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Poid
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Semantic satiation
#14185879 - 03/26/11 08:53 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Semantic satiation
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Semantic satiation (also semantic saturation) is a cognitive neuroscience phenomenon in which repetition causes a word or phrase to temporarily lose meaning for the listener, who can only process the speech as repeated meaningless sounds.
I feel like that all the fucking time.
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Re: Semantic satiation [Re: Poid]
#14185900 - 03/26/11 08:59 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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some words that do this for me rather quickly are... would and acknowledged
theres some others too, but those two stick out in my mind in particular.
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Re: Semantic satiation [Re: Poid]
#14185909 - 03/26/11 09:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Poid said: Semantic satiation
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Semantic satiation (also semantic saturation) is a cognitive neuroscience phenomenon in which repetition causes a word or phrase to temporarily lose meaning for the listener, who can only process the speech as repeated meaningless sounds.
I feel like that all the fucking time. 
this is exactly what happens when i hear cable news. it's all blah, blah, blah. talking heads are gonna talk.
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Huh? I can't understand a word you guys are saying...
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Re: Semantic satiation [Re: Poid]
#14185916 - 03/26/11 09:04 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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must be HAARP
doing this shit
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Re: Semantic satiation [Re: desant]
#14185936 - 03/26/11 09:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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It's like, I can always understand words, but when I take a step back and reflect on them, they appear to be just oddly meaningless...
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Re: Semantic satiation [Re: Poid]
#14185953 - 03/26/11 09:21 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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words, to me at least, are all meaningless in a general sense. theyre just a way to capture an emotion and put it into an acoustic form so it can be sent to someone else. thats why theres so many different languages. different societies found different sounds to capture their emotions accurately.
ever had a trip where you feel like some nonsense has a deep and moving meaning? its pure emotion put into sound in a new way. it means something to you, but it means nothing to somebody else because they dont quite have that emotion and it isnt an established sound to represent the emotion.
or even a trip where a once normal phrase means nothing. one time while tripping i thought "i am one of those people" and it made no sense whatsoever. i am convinced its because in the state i was i first of all wasnt a person, second of all because my emotional and intellectual being had been propelled above language into a state of pure emotion. i was trying to describe the way i felt with words, but the words just couldnt convey the feeling quite right. there are just some emotions that cant be captured by words, and thats why tripping really hard is so hard to describe. it transcends language.
also, emotional ques behind a voice can vastly change one word and make it mean separate things in different contexts.
language is weird man.
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Words are just a mental representation. It gets really hairy when you start to realize how many different sound combinations have been used in the history of human civilization.
Consider something simple like "stop" or "come"...
In English theory, we talked about something called Deconstructionism which was a theory put forth by philosopher Jacques Derrida. Basically, the bottom line to the theory is that every utterance (and not just words but pictures and music and basically everything created to express something) can be "deconstructed" to represent a deeper root meaning. Something like a Detour sign could thus be construed as mind control.
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SamuelLJackson said: words, to me at least, are all meaningless in a general sense. theyre just a way to capture an emotion and put it into an acoustic form so it can be sent to someone else. thats why theres so many different languages. different societies found different sounds to capture their emotions accurately.
To what extent do you think language conveys emotional accurately? People who speak the same language often have a hard time understanding each other precisely...
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SamuelLJackson said: ever had a trip where you feel like some nonsense has a deep and moving meaning? its pure emotion put into sound in a new way. it means something to you, but it means nothing to somebody else because they dont quite have that emotion and it isnt an established sound to represent the emotion.
I've experienced that hella times. 
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SamuelLJackson said: or even a trip where a once normal phrase means nothing.
I think tripping is what caused me to feel this way more often than usual. 
I'm probably a borderline acid casualty, though. 
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SamuelLJackson said: one time while tripping i thought "i am one of those people" and it made no sense whatsoever. i am convinced its because in the state i was i first of all wasnt a person, second of all because my emotional and intellectual being had been propelled above language into a state of pure emotion. i was trying to describe the way i felt with words, but the words just couldnt convey the feeling quite right. there are just some emotions that cant be captured by words, and thats why tripping really hard is so hard to describe. it transcends language.
