:
dmt is not the most potent psychedelic.. perhaps the most powerful, but not the most potent.
pcp is a different animal altogether. it's onset is similar, but effects and duration are much different.




Elaborate on potency vs powerful? Potency being in how long it lasts or what?




Potency would be effect by weight, in which case it's definitely not true. A DMT-sized dose of LSD would be a psychedelic ass-kicking so indescribably insane that you'd never fully come down from it.




you're overlooking saturation... there are finite number of receptor sites that can be bound by LSD molecules; past a certain dosage just extends the experience, but not necessarily the intensity. DMT has relatively rapid metabolism, but the experience tends to be much more
overwhelming, as so many will attest




I don't think that really changes my point, though.... I mean, we're differentiating between potency and intensity here, I'm just saying that if you say you smoke 30 mg of DMT to breakthrough that's already 300 good hits of acid and that's not even entirely fair because it's comparing smoking to dosing orally. If you take that much acid you're gonna be pretty far out there, and it may stop getting more intense after a certain point but you can definitely reach hyperspace levels from LSD.

And I say you'll never fully come down because you're gonna have HPPD like a motherfucker.

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Re: DMT vs PCP [Re: Lunaria]
    #14194883 - 03/27/11 09:46 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I don't think that really changes my point, though.... I mean, we're differentiating between potency and intensity here, I'm just saying that if you say you smoke 30 mg of DMT to breakthrough that's already 300 good hits of acid and that's not even entirely fair because it's comparing smoking to dosing orally. If you take that much acid you're gonna be pretty far out there, and it may stop getting more intense after a certain point but you can definitely reach hyperspace levels from LSD.

And I say you'll never fully come down because you're gonna have HPPD like a motherfucker.




This conversation is about DMT and PCP, not DMT and LSD.


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Re: DMT vs PCP [Re: healing]
    #14194916 - 03/27/11 09:51 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I don't think that really changes my point, though.... I mean, we're differentiating between potency and intensity here, I'm just saying that if you say you smoke 30 mg of DMT to breakthrough that's already 300 good hits of acid and that's not even entirely fair because it's comparing smoking to dosing orally. If you take that much acid you're gonna be pretty far out there, and it may stop getting more intense after a certain point but you can definitely reach hyperspace levels from LSD.

And I say you'll never fully come down because you're gonna have HPPD like a motherfucker.




This conversation is about DMT and PCP, not DMT and LSD.




You're right, and I apologize for dragging it off topic, but we're just expanding on a point about DMT, and I did leave my opinion on the on-topic debate earlier.

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Re: DMT vs PCP [Re: Lunaria]
    #14195285 - 03/27/11 11:07 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

PCP. you. dont. even. know. D:


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Re: DMT vs PCP [Re: Cakk]
    #14195389 - 03/27/11 11:24 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

well 50mg is a solid dose of dmt, if one were to eat 50 mg of LSD, forgive me if my math fails, but thats like 50 x 100mcg. Thus lsd is more potent


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Re: DMT vs PCP [Re: Dosile Kouki]
    #14197222 - 03/28/11 11:00 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

so pcp?

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Re: DMT vs PCP [Re: Ginto]
    #14197338 - 03/28/11 11:27 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

PCP is a reaaaal mindfuck I'll tell you that. You just sit there in your mind, and there's almost nothing on it. It's so hard to explain. I had an out of body experience when I tried to take a shower while on PCP.

Haven't done DMT yet, but sounds much more appealing to me.

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Re: DMT vs PCP [Re: deadhor5]
    #14197782 - 03/28/11 12:56 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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PCP. you. dont. even. know. D:




I do.
and although things seem quite askew on pcp, they're still somewhat familiar.
DMT, much like a salvia breakthrough, can drop you off in a completely unfamiliar area in mid-sentence.
field of vision may be very alien, and there's no fighting it.

so yea...DMT.


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