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What causes one to want others to suffer?
#14185431 - 03/26/11 04:13 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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IYO, is the desire for others to suffer (physically or otherwise) a sign of bad health, good health, or neither?
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: What causes one to want others to suffer? [Re: Poid] 1
#14185473 - 03/26/11 04:41 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think you'd find most people want revenge if they're stooged by someone. This is also talked about in 'game theory' which is quite interesting. People who are dividing up goods are willing to go without any of those goods/rewards in order to punish someone else if that someone else has been scamming others. Some people are outright psychopaths though. I've got some documentaries on psychopathy and violence and it tests people's potential for these traits. Even normal people have the ability to get real violent given the right circumstances.
Type game theory into Wikipedia and have a read. I was thinking of ordering some books on it from Amazon.com. It's applied to many things such as war, economics etc. You could also read about revenge etc too and stuff like retributive justice.
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Re: What causes one to want others to suffer? [Re: migraineur]
#14185482 - 03/26/11 04:47 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I remember game theory being mentioned in A Beautiful Mind, it is most definitely an interesting concept; this thread isn't about revenge in particular, though, but rather about the desire for others to suffer in general (which can be borne out of many things, like a general dislike for a certain individual for example).
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migraineur said: Some people are outright psychopaths though. I've got some documentaries on psychopathy and violence and it tests people's potential for these traits. Even normal people have the ability to get real violent given the right circumstances.
Can you link me to a good torrent for such a documentary? 
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: What causes one to want others to suffer? [Re: Poid] 1
#14185526 - 03/26/11 05:25 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I can't be bothered searching through trackers right now but here are some things I have that you can look for. Just try using Pirate Bay or ISOhunt. Also, if you type these terms into the search boxes then you will find HEAPS of various documentaries. Type in things like BBC, national geographic, discovery channel. You can also try their websites and Youtube is a gold mine for documentaries. Those companies often host heaps of free stuff on Youtube.
In regards with titles, try these:
I psychopath
How Mad Are You
Criminology for Dummies
This site is also wicked: http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/
Here are two cool Australian sites that let you watch various shows and it's also totally legal too.
http://www.abc.net.au/iview/
www.sbs.com.au
Check the section 'documentaries' and 'news and current affairs' on the ABC site. I'm sure you can browse your way through the SBS site. SBS won an international award for being so unique.
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Re: What causes one to want others to suffer? [Re: migraineur]
#14185541 - 03/26/11 05:32 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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migraineur said: In regards with titles, try these:
I psychopath
How Mad Are You
Criminology for Dummies
I think I might check these out, thanks for the reference.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: What causes one to want others to suffer? [Re: migraineur] 1
#14185547 - 03/26/11 05:37 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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This is a classic example given during game theory. It basically shows how your friends might snitch on you if either of you are caught by the cops etc. Check out the other links within too. You could go on reading forever.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma
Oh yeah, another documentary by the BBC is 'How Violent Are You?'.
Al Jazeera has awesome content too. Check the website for videos and podcasts and even the Al Jazeera Youtube channel. Don't let people who have never actually visited the site or watched the show try to convince you that it's some terrorist news channel. Al Jazeera and the BBC are probably the two best news outlets in my opinion. It's proper news, not gossip news about some Hollywood slag's latest drinking binge etc. Their journalists generally worked for western media outlets first too.
English.aljazeera.net
This is also a cool documentary:
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Re: What causes one to want others to suffer? [Re: migraineur]
#14185560 - 03/26/11 05:47 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Will definitely check that stuff out, thanks--I used to be one those people who thought that Al-Jazeera was just some terrorist news channel until now. 
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: What causes one to want others to suffer? [Re: Poid] 1
#14185607 - 03/26/11 06:22 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Get this too! You won't regret it: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0391024/
It's called Control Room.
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Re: What causes one to want others to suffer? [Re: Poid]
#14186597 - 03/26/11 12:28 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I know it may be hard to believe...
But, there are intelligent systems of energy that draw in and maintain themselves with the energy created by human suffering.
