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Re: Mindblowing trip on 9 grams, talking with "God", no longer athiest (please read) [Re: Bassfreak]
#14188789 - 03/26/11 08:05 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I understand the whole "god is between the spaces" thing. I don't know if I would call it god but idk. Either way, it's hard to explain. It's basically like, idk how to explain it. The look of innocence in a babys eyes. Love. Ego, structure, they block it out. When someone has that look in their eye like they know what's what. They're blocking out the all, the love.
I don't really know how else to explain it. I'm coming down off some weakish acid so my thoughts are abeit looped
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Re: Mindblowing trip on 9 grams, talking with "God", no longer athiest (please read) [Re: Sheekle]
#14188860 - 03/26/11 08:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I also have disillusioned by drug use. Of all types to. LSD especially. With me at least, the enlightenment feelings fade away in due time if I don't dose again. unfortunately.
Instead of using drugs to "get the whole picture" (LOL- its funny that people think its as easy as "eat these booms and see god and figure out the universe... although I once fell for this to lol) I just use psych's to try to gain a new perspective on things. I try to wipe out my prejudices with them. So far I found out that they are good for that matter. Taking your ego down a notch. Even if it's temporary its still nice.
But shit... if you seen god and the booms turned you into god then ride on. Put your new power to use. Otherwise it probably didn't do much.
Ya know... a good way I have learned to clear up deep cutting trips is see how they actually change you. It's like "oh I seen god and now i'm going to try to bring my act up and be a more effective human being"... a month passes and you're still sittin on your ass with a bong and mt. dew... So WHAT exactly did the experience do for you ??? REALISTICALLY ? aside from an interesting night.
Some biatch kid I know the other day was talking to me. Ranting about how he watched fight club while he was trippin dose and he just kept saying "Bro-you don't even know. Fight club changed my life" And I kept asking him "why or how. What have you changed about yourself ?" of course it would just shut him down instantly. Ugh. trippin...
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Re: Mindblowing trip on 9 grams, talking with "God", no longer athiest (please read) [Re: Sheekle]
#14188870 - 03/26/11 08:23 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sheekle said:
I don't really know how else to explain it. I'm coming down off some weakish acid so my thoughts are abeit looped
How was the trip ? what kinda dose was it ? print ? liquid ? how did you spend your time on it ?
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Re: Mindblowing trip on 9 grams, talking with "God", no longer athiest (please read) [Re: joemolloy]
#14189305 - 03/26/11 09:59 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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joemolloy said: Let me see if I can spoil the party.
I was an atheist, a critically minded rational thinker my whole life. After many oral DMT trips and experiences just like yours my world view changed. I became God, met God, felt divinity, experienced textbook Buddhist enlightenment. What the fuck was all of this? It was as if a universe opened up to me that was previously hidden from view. I was in awe of it, confused by it, and excited at the possibilities. Here I was living out the same eternal moments that Jesus, Mohammed, all the prophets and deities and holy figures of the world felt. What to do with it? Nothing. It's fucking bullshit. The only change that I have seen is that myself and others like me become weird assholes. It just takes YOU and amplifies you into a weirder version of yourself, not a happier or more content one. There is nothing tangible from the trips, nothing there but strange unwordable feelings. To construct religious beliefs from these drugs is insane. To feel you now have hints and clues into the nature of existence is an exercise in futility and eventual madness. To think that death or an afterlife is somehow related to these trips is wildly wishful thinking.
You were an atheist before the trip? Apply all of your critical thinking skills, your rational thought processes, and your bullshit detector to your drug trips. Try it, I fucking dare you, that's more scary and real than accepting your chemical enlightenment. That'll open doors to whats really going on and what these drugs really do. They fuck you up and turn some people into superstitious flakes.
Bring on the hate and burn this heretic at the stake, motherfuckers!
Thank you thank you finally some one said it right on
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Re: Mindblowing trip on 9 grams, talking with "God", no longer athiest (please read) [Re: CounterCulturest] 1
#14189311 - 03/26/11 10:00 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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You can always rationalize NOT changing yourself because "it was just a drug trip." And it's easy to mock ppl who change themselves because of one.
But I'd rather follow some sense of beauty, truth, and inspiration than shit on everything and feign intellectual pragmatism. In the end, human experience is either an amazing opportunity or benign chemistry. So what if my experiences can be reasoned away by someone else. It's what I do with them that gives them value, not what others think of them.
Eg, Christian charities give much to the poor and suffering worldwide. That means far more than the dogmas they espouse. Likewise, a psychonaut is only as insightful as his actions demonstrate. Words and stories can't compete with actions and accomplishments. Fuck intellectualism.
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Re: Mindblowing trip on 9 grams, talking with "God", no longer athiest (please read) [Re: noobieman] 1
#14189595 - 03/26/11 11:23 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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thank you for this trip report. Keep projecting the love.
