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    #14192433 - 03/27/11 01:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The desert of life? Hah. I heard that on family guy.

I am curious to hear about your feelings about death. Does it scare you to know you will die? Does it bother you to see someone dead or dying? Why?

In my head I do not fear death but yet I always make sure I make smart choices that will keep me alive longer. I make these choices because it is great to be alive.

I have seen the dead and the dying yet I have not one shred of sympathy. Maybe this is due to circumstance? Or maybe not. I have seen alot of death and dying when I was with the fire company. Victims of car accidents involving drunk drivers, kids, burn victims and more. I never feel bad for them and Im not so sure why. Most of the men I served with on the fire company did not give a shit. In fact there was a common morbid curiosity within my fire company. I myself always had to get a good look at a body or had to be the one to help a dying person. Of course I wanted to help the people, but I also had my own agenda which involved seeing carnage. Of course there was always someone on the department who took death harder than usual. One of my best friends went to a trailer fire in which a man was cooked up. It seemed to bother him. At times I wanted to call him out for acting out and being a little bitch. Maybe its because I have absolutely no sympathy.

Even when my best friend died in college I barely flinched. I had no sadness, though I have to admit that his death had a major impact in my life and in result I had a semester of straight B's and A's (which is good for me). What I did was celebrate his death. I made sure I did great things in his honor!

Why do some people take death so hard? I wonder what social experience desensitized me? Maybe it was horror movies?


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Re: Death [Re: XUL]
    #14192479 - 03/27/11 02:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah I'm terrified of dying and seeing people die.  I think that's how a normal human should feel.  I think you are desensitized to death from watching fucked up things on the internet.


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Re: Death [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #14192501 - 03/27/11 02:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Yeah I'm terrified of dying and seeing people die.  I think that's how a normal human should feel.  I think you are desensitized to death from watching fucked up things on the internet.





I dont watch weird things on the interenet. Though I have been watching gorey horror films since I was like.. 7. lol.

When I was a kid I got so much amusement from horror films. I still do!!

I just talked to my friend on the fire hall. He said seeing the death was like a spotlight. It reminded him that he will die. He also said that he didnt like the fact that those people were living there lives and then BOOM, a painfull death.



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Re: Death [Re: XUL]
    #14192595 - 03/27/11 02:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

^ Well there you go. I'm not terrified of death, more of pain. I don't want to sit here and bleed out for 24 hours on my apartment floor from a wound. That would be super a super lame way to die.


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Re: Death [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #14192605 - 03/27/11 02:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I thought I was sorta desensitized. Then I saw a guy dead (so I think. he was unconscious inside of a flipped car after crashing into a light post) My first thought was to get out and help, but once I got near and noticed he was unconscious I didn't even want to touch him to see if he was alive, I was pretty terrified. Ambulances came right after


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Re: Death [Re: Zardos]
    #14192858 - 03/27/11 03:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'm much more scared of the pain then the idea of nothingness


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Re: Death [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #14192888 - 03/27/11 03:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Hey now, as shitty as it sounds there might be something after all this.
Who knows.


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Re: Death [Re: XUL]
    #14192918 - 03/27/11 03:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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In my head I do not fear death but yet I always make sure I make smart choices that will keep me alive longer. I make these choices because it is great to be alive.




I hope you see the connection between your fear of death and your love of life.
Do you think life would be as interesting if it didn't have an expiration date?
Just imagine, a whole eternity of being alive.
A never ending ride of waking up, being hungry, and getting tired.
Magical. :tongue2:

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I wonder what social experience desensitized me? Maybe it was horror movies?




You've created a thick wall of defense against your anxieties of death, using a macho fascade to deny any fear you prove to yourself that for now you are secure with the idea of it.
Many of us do this.
Many have their walls crumble.


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Re: Death [Re: Tropism]
    #14193055 - 03/27/11 03:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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In my head I do not fear death but yet I always make sure I make smart choices that will keep me alive longer. I make these choices because it is great to be alive.




I hope you see the connection between your fear of death and your love of life.
Do you think life would be as interesting if it didn't have an expiration date?
Just imagine, a whole eternity of being alive.
A never ending ride of waking up, being hungry, and getting tired.
Magical. :tongue2:

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I wonder what social experience desensitized me? Maybe it was horror movies?




You've created a thick wall of defense against your anxieties of death, using a macho fascade to deny any fear you prove to yourself that for now you are secure with the idea of it.
Many of us do this.
Many have their walls crumble.





Its not a macho fascade. Its me and my life experiences.

I admit I fear a painfull death as much as the next person. But then again those last jolts of pain is your last life experience. Its one of the highlights of ones life. When I was heartbroken as hell my friend told me "one day your going to look back on this as one of the most exciting and lively times of your life." He was right. Sure we might not be able to look back on death but we may recognize that death is comming, take it like a man, and cherish the moment.

