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"It is all in your head"
    #14190868 - 03/27/11 07:02 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

the other day i had a glimpse of experience some call - meeting spiritual entities


and how so many call - its your own minds work


just how NAIVE and narrow minded those people are


i guess its part of their limited experience but still, so spiritually immature of them


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Re: "It is all in your head" [Re: desant]
    #14191062 - 03/27/11 08:31 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

So how do you know its not in your head?

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Re: "It is all in your head" [Re: desant]
    #14191240 - 03/27/11 09:26 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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just how NAIVE and narrow minded those people are


i guess its part of their limited experience but still, so spiritually immature of them




For real.  I agree.





Thing is it is all in your head...  But its not 'you', they are not 'you...' 

This is all in your head and your head is in all of this and that, no??

Really its as if our heads/minds are a component on a circuit board.  But our capacity is the entire circuit board.

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Re: "It is all in your head" [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #14191402 - 03/27/11 10:23 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

thats a huge ass


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Re: "It is all in your head" [Re: desant]
    #14191502 - 03/27/11 10:46 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

wtf..


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Re: "It is all in your head" [Re: desant]
    #14192484 - 03/27/11 02:01 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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desant said:
the other day i had a glimpse of experience some call - meeting spiritual entities


and how so many call - its your own minds work


just how NAIVE and narrow minded those people are


i guess its part of their limited experience but still, so spiritually immature of them





I don't think it's 'spiritually immature.'

How do you know they are external entities and not internal archetypes produced by the mind?

It's good to keep an open mind, because nobody really knows.

What I think is 'spiritually immature' is clinging on to a belief and then dismissing people that challenge that belief by labeling them "NAIVE and narrow minded"

Producing such a label on other individuals should be a good example of how you are narrowing your own mind, and that IMO is a pretty naive thing to do.


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Re: "It is all in your head" [Re: I AM SWIM]
    #14193106 - 03/27/11 04:06 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Regardless of whether you believe that these entities exist independently of you, it's still all in your head
so to speak


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Re: "It is all in your head" [Re: R2-D2]
    #14193298 - 03/27/11 04:49 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Just as you perceive it to be an entity other than yourself, one might view it as a voice in your head. There is no lie in either viewpoint; rather a different distortion in perception. The ones saying it is in your head are speaking from a vibration that goes to a deeper thought by knowing it is you who pertains all in your being; thus being in YOUR head. You, view it as entities who are either separate from you or different vibrations of you communicating with you.

Notice how many times the word "you" was used. It's all about your opinion and truth man. Doesn't matter what others view it as, it is our experiences and our clarity that structures our so called "reality". No one is spiritually immature in their own reality. One becomes spiritually immature when they reach for something larger than their grasp, and because they do so, they either do not get it or try so hard it hurts them.

Love all in a discerning manner for compassion to others is compassion to your own being.

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Re: "It is all in your head" [Re: OneU]
    #14193428 - 03/27/11 05:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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OneU said:
No one is spiritually immature in their own reality.



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Re: "It is all in your head" [Re: desant]
    #14193570 - 03/27/11 05:52 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

From your conclusions here, If something is witnessed by several people all in the same instance and it reacts with the physical world around them, how would this be explained as a manifestation of ones personal mind? :strokebeard:


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Re: "It is all in your head" [Re: Raven Gnosis]
    #14194059 - 03/27/11 07:44 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

It is all in your head. As one who use to be religious, I can speak from experience. The social atmosphere that is create to believe in such things creates a social pressure and toxicity that forces the individual to conform in order to be among their social group. Use logic. Be reasonable and look at all the evidence. Don't forget, people lie, even if you don't think they would.

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Re: "It is all in your head" [Re: yessir]
    #14194063 - 03/27/11 07:44 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Is that Striker?

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Re: "It is all in your head" [Re: yessir]
    #14194085 - 03/27/11 07:48 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

maybe all of reality in waking life and reality in dreaming life is just in ur head too


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Re: "It is all in your head" [Re: I AM SWIM]
    #14194153 - 03/27/11 07:56 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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maybe all of reality in waking life and reality in dreaming life is just in ur head too




What you speak of is solipsism. That is a faulty philosophy that has been broken for centuries. The biggest issue? Math. Math is the deepest and most real connection between the mind and physical reality.