And, there are those people that have sided with these 'systems' and are working to get them what they need.
The dense energy of human suffering is used to further shape and control the human populace as it is a very powerful form of consciousness and can be harnessed and directed at them with specific intent.
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Re: What causes one to want others to suffer? [Re: FishOilTheKid]
#14186604 - 03/26/11 12:30 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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FishOilTheKid said: I know it may be hard to believe...
Well at least you know something.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: What causes one to want others to suffer? [Re: Poid]
#14186620 - 03/26/11 12:34 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Poid said:
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FishOilTheKid said: I know it may be hard to believe...
Well at least you know something. 
...ask me something you've always wanted to know...??
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Re: What causes one to want others to suffer? [Re: FishOilTheKid]
#14186630 - 03/26/11 12:37 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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That didn't make sense to me, but maybe I'm just too sleep-deprived.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: What causes one to want others to suffer? [Re: Poid]
#14186652 - 03/26/11 12:43 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hmm,intresting concept indeed. I wonder, those energy systems that you are talking about, hmm..you belive they are actually created by someone? Or they are somekind of what the Gnostic might name "eggregore" an collective mind created by people sharing same beliefs/thoughts that gained enough energy to manifest it`s own conciousness?
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Re: What causes one to want others to suffer? [Re: Damkina] 1
#14187061 - 03/26/11 02:14 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Poid, if you're interested in psychopaths check out the book Mask of Sanity: http://cassiopaea.org/cass/sanity_1.PdF ; it's a well-written analysis of the case histories of various psychopaths. 
As far as what causes one to want others to suffer, sadism seems to be a common motive: if watching other people suffer gives one pleasure then it's only natural to want others to suffer. Asking why sadism itself exists is a much more difficult question IMO.
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Re: What causes one to want others to suffer? [Re: Damkina]
#14187172 - 03/26/11 02:36 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I wonder, those energy systems that you are talking about, hmm..you belive they are actually created by someone?
Yes. Hierarchical groups of people and spirit/energy/consciousness disincarnate also.
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Or they are somekind of what the Gnostic might name "eggregore" an collective mind created by people sharing same beliefs/thoughts that gained enough energy to manifest it`s own conciousness?
Pretty much exactly.
Not too long ago I had a dream of what the connections between people's energy systems look like spatially and how one of these 'higher' systems comes together or is built within and in the physical.
  These ads seem pretty close...
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Re: What causes one to want others to suffer? [Re: FishOilTheKid]
#14187187 - 03/26/11 02:38 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I wonder, those energy systems that you are talking about, hmm..you belive they are actually created by someone?
Yes. Hierarchical groups of people and spirit/energy/consciousness disincarnate also.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rules of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
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Re: What causes one to want others to suffer? [Re: deCypher]
#14188314 - 03/26/11 06:48 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Wanting others to suffer is simple ego based defense mechanism psychology. Projection to be more specific, you are suffering deep down inside, but the ego does not want to acknowledge this. Thus, it projects its suffering onto other people, by making other people suffer, thus trying to rid itself of it's internal suffering. Provides temporary relief to a permanent problem... and down goes the spiral...
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Re: What causes one to want others to suffer? [Re: Poid]
#14188802 - 03/26/11 08:09 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I forget where I heard this:
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"Some people try to be tall by cutting off the ends of others."
Edited by ShroomScape (03/26/11 08:13 PM)
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Re: What causes one to want others to suffer? [Re: Poid]
#14192572 - 03/27/11 02:15 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Poid said: IYO, is the desire for others to suffer (physically or otherwise) a sign of bad health, good health, or neither? 
i think it's a sign of bad health, both physically and mentally.
I think physical and mental health are interrelated to an extent.
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Re: What causes one to want others to suffer? [Re: I AM SWIM]
#14194047 - 03/27/11 07:41 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I AM SWIM said:
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Poid said: IYO, is the desire for others to suffer (physically or otherwise) a sign of bad health, good health, or neither? 
i think it's a sign of bad health, both physically and mentally.
Why?
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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