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Re: TO Humble? - Possible? [Re: darkstar3616]
    #14178946 - 03/24/11 10:00 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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If i think confident, i feel like im constantly lying to myself. Thats so hard to counter. Im extremely conscience. But maybe i cant see far.. lack certain self reflection maybe if that makes sense.




Psychology uses the term 'rumination' to describe the process of analyzing depressive thoughts. It's a form of problem solving that attempts to solve internal problems with internal means. And psychology has also found that this often keeps someone who is depressed in a depressive cycle. Meaning that the thoughts themselves are keeping one depressed, and rumination leads to further thoughts which are also depressed and continue the low mood.

If action is desired, it is encouraged that depressed individuals not ruminate, but instead get outside and become active. This breaks the cycle of thoughts and allows a source of fuel to die off, raising mood.

An alternative solution is inaction, allowing thoughts to quiet. This is typically achieved through meditation or mindfulness based breathing.


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Re: TO Humble? - Possible? [Re: Kickle]
    #14179192 - 03/24/11 10:45 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Just want to get some peoples opinions on this, what they feel about the possibility of being TO humble(i believe being humble and spirituality go hand and hand). Been Depressed for years... just trying to get some help.. different perspectives, different opinions.. please



If perfection is infinite, is it really possible to be too humble, or too depressed?

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Re: TO Humble? - Possible? [Re: Godhand] * 1
    #14179247 - 03/24/11 10:57 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Not sure if it can even be perceived that way if true humbleness is present. A humble man is not acting based on the ego. He does not regard the external as an influence on his internal; rather the divine within influences the reflection outside. Not sure if that makes sense, I've been away from words for too long.

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Re: TO Humble? - Possible? [Re: OneU]
    #14179315 - 03/24/11 11:09 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

The divine within influences the reflection outside? Wow that was just what I needed to hear.. thanks for your insight. Makes a lot of sense to me.

But what exactly do you see as "the divine within"?

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Re: TO Humble? - Possible? [Re: Kickle]
    #14182057 - 03/25/11 01:05 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Kickle said:
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darkstar3616 said:
If i think confident, i feel like im constantly lying to myself. Thats so hard to counter. Im extremely conscience. But maybe i cant see far.. lack certain self reflection maybe if that makes sense.




Psychology uses the term 'rumination' to describe the process of analyzing depressive thoughts. It's a form of problem solving that attempts to solve internal problems with internal means. And psychology has also found that this often keeps someone who is depressed in a depressive cycle. Meaning that the thoughts themselves are keeping one depressed, and rumination leads to further thoughts which are also depressed and continue the low mood.

If action is desired, it is encouraged that depressed individuals not ruminate, but instead get outside and become active. This breaks the cycle of thoughts and allows a source of fuel to die off, raising mood.

An alternative solution is inaction, allowing thoughts to quiet. This is typically achieved through meditation or mindfulness based breathing.



This makes a ton of sense, because thats EXACTLY what i do, im not in that depressive situation anymore, but i cant get out of the one present for myself, I analyze shit wayyyy to much. It would make sense that im keeping myself depressed, which ive thought of before.. i just need to start getting exercise, stop doing pills, and start thinking positive instead of just waiting.. or trying to rely off trips also. I havent tripped that much or recently, but i dont think im truely helping myself with tripping if i dont do other things to back it up. etc.

I allowed to have low confidence with girls mainly, i mean i can talk to them and shit but im so self conscience and worried about making a fool of myself, which doesnt actually happen often. I've been getting better actually at this though, I think the only reason i dont give myself enough credit is because i havent fully got passed that mental block i allow myself to have. And its not like im ugly , or fat, or smell etc.. i mean i got a weird sense of humor lol, not like unacceptable type shit but just more intelligent humor usually in my opinion. Sarcastic dry humor maybe also.


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Re: TO Humble? - Possible? [Re: OneU]
    #14182065 - 03/25/11 01:07 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Not sure if it can even be perceived that way if true humbleness is present. A humble man is not acting based on the ego. He does not regard the external as an influence on his internal; rather the divine within influences the reflection outside. Not sure if that makes sense, I've been away from words for too long.



This also makes sense to me, i believe the world is perceived the way we see it, we create our own "reality" what ever reality may be in this case, or if reality even exists.


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Re: TO Humble? - Possible? [Re: Godhand]
    #14187028 - 03/26/11 02:07 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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The divine within influences the reflection outside? Wow that was just what I needed to hear.. thanks for your insight. Makes a lot of sense to me.

But what exactly do you see as "the divine within"?



It would be impossible to try and put into words "my" perception of the divine. It's you. You. It's always been you. Never been anyone else but you. This life isn't about me or them, it's about you dear being. You have spent much time seeking an external solution, an external answer when it is the silence within that holds the truth. You in your totality are perfection.

It is rather challenging in this time to be born because society has leaned considerably to the ego. Almost everything is a reflection of ego. "titles", "looks", "labels", etc. We are born into a world that defines everything through an external observation. We tell children they are either good or bad and they accept it. They don't think for themselves to know if they are bad or good, they simply take what they hear, or, listen to the ego (the external observation).

Seek truth. Humbleness is not something to be taught; it is something to fall into. As a species, we humans have collectively shifted our awareness from nature, from the process of life into something so egotistical that we have to kill ourselves or numb ourselves by misusing medicines to elude this illusion. Everything we use to harm the Earth, comes from the Earth. Everything we do to hurt each other is by our own hands. Yet we fail to take responsibility and act on this knowledge to create a better moment to live in. As a wise man said, there is neither past nor future; only eternal now. And the now only renews itself.

