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ThirdEyeVision
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GT forming stones?
#14187220 - 03/26/11 02:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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A friend recently purchased GT spores from a well respected vendor and started an LC. From that LC he knocked up WBS and PF Jars. As both types of jars reached about 70% colonization they started odd growths next to the glass. He wasn't sure what they were but a recent post made him think they may be stones, but from GT? Jars smell great so no bacterial infection, no green or anything else that looks like a contaminate. As he was spawning to bulk he pulled one out and it had the texture of a very dense mushroom....
Initially I told him it was probably premature pinning but he said the 2 he looked at out of the jar were just a mass and looked nothing like a mushroom. After over a week they haven't formed any caps either...
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Edited by ThirdEyeVision (03/26/11 02:46 PM)
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3Cajun1Mo8
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one of my pf cakes also had this kind growth, not sure what it i but they are in the Fruiting chamber now so we 'll see
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Re: GT forming stones? [Re: 3Cajun1Mo8]
#14187427 - 03/26/11 03:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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In vitro blobs. Good eating.
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Re: GT forming stones? [Re: Doc_T]
#14187550 - 03/26/11 03:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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should I have takin it off the cake Doc? will it grow larger in the FC or just take up space on the cake not allowing pins to form on that spot?
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Re: GT forming stones? [Re: 3Cajun1Mo8]
#14187558 - 03/26/11 03:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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If it keeps getting bigger let it grow. I love blobs.
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ThirdEyeVision
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Re: GT forming stones? [Re: Doc_T]
#14188124 - 03/26/11 06:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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blobs, I love it! So, would they be a form of sclerotia? Any idea what triggers them to grow? All of his jars formed them from that batch so one would assume either it's triggered by the environment or genetics.
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biologys
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no, its the same as a mushroom...same texture, just deformed.. stones are hard nut like.
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Re: GT forming stones? [Re: biologys]
#14188292 - 03/26/11 06:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I always called them mushroom tumors and figured it was genetics but idk
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Re: GT forming stones? [Re: bakenast]
#14188950 - 03/26/11 08:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've never seen those in the colonization phase. Cakes seem to fruit and grow in weird ways and at weird times.
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ThirdEyeVision
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Blobs or Tumors seem like pretty acurate names lol. My friend pulled a couple out of a PF Jar and sent me the picture below. They share no resemblance of a mushroom other than texture. Even then they are much much much more dense than a mushroom. Any idea what causes them? Not enough GE? Genetics?
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biologys
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fruiting too early can cause them, sometimes its just genetic's..
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Re: GT forming stones? [Re: biologys]
#14231316 - 04/03/11 02:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Grow penis envy and you'll realize mushrooms dont need caps to grow, they do what they want when they want. Nothing weirder than the first time you see a shroom growing upside down.
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Blobs are not sclerotia. RR
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So it's like a blob of the same stuff that makes up the stem of a Shroom just no cap?
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yep..
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Re: GT forming stones? [Re: biologys]
#14273563 - 04/11/11 04:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Just a little update. He tells me his WBS jars that had the blobs in them were bulked with coir/EWC/gypsum/verm. They colonized and have been in fruiting for about a week now. The blobs still continue to grow even splitting the sub in several places. One that was half way out was photographed here. Very dense, this one weighed in at 4.769 grams.
There are about 6 that are visibly breaking through the sub and zero fruit... 
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Looks like a sclerotium? Crack it in half- is it stringy or fibrous? Or more like nutmeat?
also, how does it taste? Metallic and nutty?
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Re: GT forming stones? [Re: Doc_T]
#14273914 - 04/11/11 05:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: Looks like a sclerotium? Crack it in half- is it stringy or fibrous? Or more like nutmeat?
also, how does it taste? Metallic and nutty?
He said it snapped in half and has the texture of a moist nut. When he tasted it it crumbled when bit and tasted almost like a raw almond. It did have a strong metallic after taste at the back of the tongue.
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You got stones. Don't know why, mislabeled syringe apparently.
5g sclerotia is roughly equal to a one dry gram of cubensis. Chow down, report back!!
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Re: GT forming stones? [Re: Doc_T]
#14274022 - 04/11/11 06:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: You got stones. Don't know why, mislabeled syringe apparently.
5g sclerotia is roughly equal to a one dry gram of cubensis. Chow down, report back!!
Damn, he was looking forward to the GT. Stones should be fun though, he just wish he would have known in advance so he could have went about things differently. Is it possible that they weren't mislabeled and GT can produce stones? They were purchased by a reputable vendor that has a forum named after it (hint hint) Would a pfcakes of the same LC fruit in a SGFC? What should he do with his bulk tubes? My friend is just thoroughly confused now
Boy does that metallic after taste stick with you. He had to eat a chocolate to make it go away.
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Stones are more fun anyway. PF cakes can be fruited, I posted a thread called something like "ATL on BRF", and other people have fruited the cakes too. If you do get fruits you can make prints and trade for GT or anything else you want.
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Could it be cloned by wiping stone with alcohol, sticking 18g syringe through to get a piece stuck in needle then shooting into LC jar?
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Maybe. I've never successfully cloned to LC, though I know people do. A pack of agar costs $1.69, go that route.
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Re: GT forming stones? [Re: Doc_T]
#14274203 - 04/11/11 06:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: Stones are more fun anyway. PF cakes can be fruited, I posted a thread called something like "ATL on BRF", and other people have fruited the cakes too. If you do get fruits you can make prints and trade for GT or anything else you want.
