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OfflineCharlie414
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weak cubensis
    #1419064 - 03/31/03 01:04 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I recently with the MMGG grew a bunch of amazonian strain of cubensis. I was all happy about it until i tried em. They were extremely weak. I grew em on BRF. Any ideas on how to get more potent mushrooms? New substrate or different spores. I figure that ill get a more potent strain like cyanescens or azurescens but I still have 2 syringes left of cubensis (golden teacher and B+) How would i get them to produce more potent?


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Re: weak cubensis [Re: Charlie414]
    #1419184 - 03/31/03 02:27 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Try growing them on wbs and spawning to dung. This is reported to give the highest potency. Also, the first flush usually seems to be the weakest, so try the ones from the next flush and see if there is a difference.


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Re: weak cubensis [Re: Charlie414]
    #1419186 - 03/31/03 02:29 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

this is how a friend of mine felt too. :frown:

Growing on some seed/popcorn/grain spawned on poo seems to give the highest potency.  Good luck!


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Re: weak cubensis [Re: PJDIDDLE]
    #1420475 - 03/31/03 10:21 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

well im dont want to start a farm rasing different crops on dung so i can raise more potent mushrooms, Ill try the WBS though what is WBS? And can anyone translate that last reply?


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Re: weak cubensis [Re: Charlie414]
    #1420490 - 03/31/03 10:32 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

oh i got it WBS = wild bird seed, i actually picked up some penningtons today. What about the translation


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Re: weak cubensis [Re: Charlie414]
    #1420640 - 04/01/03 12:17 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

if u grow on BRF and verm will u always get weak shrooms?


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Re: weak cubensis [Re: GWAR]
    #1420646 - 04/01/03 12:22 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

if u grow on BRF and verm will u always get weak shrooms? 






kramer says no and if there grown under optimal conditions you shouldn't be able to tell a differnce anyhow :tongue: 


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Re: weak cubensis [Re: george castanza]
    #1420660 - 04/01/03 12:29 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

thanks.. that's what i wanted to hear..

...somehow i'm not suprised kramer knows how to grow shrooms....:)


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Re: weak cubensis [Re: Charlie414]
    #1420683 - 04/01/03 12:45 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

"And if you don?t want to go wbs to dung id try casing I never got very potent mush off of cakes either im pretty happy with 50/50+ my cased mush have been quite a bit more potent with casing"

If you dont want to spawn WBS to dung, I would try casing. I never got very potent mushrooms off of cakes either. I am pretty happy with 50/50+. My mushrooms have been quite a bit more potent when cased.

Spawn - is the substrate use to further innoculate a bulk substrate such as dung
WBS - Wild Bird Seed, used as a substrate for mycelium to grow on. Usually contains alot of milet. For preperations see 6T's WBS tek
Cake - PF style cake
50/50+ - a mixture of peatmoss and vermiculite with additives to adjust pH
Casing - a layer of various possible, usually non-nutriative, substances to provide moisture (vermiculite, coir, and other, including mixture).


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Re: weak cubensis [Re: ExtravagantDream]
    #1420703 - 04/01/03 01:01 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

ok great i did some research on spawning from WBS to dung, is any compost good or is there a certain brand that is better than another. I plan to take a trip to my local nursery tommorrow. Just to get me started I want to order spores now, how potent are the Panaeolus cyanescens species if there no good what strain would you suggest for casing?


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Re: weak cubensis [Re: Charlie414]
    #1420758 - 04/01/03 01:31 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Compost, although it will work, is not the best thing to use. If you can get it.. get poo from a ranch or something.

Pan Cyan are supposedly some of the higher potency mushooms, although if you are a beginner, i would advise against them. They require quite a bit more potence/knowledge/effort


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Re: weak cubensis [Re: ExtravagantDream]
    #1420861 - 04/01/03 02:42 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

i got a dog how bout his poo


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Re: weak cubensis [Re: Charlie414]
    #1421018 - 04/01/03 04:58 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

depends on what you feed it. hope it's a big dog!


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Re: weak cubensis [Re: Charlie414]
    #1421102 - 04/01/03 06:54 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

No dog poo!
dogs are carnivorous and their feces do not contain the same nutrition/micro-organisms as herbivorous animals and cannot support mycelial growth.

In relation to your original question about potency,
I find that if you want to grow potent shrooms on BRF, it would be wise to choose a lower yeilding higher potency strain, rather than to go with a high yeilding strain.

Because BRF has allot less nutritional content than grains/poo, and when trying to grow a larger strain on a substrate with a lower nutrient content, most of that nutrition will be converted into energy used for fruiting rather than alkaloid production, whereas a lower yeilding/smaller strain will have less of a problem conserving nutrients used for the production of Psilocin/Psylocibin.

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Re: weak cubensis [Re: TeKn0]
    #1421369 - 04/01/03 11:50 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

what is an example of this type of strain - lower yeilding/smaller strain?


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Re: weak cubensis [Re: Charlie414]
    #1421388 - 04/01/03 12:02 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I noticed a big difference in

1- wbs mixed with straw,

2- wbs mixed with straw and composted cow manure with humus( store baught)

and i mean a very noticeable differrence.

Growth conditions are also very important. Good humidity, lots of air exchange, proper temps.

conditions are key!!!


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Re: weak cubensis [Re: george castanza]
    #1421475 - 04/01/03 01:34 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

i agree with kramer damn it


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Re: weak cubensis [Re: Charlie414]
    #1421492 - 04/01/03 01:45 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

To get one thing straight... "azures" and "cyans" are not strains. They are species. They do belong to the Psilocybe genus, as do cubensis. They are Psilocybe azurescens and Psilocybe cyanescens.

There is also another species in the Panaeolus genus named cyanescens as well. These are known as "Pan. cyans" also "blue meanies".

Ps. azurescens and Ps. cyanescens both require hardwood substrates to produce mushrooms, and you will need to live in a climate which would allow the production of these mushrooms, due to the fact that they need to be cultivated in an outdoor bed.

As for potency goes. I believe it has a direct correlation to the environmental conditions of the mushroom as well as the substrate.

Mushrooms which are grown in optimum conditions, which grow healthy and strong, could have an impact on potency. To acheive optimum environmental conditions you will need to have the correct temperature, humidity, etc... as well as a dung based substrate.

Casing BRF cakes basically is just optimizing the conditions for mushrooms to grow because of the casing itself. This produces much more pins and the mycelium is less effected by the environmental conditions in the fruiting chamber.


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Re: weak cubensis [Re: angryshroom]
    #1421504 - 04/01/03 01:54 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

any question????????

THANKS  angryshroom!!!!!!  :cool:


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