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Re: Mindblowing trip on 9 grams, talking with "God", no longer athiest (please read) [Re: FleshCap]
#14189642 - 03/26/11 11:35 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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this is why i love psychedelic drugs so much and really wish they were legal. i recommend dmt to you if you have not had it yet, it brings very similar revalations to me.
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Re: Mindblowing trip on 9 grams, talking with "God", no longer athiest (please read) [Re: tay_ste_5000]
#14189891 - 03/27/11 12:33 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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This seems sooooo familiar
Ha!
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Re: Mindblowing trip on 9 grams, talking with "God", no longer athiest (please read) [Re: CounterCulturest]
#14190959 - 03/27/11 07:54 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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joemolloy said: Does it have any more meaning or significance than a drunken, alcoholic stupor or a heroin nod or a daydream?
Maybe not, but doesn't a drunken stupor have some significance?
I think all different perspectives are worth looking at to some degree.
I mean, there are times when I feel even drinking a little is quite good for your mind. Sure, it's kind of... "suppressing" you, sure you're "just drunk". But if you feel really screwed and tense and in a mess... sometimes a drink can change your mood around, let you relax... realize that maybe things aren't so important and then genuinely make you feel better after it wears off. Just even to realize that you still CAN have a good time. Even then if it DOES make you feel bad the next morning (which in low doses it might not).
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Re: Mindblowing trip on 9 grams, talking with "God", no longer athiest (please read) [Re: HarryL] 2
#14191029 - 03/27/11 08:22 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I didn't read the entire thread, but here's what I think:
If your spirituality or your belief in god REQUIRES a chemical, if it is chemically induced, is it genuine or valuable? You can't even remember the entire trip, so will this experience be as significant months from now? Years from now? Most people have to re-dose in order to regain the feelings their trip left them with.
All physical matter is finite, it will break down eventually, it cannot last. If you read a variety of spiritual texts, you will find that most say that "God" cannot be of the world of forms or physical matter. If "God" is real, it would be part of the unmanifested. You cannot go to the store and buy happiness, the same way you cannot simply ingest a chemical and gain "God".
It's true that chemicals like psilocybin break down the ego and give you a new perspective (temporarily). It's true that you can have great insights. But these insights and feelings are always in the context of the trip, and they require the chemical. So, does finding "God" require a chemical? If "God" is real, would it need to be chemically induced?
When you are sober again, when the trip is over, you might not remember a good portion of it. Will the insights and feelings from the experience still be of value in this state of mind? The ego regains it's hold on you, and your state of mind is now very different than it was when you had your experience with "God". In a high dose trip, many people have an afterglow in which the ego is still very soft, and they are very open. But in two weeks? In two months? Two years? As time goes on, you may not still be able to feel/experience/believe in this "God". After all, it was chemically induced, you didn't find "God" in your natural state.
So you're at a point where you need a chemical to experience "God". Can you find a "God" through a chemical? If you can, it implies that you need to gain physical matter before you can find "God". Without psilocybin, you can't experience "God". So "God" is not there in your everyday life, you do not experience it regularly. Only when you obtain psilocybin can you experience "God".
Most spiritual teachers say that you cannot find "God" through the world of physical matter.
It's true that experiences with certain hallucinogens do induce states of mind very similar to what "enlightenment" is supposed to be. But the trip does not last, the chemical comes and goes, the experience fades away.
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Re: Mindblowing trip on 9 grams, talking with "God", no longer athiest (please read) [Re: Syntheticbreakfast]
#14191266 - 03/27/11 09:34 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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very nice post, i have had a very similar experience on my "hero dose" of 80g fresh
It brought back a lot of feelings and memories that i could not recall, like you said. i feel that the time is coming near when i need to do this again. i feel like i'm starting to deviate from the way of the shroom
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Re: Mindblowing trip on 9 grams, talking with "God", no longer athiest (please read) [Re: Syntheticbreakfast]
#14191518 - 03/27/11 10:51 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Syntheticbreakfast said: Most spiritual teachers say that you cannot find "God" through the world of physical matter.
It's true that experiences with certain hallucinogens do induce states of mind very similar to what "enlightenment" is supposed to be. But the trip does not last, the chemical comes and goes, the experience fades away.
Yes... makes sense...
However, what if such a concept/state could be reached by "sober" means through dedication but there existed chemical shortcuts?
Indeed I've seen videos/information on a similar theme. About LSD being a "shortcut" to getting a mystical religious experience "on the cheap". There's some LSD video on YouTube I think that at one point talks about some priests who did an experiment with LSD or psilocybin (think it was LSD) and reported religious experiences or what have you and... they kind of... thought it was important religiously or whatever.