But are you Striker? I noticed the bee.

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Re: "It is all in your head" [Re: yessir]
    #14194559 - 03/27/11 08:56 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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yessir said:
Quote:

I AM SWIM said:
maybe all of reality in waking life and reality in dreaming life is just in ur head too




What you speak of is solipsism. That is a faulty philosophy that has been broken for centuries. The biggest issue? Math. Math is the deepest and most real connection between the mind and physical reality.

But are you Striker? I noticed the bee.




I agree, and know of the faults of solipsism that Ayn Rand has pwned in The Virtues of Selfishness.

No, I'm not Strike, the founder of The Hive. I'm just a bee doin' thangs is all. pollinatin' thangs and wut not.


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Re: "It is all in your head" [Re: desant]
    #14194894 - 03/27/11 09:48 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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desant said:
the other day i had a glimpse of experience some call - meeting spiritual entities


and how so many call - its your own minds work


just how NAIVE and narrow minded those people are


i guess its part of their limited experience but still, so spiritually immature of them





How is that spiritually immature, and what does that mean anyways?

What's so naive about presuming its you mind's work?  We know your mind can do that, we don't know spiritual entities exist or can do that, hence: occam's razor.

What's narrow minded about this view?

I find it hard to see the value of these spiritual encounters given they never seem to empart any knowledge to the person- i.e. they apparently don't take any actions inconsistant with them not existing. 

I think you need to open your mind, brah.

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Re: "It is all in your head" [Re: yessir]
    #14194899 - 03/27/11 09:49 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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yessir said:
It is all in your head. As one who use to be religious, I can speak from experience. The social atmosphere that is create to believe in such things creates a social pressure and toxicity that forces the individual to conform in order to be among their social group. Use logic. Be reasonable and look at all the evidence. Don't forget, people lie, even if you don't think they would.




I've had experiences of "entities" that were obviously reflections of my psyche. It was reminiscent of how, while under the effects of psilocybin mushrooms, emotions and thoughts and feelings can manifest visually as things, shapes, objects, faces, symbols, colors, etc.

But I've also had experiences where these things interacted with the world around me and were visible to the people around me.
There was no pressure of varying ideologies or even a group acknowledgment of our opinions on such matters. It was a spontaneous happening.

regardless, I always hold them in question in my mind.

I can say that I used to be a total atheist, and am still extremely sharp with my doubt, my skepticism, which is 100% true, but that does nothing to strengthen the point I'm trying to make, nor should or does it reflect any sort of expertise on the subject.

I have experiences which I have clearly been able to recognize as internal projections and reflections of my inner state and processes, but then there are the experiences which are not so easy to recognize, like witnessing as a group the sun slowing setting behind the towering mountain peaks as you gather wood for the little meadow we are making camp that night. Independent of myself.  If I was not there to witness, it is more than likely the others still would have.

I certainly don't feel this is something that can so easily be answered with the six words "it is all in your head."

From my experiences, I still have many questions, that such an utterance will not answer, but would only bring about more questions. questions... Questions.


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Re: "It is all in your head" [Re: Raven Gnosis]
    #14194992 - 03/27/11 10:07 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

it is impossible to experience something that is not happening in your own head


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Re: "It is all in your head" [Re: Envix] * 1
    #14195055 - 03/27/11 10:23 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

"In this book it is spoken of the Sephiroth and the Paths; of Spirits and Conjurations; of Gods, Spheres, Planes, and many other things which may or may not exist. It is immaterial whether these exist or not. By doing certain things certain results will follow; students are most earnestly warned against attributing objective reality or philosophic validity to any of them."


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Re: "It is all in your head" [Re: Envix]
    #14195119 - 03/27/11 10:38 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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it is impossible to experience something that is not happening in your own head




Is it?

I'd say it's impossible to not experience things from your own head, given it is through your head you experience both exterior and inner subjective worlds whilst bound by flesh.
But simply stating that it's impossible to experience something that's not happening in my head seems a little vague and fraught with potential to be blinding.

Saying, it's impossible to internalize and experience what is happening void of ourselves is impossible without us, in any form, being there to experience it, seems to make more sense. :shrug:


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