Thank you, I found your thread. The inside of your stones look dead on like this one. His cakes are cracking out from the inside as well but have a nice fluffy white myc on the outside. Are the fruit always that small? Hopefully some will form so a print can be taken for identification purposes.
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Re: GT forming stones? [Re: Doc_T]
#14274207 - 04/11/11 06:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: Maybe. I've never successfully cloned to LC, though I know people do. A pack of agar costs $1.69, go that route.
He has a jar of LC sitting there and no dishes or agar so I'll cross my fingers for him.
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The mushrooms are pretty small, but the sclerotia go a long way towards an ID, it's gotta be one of a few species.
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Re: GT forming stones? [Re: Doc_T]
#14274927 - 04/11/11 09:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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They can be dried with no problem or loss of potency, right? Dried are they equivalent with a mushroom?
So can a cubensis form sclerotia or is it 100% with out a doubt the wrong spores?
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Edited by ThirdEyeVision (04/11/11 09:21 PM)
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If they are sclerotia, tell your friend to let em grow for a long time. They become more potent over time I have read.
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Re: GT forming stones? [Re: Divinity]
#14275095 - 04/11/11 09:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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It's a different species for sure. Dried, use about 1.5g to equal one gram of dry cubes. Check the Sclerotia FAQ for lots more info.
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Re: GT forming stones? [Re: Doc_T]
#14275237 - 04/11/11 10:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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StoneSun states that these following species/strains produce sclerotia...
Psilocybe galindoi/ATL#7 Psilocybe mexicana/A Psilocybe tampanensis/Pollock Psilocybe mexicana/Jalisco
What you have is likely one of the above.
You should be able to clone them no problem, even after they are dried and rehydrated.
Next time let them go a while longer as they get much larger that what you are showing here. You can let them go 6 months +.
RR calls them the cadillac compared to the cubensis geo.
You lucked out man, good mistake IMO....
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Re: GT forming stones? [Re: fbi365]
#14277541 - 04/12/11 11:35 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Should the stone have bruised when cut? This picture was taken roughly 12 hours after cut.
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There's no doubt those are stones but I have some questions.. Does the myc look grey and fluffy and smell different from other p. Cubensis myc that you have smelled before? If you are familiar with the smell of healthy cubensis myc you would be made aware of the difference right away
Fruit it, just like you would cubes Growing stones is easy.. Fruiting those species is hard (and then when you're done you have stones) If you get cubes I want some spores lol
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Re: GT forming stones? [Re: Wimy]
#14277836 - 04/12/11 12:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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weiliiinmyyard said: There's no doubt those are stones but I have some questions.. Does the myc look grey and fluffy and smell different from other p. Cubensis myc that you have smelled before? If you are familiar with the smell of healthy cubensis myc you would be made aware of the difference right away
Fruit it, just like you would cubes Growing stones is easy.. Fruiting those species is hard (and then when you're done you have stones) If you get cubes I want some spores lol
Not familiar with the smell, sorry. The myc is white as seen in this photo. It appears to be knotting, right? Maybe the mystery can be solved with a mushroom The picture doesn't really show the lighter myc covering the sub but he said it is pretty well covered. It's been almost a month and about a week in fruiting he said. You can see some stones breaking through even in these pics...
Do you know if the stones should have bruised?
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Edited by ThirdEyeVision (04/12/11 01:35 PM)
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Doc_T
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Will you please stop fretting?
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Re: GT forming stones? [Re: Doc_T]
#14278402 - 04/12/11 02:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: Will you please stop fretting?
Damn, stop fretting?
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It's sclerotia. Some bruise, some don't. You wanted chickens, you got ducklings. That's fine. Ducklings are cooler anyway.
Looks like ATL 7 to me, but there's no way to be sure without fruits.
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Re: GT forming stones? [Re: Doc_T]
#14278591 - 04/12/11 03:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: It's sclerotia. Some bruise, some don't. You wanted chickens, you got ducklings. That's fine. Ducklings are cooler anyway.
Looks like ATL 7 to me, but there's no way to be sure without fruits.
Not fretting, my friends just new to the hobby and got tossed a curve ball in his first game. Someone said their stones bruised so I first searched to see if they typically do bruise but I couldn't find an answer either within the forum or via google. So I asked here, I'd hate to give him bad advise then have him eat it and it's something completely different. You know?
No worries though. He's hoping for fruit for a positive ID. I really do appreciate all the advice At some point every "expert" was an apprentice.
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Looks spot on for tampeninsis also The fruits will tell. Big stones will bruise some times.
I've had healthy myc grow off of old dry stones they are like little mushrooms seeds. (did I not type that earlier?? Deja vu)
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Re: GT forming stones? [Re: Wimy]
#14296775 - 04/15/11 05:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Just a little update on the clone he tried to make by piercing a stone with needle and shooting load into LC.
It looks like it's growing. We'll see, it's been about 3 days now.
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I made to Grow Logs for my buddy. One for an attempt at fruiting in a bag and one for the clone.
Straight to LC Clone
Straight To Bag
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Ok, well he said he has a fruit. It is rather small but quite beautiful. Looks ATL to me. What do you think? Positive ID?

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Should he wait until morning to print it or will it be too late?
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Quick little update. My buddy said all tubs fruited fairly well. No spores were observed on the two prints he attempted though.
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fairly well done
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Re: GT forming stones? [Re: fbi365]
#14442307 - 05/12/11 09:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Those little buggers dry out to nothing! With ATL, stones are definitely the way to go. The fruits were more for a positive ID and to see if he could. Something odd is they actually fruited BETTER when fanning was stopped all together.... go figure.
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