I mean ultimately... all we have for stuff like this is speculation and maybes.
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Re: Mindblowing trip on 9 grams, talking with "God", no longer athiest (please read) [Re: Diacetylmentlegen] 1
#14191743 - 03/27/11 11:40 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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So in this thread we have had an athiest calling people out to argue with him (No points for originality there), a stimulant loving user named 'bassfreak' with terrible grammar and spelling and absolutely no understanding of psychadelic philosophy accusing the OP of being 'stupid' and a myriad of misunderstandings towards personal insight.
You people talk of having the life changing experience and then falling back into your own ways, you do realise you have free will yes? Are you blaming the drugs for not spoon-feeding you the self control you need to stay virtuous, to give up the bad habits, negative thought patterns and cynical mindstates? Psychadelic drugs are a kick in the face straight from your subconscious, you cant try to lie to yourself to avoid the facts they show you or you'll have the most terrifying experience of your life. They will kick the piss out of you and show you how you truly believe yourself to be wether your'e an amazing individual or a useless sack of shit. But then you come down and your ego comes rolling back saying, "no its ok you can do those things that hold you back because they are fun or make you happy! Youre only a prick to other people because they are assholes!" This world is designed to break you down and make you not give a shit, but you are all too fucking distracted by infinite hedonism and selfishness to even realise it.
And then we have the argument that its just a chemical and your experience was not holy, despite the fact that the demonization of drugs is only a recent factor in thousands of years of human history, and that shamanism was never looked down upon in the past but thats not even the point. It's just another tribute to ignorant binary thinking, nothing is inherantly good or bad its simply your perception and how you use the tools you have that makes it so. Everything is all just the same fucking thing anyway, its all just god and nothing. You have just as much ability to find god within the holiest temples upon the holiest mountains as you do in a piss stained alleyway in the shittest city on earth, if you cant understand that you have no right to talk about what paths we can and cant take to find our own truths.
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Re: Mindblowing trip on 9 grams, talking with [Re: growbit]
#14192475 - 03/27/11 02:00 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Where to go now? I doubt my life will change too much, since I've learnt that I am absolutely perfect as I am now, and things are exactly how they should be.
Ewh, something smells bad here.
There is no "God" by any definition - that's a mental delusion straight out of the book and you fell for it. So sorry.
You can chat with these impostor beings and they'll tell you all kinds of shit, and when you ask them if they're "God" they say, well, no, that's the next level up. Repeat ad nauseum. That's just how it goes.
Trip again, the same way, and see what happens to your new found insight. 
Actually, reading it over, you should trip a whole lot more, actually get used to it and learn to navigate it better.
You can change your mind and change your delusions, but it's all the same shit. Lose your delusions along the way, then you start to get somewhere.

Oh yeah, anyway, I also have these feelings of immanence, of the numinous presence of some ineffable higher power quite often, straight or shroomed, it doesn't matter. DOES THAT MEAN THEY MEAN ANYTHING? No.
It just means humans (ah, that's you and me and JoeMolloy too) are wired by nature and vast evolutionary time to attribute meaning to everything.
We all have some kind of "god-center" in our brain that connects the dots...but the dots aren't real. It makes us feel better about things, about this dirtball we live on and share with a whole lot of other creatures, many of which have the same kind of weird wiring as well.
Nothing wrong with it, but it's just a feeling about something that we can't quite pin down. Maybe it's there to keep us from dying too easily, I dunno.
Are YOU god? Of course. Am I god? Of course. So what? Take responsibility for your own little self-demarcated bit of the universe and realize that it's only what YOU make it.
Are YOU perfect? Am I perfect. Oh yeah, you bet, I'm awesome. 
See, this kind of thing goes nowhere. Just get on with it, don't blather about the inner dialogue.
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Edited by PrimalSoup (03/27/11 02:15 PM)
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Re: Mindblowing trip on 9 grams, talking with [Re: PrimalSoup]
#14192678 - 03/27/11 02:39 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Primalsoup, the whole "There is no god, I am god and you are god... but let go of your delusions and embrace mine" thing...some advice:
If you are going to assert someone else is philosophically wrong but you are right, then the addition of "I may have no idea what I'm talking about" is important to establishing some credibility. Without that, or "in my miniscule experience" or some kind of disclaimer you will sound like anyone else going door-to-door dropping their dogmas off on my porch.
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Re: Mindblowing trip on 9 grams, talking with [Re: noobieman]
#14192898 - 03/27/11 03:28 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Credibility? I don't need no stinkin' credibility to engage delusion states. Been there, done that.
And you didn't even get the point. 
