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Re: LOVED ONE LOCKED UP [Re: Shroomism]
#14190611 - 03/27/11 05:16 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: LOVED ONE LOCKED UP [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14190612 - 03/27/11 05:18 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Twin studies tend to show heritability of drinking behavior and heritability of alcoholism.
alcoholism isnt a disease and this pseudoscience should stop making excuses for alcoholics
I never thought Id agree with you
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Re: LOVED ONE LOCKED UP [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14190616 - 03/27/11 05:19 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Poid said: It's still inheritable.
and yet if you make the choice not to, have you inherited alcoholism?
I suppose not--I'm not too sure what's so confusing, though, the article clearly states that alcoholism is inheritable.
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Prisoner#1 said: do the children of alcoholics start life and continue through school as alcoholics?
No, what's your point? Baldness is inheritable, and children of bald people do not go through school bald, but they sometimes end up bald later in life.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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I never thought Id agree with you
if i had a million dollars every time someone said that about pris i would have a lot of money
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Re: LOVED ONE LOCKED UP [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14190622 - 03/27/11 05:23 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Twin studies tend to show heritability of drinking behavior and heritability of alcoholism.
alcoholism isnt a disease and this pseudoscience should stop making excuses for alcoholics
First of all, science does not make excuses for anything, it only serves to explain phenomenon; this article was not made to excuse their behavior, at all, this is just your projection.
Second of all, why do you believe this is pseudoscience, did you even read the article?
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Pseudoscience is a claim, belief, or practice which is presented as scientific, but which does not adhere to a valid scientific method, lacks supporting evidence or plausibility, cannot be reliably tested, or otherwise lacks scientific status.
The article provided supporting evidence; what makes you think that the study didn't adhere to a valid scientific method, or that the theory that alcoholism is inheritable cannot be reliably tested? AFAIK, this theory does not lack scientific status.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: LOVED ONE LOCKED UP [Re: Poid]
#14190624 - 03/27/11 05:23 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Poid said: It's still inheritable.
and yet if you make the choice not to, have you inherited alcoholism?
I suppose not--I'm not too sure what's so confusing, though, the article clearly states that alcoholism is inheritable.
psychology is a pseudo science
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Prisoner#1 said: do the children of alcoholics start life and continue through school as alcoholics?
No, what's your point? Baldness is inheritable, and children of bald people do not go through school bald, but they sometimes end up bald later in life.
do those children have a choice in whether they'll go bald (excluding hair replacement and minoxidil), the children of alcoholics have the choice and while that genetic marker is there not all alcoholics have that marker so can we say that all children of alcoholics will 'inherit' that gene?
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Re: LOVED ONE LOCKED UP [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14190633 - 03/27/11 05:28 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Poid said: It's still inheritable.
and yet if you make the choice not to, have you inherited alcoholism?
I suppose not--I'm not too sure what's so confusing, though, the article clearly states that alcoholism is inheritable.
psychology is a pseudo science
No it isn't, it's a soft science.
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Prisoner#1 said: do those children have a choice in whether they'll go bald (excluding hair replacement and minoxidil),...
Why are you excluding that? 
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Prisoner#1 said: ...the children of alcoholics have the choice and while that genetic marker is there not all alcoholics have that marker so can we say that all children of alcoholics will 'inherit' that gene?
Did I say this? Nope.
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Re: LOVED ONE LOCKED UP [Re: Poid] 1
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genetics is more like sociology in a lot of respects...and is kinda like socialism to angry red necks..at least at what fox news calls liberal science places like the college
anyways...biology and psychology and shit man run into each other with genetics like the guy and goat in that old mountain due commercial
but its like this bro...you can fight nature and empiricist vices but empiricism cant fight science and nature isn't science so im going with pris everyone loves alcohol and only drunk families sign up for those studies so they can buy more booze to begin with
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Re: LOVED ONE LOCKED UP [Re: Cherk]
#14190643 - 03/27/11 05:34 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I dunno, I'm just going by what that article tells me, and not by what people who aren't scientists are telling me; if any of you can provide an article which contradicts this one's findings, then I would consider your guys' viewpoint more seriously.
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Re: LOVED ONE LOCKED UP [Re: Poid]
#14190644 - 03/27/11 05:34 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Get a room you two... . and now back on topic... ToughLove78, just hang in there. I'd ease up on sending him especially since you're struggling. He's got his 3 hots and a cot. And lay down the law when he gets out. Raising a child and being a drunk equals failure... Good luck, Lady . . .