Or maybe there will be no pain. Maybe one could pass in their sleep.

I think an honorable death would be great. Like dying while saving somone!


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Re: Death [Re: XUL]
    #14193068 - 03/27/11 04:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah man, I'm all for dying with the boots on.
I didn't mean any offense by the macho fascade thing, but in my life experience it is a way that most of us men handle the oncoming demise.
Be a stone, admit the fear but show no trace of it. It has it's benefits.
But it doesn't mean that behind it there isn't still the fears of a little boy who wants his mother to save him from his nightmares.
I think almost all of us have felt that when we were young and those fears don't go away, we just grow up and get better at building walls.


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Re: Death [Re: Tropism]
    #14193097 - 03/27/11 04:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Yeah man, I'm all for dying with the boots on.
I didn't mean any offense by the macho fascade thing, but in my life experience it is a way that most of us men handle the oncoming demise.
Be a stone, admit the fear but show no trace of it. It has it's benefits.
But it doesn't mean that behind it there isn't still the fears of a little boy who wants his mother to save him from his nightmares.
I think almost all of us have felt that when we were young and those fears don't go away, we just grow up and get better at building walls.




Indeed. I often find myself wanting to test my own walls. for example I am trying to become a rescue swimmer which is pretty much like me taking my next step in adventure. Fireman to rescue swimmer.

One strange thing I experienced in life was love. When I was in love with a woman I didnt want to risk my well being as often as I used to. I never thought that would have happened. Its kind of a scary thought.


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Re: Death [Re: XUL]
    #14193124 - 03/27/11 04:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Its kind of a scary thought.




Isn't it though?
Seems to me like part of love is symbolically extending our sense of self onto others so that we treat them with as much importance as we treat our own lives.
Sadly though it is a guarantee to lose apart of yourself.
Double-edged sword.


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Re: Death [Re: Tropism]
    #14193155 - 03/27/11 04:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Its kind of a scary thought.




Isn't it though?
Seems to me like part of love is symbolically extending our sense of self onto others so that we treat them with as much importance as we treat our own lives.
Sadly though it is a guarantee to lose apart of yourself.
Double-edged sword.




You hit that one home. I feel the same way.

I made alot of mistakes in my past relationship and realized I really did care about her more than myself. As for the period of time I was with my ex, my firefighting came to a near hault. I really did lose a part of myself.

I want to avoid that next time I fall for someone.


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Re: Death [Re: XUL]
    #14193185 - 03/27/11 04:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I made alot of mistakes in my past relationship and realized I really did care about her more than myself.




Well yes and no.
In a sense yes we put her before ourself, but because we have decided to love them and their happiness directly affects our own, there is no caring for her without simultaneously caring for ourself.


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Re: Death [Re: Tropism]
    #14195022 - 03/27/11 10:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Take the thought of losing one step further from a "love" to your flesh and blood... your child. I have woke up to this. With blood streaming down her nose. 1 month and 2 days. I will never forget that day.

So, do you think that is something that would change you?  Do you think that this would be desensitizing or traumatizing to you? A love or even a loved one (family) is nothing compared to this.

I could probably see a strangers head get ripped off and think it was fucking gross first, then how this will hurt others and finally " That was fucking cool!". Its the fact that people can put themselves in the place of others that causes this pain though it has nothing to do with them. Without that insight, it is easy to go on about your way.

As for death itself... not much to fear there. As you have stated before, the pain of it is what is feared and losing your life. When I say "life" I mean the things that make up "life". Death is in an instant. Its the pain and knowing lose that are hard to deal with.

I dont ever "want" to see someone die because I know that it causes pain.  When my child died, I cried, definitely, but I had other children to care for. There wasnt time to mourn. 

Like you, I have a job to do and that is, very different from your situation, to care for my other children. Their suffering will cause further pain. Saturating with what is already gone does nothing. No benefit. A lot of people dont understand this.

I know if I die, I would rather they grind me up and feed me to wolves or some other way to benefit others than to put me in a pine box to take up space. Throw me off a cliff and place a bet on how many times Id bounce. Much better than a box. At least I think so.


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Re: Death [Re: Tropism]
    #14195464 - 03/27/11 11:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I think almost all of us have felt that when we were young and those fears don't go away, we just grow up and get better at building walls.



if you accept death there is no need to build walls as to protect yourself from it. just live in the now, because now you are alive.


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Re: Death [Re: jjdiggincrates]
    #14195666 - 03/28/11 12:26 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I feel like getting rid of death anxiety is impossible, but you can take measures to live a life you can cherish and love. Also, life without death would be very, very boring imo.


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