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Re: Mindblowing trip on 9 grams, talking with "God", no longer athiest (please read) [Re: Circleandstar]
#14192926 - 03/27/11 03:33 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Circleandstar said: So in this thread we have had an athiest calling people out to argue with him (No points for originality there), a stimulant loving user named 'bassfreak' with terrible grammar and spelling and absolutely no understanding of psychadelic philosophy accusing the OP of being 'stupid' and a myriad of misunderstandings towards personal insight.
You people talk of having the life changing experience and then falling back into your own ways, you do realise you have free will yes? Are you blaming the drugs for not spoon-feeding you the self control you need to stay virtuous, to give up the bad habits, negative thought patterns and cynical mindstates? Psychadelic drugs are a kick in the face straight from your subconscious, you cant try to lie to yourself to avoid the facts they show you or you'll have the most terrifying experience of your life. They will kick the piss out of you and show you how you truly believe yourself to be wether your'e an amazing individual or a useless sack of shit. But then you come down and your ego comes rolling back saying, "no its ok you can do those things that hold you back because they are fun or make you happy! Youre only a prick to other people because they are assholes!" This world is designed to break you down and make you not give a shit, but you are all too fucking distracted by infinite hedonism and selfishness to even realise it.
And then we have the argument that its just a chemical and your experience was not holy, despite the fact that the demonization of drugs is only a recent factor in thousands of years of human history, and that shamanism was never looked down upon in the past but thats not even the point. It's just another tribute to ignorant binary thinking, nothing is inherantly good or bad its simply your perception and how you use the tools you have that makes it so. Everything is all just the same fucking thing anyway, its all just god and nothing. You have just as much ability to find god within the holiest temples upon the holiest mountains as you do in a piss stained alleyway in the shittest city on earth, if you cant understand that you have no right to talk about what paths we can and cant take to find our own truths.
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Re: Mindblowing trip on 9 grams, talking with [Re: PrimalSoup]
#14193007 - 03/27/11 03:49 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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PrimalSoup said: There is no "God" by any definition - that's a mental delusion straight out of the book and you fell for it. So sorry.
Evidence please?
It seems awful anti-scientific to make authoritative pronouncements on matters that one appears completely unqualified to make.
You don't talk about the 100% certainty of what the surface of Europa looks like until you've actually put yourself into a situation that can reasonably make those claims, such as by actually going there. Until then you're just bull****ting in the purest form.
The vast majority of scientific facts discovered in the past 200 years or so would be considered fantastical delusion by most men of reason maybe 400 years ago, and if you told somebody you could sent images through the air (invisibly of course! I mean, naturally, that makes a lot of sense) and pick them up in some kind of magic box, they'd probably laugh and point at every known fact they have and showed you how you were clearly wrong and deluded that you were some form of wizard based on their current scientific knowledge.
Too bad something so bat**** crazy is actually real though, so we have to accept it no matter how out there it actually seems.
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noobieman said: If you are going to assert someone else is philosophically wrong but you are right, then the addition of "I may have no idea what I'm talking about" is important to establishing some credibility. Without that, or "in my miniscule experience" or some kind of disclaimer you will sound like anyone else going door-to-door dropping their dogmas off on my porch.
Yeah... he seems to be one of those people who come off as though they're Plato multiplied by Socrates, raised to the power of Aristotle.
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PrimalSoup said: And you didn't even get the point. 
Handy that
Indeed we're probably operating on such a lower plane that we wouldn't even understand no matter how you phrased it. Too bad WE're so delusional .
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Re: Mindblowing trip on 9 grams, talking with [Re: PrimalSoup]
#14193064 - 03/27/11 04:00 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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PrimalSoup said: Credibility? I don't need no stinkin' credibility
You're right. Anyone can type on the interwebs. I'm sorry that I tried to make it more complicated than that.
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Uhm, what is your exact argument here? TV exists, therefore God exists?
Lets have the evidence - extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, and Ockham's Razor is a parsimonious guide to sorting out ancient fictions.
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Indeed we're probably operating on such a lower plane that we wouldn't even understand no matter how you phrased it. Too bad WE're so delusional .
No. You're just coming off as a postmodernist. If you truly believe all points of view have equal merit you're just digging a whole deep enough to hold your own ego.
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I mean ultimately... all we have for stuff like this is speculation and maybes.
Handy, that.
No, what you have for "stuff like this" is the process of insight meditation, primarily, which the OP acknowledges (at least the meditation part).
But where it always goes wrong, unless you're very lucky, is the period of believing, fervently, passionately, and generally temporarily, that you - yes you - have found the truth. The same truth (obviously) that all the people who ever spoke or wrote about such things were privy to as well. It makes you special, but that kind of special stinks. Fortunately it wears off. They warn you about this in most Buddhist insight practices.
Tell me, please, what you personally know of any of this.
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Edited by PrimalSoup (03/27/11 04:20 PM)
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