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Re: TO Humble? - Possible? [Re: OneU]
    #14190014 - 03/27/11 12:59 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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It would be impossible to try and put into words "my" perception of the divine. It's you. You. It's always been you. Never been anyone else but you. This life isn't about me or them, it's about you dear being. You have spent much time seeking an external solution, an external answer when it is the silence within that holds the truth. You in your totality are perfection.

It is rather challenging in this time to be born because society has leaned considerably to the ego. Almost everything is a reflection of ego. "titles", "looks", "labels", etc. We are born into a world that defines everything through an external observation. We tell children they are either good or bad and they accept it. They don't think for themselves to know if they are bad or good, they simply take what they hear, or, listen to the ego (the external observation).

Seek truth. Humbleness is not something to be taught; it is something to fall into. As a species, we humans have collectively shifted our awareness from nature, from the process of life into something so egotistical that we have to kill ourselves or numb ourselves by misusing medicines to elude this illusion. Everything we use to harm the Earth, comes from the Earth. Everything we do to hurt each other is by our own hands. Yet we fail to take responsibility and act on this knowledge to create a better moment to live in. As a wise man said, there is neither past nor future; only eternal now. And the now only renews itself.



When and how can i be this wise.


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Re: TO Humble? - Possible? [Re: darkstar3616]
    #14190143 - 03/27/11 01:38 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I think you mean "TOO humble," and YES, spelling matters. There  are differences between humility and timidity; between humility and co-dependency. There is no spirituality evident without humility; without self-importance. As the joke goes: "I am proud of my humility." But, in fact, I get along better with janitors and security guards at the school where I work, than with most teachers, administrators, and with power-loving 'higher-ups.' Why? Because no matter how exalted my 'thoughts' can be, in my humanity, I hold to humility as 'the Way to BE.' It is the sacred seed syllable 'HUM,' which refers to the energies experienced at the Brain Center (OM), descending, and indwelling the Heart Center. If anyone aspires to enlightenment, no matter what one's physical or intellectual prowess, humility speaks to a deeper, and higher, Witnessing Awareness.    OM-AH-HUM.


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Re: TO Humble? - Possible? [Re: darkstar3616]
    #14192418 - 03/27/11 01:51 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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darkstar3616 said:
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OneU said:
It would be impossible to try and put into words "my" perception of the divine. It's you. You. It's always been you. Never been anyone else but you. This life isn't about me or them, it's about you dear being. You have spent much time seeking an external solution, an external answer when it is the silence within that holds the truth. You in your totality are perfection.

It is rather challenging in this time to be born because society has leaned considerably to the ego. Almost everything is a reflection of ego. "titles", "looks", "labels", etc. We are born into a world that defines everything through an external observation. We tell children they are either good or bad and they accept it. They don't think for themselves to know if they are bad or good, they simply take what they hear, or, listen to the ego (the external observation).

Seek truth. Humbleness is not something to be taught; it is something to fall into. As a species, we humans have collectively shifted our awareness from nature, from the process of life into something so egotistical that we have to kill ourselves or numb ourselves by misusing medicines to elude this illusion. Everything we use to harm the Earth, comes from the Earth. Everything we do to hurt each other is by our own hands. Yet we fail to take responsibility and act on this knowledge to create a better moment to live in. As a wise man said, there is neither past nor future; only eternal now. And the now only renews itself.



When and how can i be this wise.



I am not wise, I am but a fool that reflects your own inner wisdom. I have already stated, fellow Love, the truth lies in the silence of your heart. Even these words I write distort the truth. Even these thoughts I have distort the truth.

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Re: TO Humble? - Possible? [Re: OneU]
    #14194108 - 03/27/11 07:50 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I read an article blog recently that I think fits very well.
http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2010/01/how-to-build-a-stronger-ego/

People often look at ego as bad, but a strong ego is strong confidence. I think humility should only be practiced to not become arrogant. Otherwise humility can tear ones self confidence.

Were you raised with the strong hand of religion?

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Re: TO Humble? - Possible? [Re: OneU]
    #14197875 - 03/28/11 01:18 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I can kinda understand, not 100% to be honest, i see what you mean now. Some of its TO deep for me at the moment. Sorry


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Re: TO Humble? - Possible? [Re: yessir]
    #14197886 - 03/28/11 01:22 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

No, not religion was ever pushed on me or introduced much by my parents, i had to go to Church when i was younger, around 6-10 maybe. Nothing to serious. I have met failure a lot, and rejection in a sense.. im scared to be rejected by society when im not, but not many people i know in person actually understand me and the way i think, the things i say, the music i listen to etc... Humility has torn my self confidence, i like to be humble because in some situations i feel arrogrance will cause conflict, and i am somewhat scared of it due to domestic violence i witnessed growing up i believe. Like im a well like person, outgoing and shit but deep down im not happy, and i worry wayyyy to much. I dont know how not to to be honest i never really learned i guess. Now that its already like that not worrying is WAY easier said than done.


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Re: TO Humble? - Possible? [Re: darkstar3616]
    #14200199 - 03/28/11 08:46 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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darkstar3616 said:
Just want to get some peoples opinions on this, what they feel about the possibility of being TO humble(i believe being humble and spirituality go hand and hand). Been Depressed for years... just trying to get some help.. different perspectives, different opinions.. please




There is a such thing as too humble for sure. I believe this is only because of practicality and other consuming egos. Try living in south central and being a buddhist monk.


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