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Re: LOVED ONE LOCKED UP [Re: Poid]
#14190650 - 03/27/11 05:37 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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yeah i just looked at that link
passing on bad habbits does not equal strychtine in the spine and altered DNA
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Re: LOVED ONE LOCKED UP [Re: Cherk]
#14190666 - 03/27/11 05:43 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: LOVED ONE LOCKED UP [Re: Poid]
#14190679 - 03/27/11 05:48 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: psychology is a pseudo science
No it isn't, it's a soft science.
well, let's see what they have to say about the difference
The hard sciences are characterized as relying on experimental, empirical, quantifiable data, relying on the scientific method, and focusing on accuracy and objectivity
and yet they dont really describe what these 'soft' sciences are
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoscience#Psychology
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Why are you excluding that? 
can surgery remove the heritability of alcoholism? we'll exclude the prefrontal lobotomy for this
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Prisoner#1 said: ...the children of alcoholics have the choice and while that genetic marker is there not all alcoholics have that marker so can we say that all children of alcoholics will 'inherit' that gene?
Did I say this? Nope. 
we we can conclude that alcoholism is not something inherited
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Re: LOVED ONE LOCKED UP [Re: Poid]
#14190684 - 03/27/11 05:50 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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yeah dog you gotta take a intro to biology course and read about mendelez and his fruity little pea flowers
just go to college and take all the intro courses like i did
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Re: LOVED ONE LOCKED UP [Re: Poid]
#14190690 - 03/27/11 05:52 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Poid said: I dunno, I'm just going by what that article tells me, and not by what people who aren't scientists are telling me; if any of you can provide an article which contradicts this one's findings, then I would consider your guys' viewpoint more seriously.
how is a psychologist a scientist
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Re: LOVED ONE LOCKED UP [Re: Cherk]
#14190730 - 03/27/11 06:07 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: psychology is a pseudo science
No it isn't, it's a soft science.
well, let's see what they have to say about the difference
The hard sciences are characterized as relying on experimental, empirical, quantifiable data, relying on the scientific method, and focusing on accuracy and objectivity
and yet they dont really describe what these 'soft' sciences are
...social sciences and similar fields are often described as soft.
Psychology is a social science.
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Prisoner#1 said: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoscience#Psychology
This just linked me to the top of the Pseudoscience article, what are you trying to say?
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Prisoner#1 said: ...the children of alcoholics have the choice and while that genetic marker is there not all alcoholics have that marker so can we say that all children of alcoholics will 'inherit' that gene?
Did I say this? Nope. 
we we can conclude that alcoholism is not something inherited
Even though several studies have suggested it is? OK...
Just because something is inheritable doesn't mean that it will necessarily be inherited, I don't know what gives you that idea.
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Poid said: I dunno, I'm just going by what that article tells me, and not by what people who aren't scientists are telling me; if any of you can provide an article which contradicts this one's findings, then I would consider your guys' viewpoint more seriously.
how is a psychologist a scientist
Psychology is a social science, that's how.
You should post in my thread in PSP. 
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cherokee said: yeah dog you gotta take a intro to biology course and read about mendelez and his fruity little pea flowers
just go to college and take all the intro courses like i did
I took a Psychology 101 class in community college, but dropped out because I was sick of having to wake up early and take a 3-hour bus-ride to school every weekday morning--also, I don't like school, I'm more of an independent learner, and prefer to learn on my own than in a classroom full of a bunch of people I don't really care about or particularly like too much.
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Re: LOVED ONE LOCKED UP [Re: Poid]
#14190734 - 03/27/11 06:09 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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well self study the right way like I am doing and look up curriculums online and the required readings and learn everything from the course and more in like 1/20th the time
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Re: LOVED ONE LOCKED UP [Re: Cherk]
#14190741 - 03/27/11 06:12 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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It's not right for everybody, some people actually prefer learning in groups. 
I like learning for leisure, it's not fun when it becomes a chore.
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Re: LOVED ONE LOCKED UP [Re: Poid]
#14190800 - 03/27/11 06:36 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Poid said: ...social sciences and similar fields are often described as soft.
Psychology is a social science.
but what's the actual definition of a soft science, we know that hard sciences rely on empirical evidence, observation, quantifiable data and a scientific method, while soft sciences seems to be another means of articulating 'pseudoscience' in order not to offend those people working in the field...
so poid, can you give us a definition and description of 'soft science'
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Prisoner#1 said: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoscience#Psychology
This just linked me to the top of the Pseudoscience article, what are you trying to say?
what's wikipedia trying to say
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Just because something is inheritable doesn't mean that it will necessarily be inherited, I don't know what gives you that idea.
and while the study you linked ot of more than 4000 alcoholics show that only 30% had at least one parent that was an alcoholic... it's pseudoscience because they drew this heritability claim with such a small number of cases where the parent s were addicted to a substance
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Psychology is a social science, that's how.
You should post in my thread in PSP. 
lol... circular argument
define how it's a science, in fact as I'd already requested, define soft science
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Re: LOVED ONE LOCKED UP [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14190809 - 03/27/11 06:40 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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And this is why Poid is the only person I have ignored.
My Shroomery experience has been infinitely better.
OP, you are not weak. I'm sorry you have to struggle with your child for now. Remember though, time never stops moving forward.
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