I think it's interesting that, while sometimes I've had similar experiences while tripping, I've also had experiences where I become more articulate than usual and briefly gain a clearer understanding language...
I've suggested many times that there should be a language forum here, it's definitely appropriate for the Shroomery. 
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SamuelLJackson said: also, emotional ques behind a voice can vastly change one word and make it mean separate things in different contexts.
language is weird man.
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the_drummer said: In English theory, we talked about something called Deconstructionism which was a theory put forth by philosopher Jacques Derrida. Basically, the bottom line to the theory is that every utterance (and not just words but pictures and music and basically everything created to express something) can be "deconstructed" to represent a deeper root meaning. Something like a Detour sign could thus be construed as mind control.
I'd be interested in taking an online course in English theory--I like learning, but I don't really like school...
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Re: Semantic satiation [Re: Poid]
#14186086 - 03/26/11 10:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm the same way. Part of the reason I left school.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YY4CTSQ8nY
This one is audio only so it might not be that interesting but John Searle is a very well respected philosopher and this is every lecture from the whole course so that's kind of cool. http://webcast.berkeley.edu/course_details_new.php?seriesid=2010-D-67271&semesterid=2010-D
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I will definitely check those out after I get some sleep; thanks.
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Re: Semantic satiation [Re: Poid]
#14186109 - 03/26/11 10:22 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Also happens say if you're writing/typing the word many times. The spelling starts to look ridiculous,I've even had to check it even though I knew it was right.
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Re: Semantic satiation [Re: Poid]
#14186111 - 03/26/11 10:23 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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this is how it feels for me to listen to anybody for extended periods of time
they're all boring
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Re: Semantic satiation [Re: Salomon]
#14186124 - 03/26/11 10:27 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Jimtown said: Also happens say if you're writing/typing the word many times. The spelling starts to look ridiculous,I've even had to check it even though I knew it was right.
Yup, same thing. 
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Salomon said: this is how it feels for me to listen to anybody for extended periods of time
they're all boring
I don't think all people are boring--when I'm on E, or some other amphetamine, people are generally more fun to interact with, even if they usually bore me. 
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Re: Semantic satiation [Re: Salomon]
#14186128 - 03/26/11 10:29 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Did somebody say something ?
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Re: Semantic satiation [Re: Yacub]
#14186177 - 03/26/11 10:44 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I already did that:
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Poid said: Huh? I can't understand a word you guys are saying...
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SamuelLJackson said: words, to me at least, are all meaningless in a general sense. theyre just a way to capture an emotion and put it into an acoustic form so it can be sent to someone else. thats why theres so many different languages. different societies found different sounds to capture their emotions accurately.
ever had a trip where you feel like some nonsense has a deep and moving meaning? its pure emotion put into sound in a new way. it means something to you, but it means nothing to somebody else because they dont quite have that emotion and it isnt an established sound to represent the emotion.
or even a trip where a once normal phrase means nothing. one time while tripping i thought "i am one of those people" and it made no sense whatsoever. i am convinced its because in the state i was i first of all wasnt a person, second of all because my emotional and intellectual being had been propelled above language into a state of pure emotion. i was trying to describe the way i felt with words, but the words just couldnt convey the feeling quite right. there are just some emotions that cant be captured by words, and thats why tripping really hard is so hard to describe. it transcends language.
also, emotional ques behind a voice can vastly change one word and make it mean separate things in different contexts.
language is weird man.
good post. language is strange to me, tripping or no.
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Semantic satiation's a pretty cool effect alright, and you can trigger it anytime you want by just repeating a word over and over again.
noodle noodle noodle noodle noodle noodle noodle noodle noodle noodle noodle noodle noodle noodle noodle noodle noodle noodle noodle *** heh, it's already starting to sound/look weird/lose meaning.
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Jimtown said: Also happens say if you're writing/typing the word many times. The spelling starts to look ridiculous,I've even had to check it even though I knew it was right.
Yeah, I get that quite often. Some words will just look really strange. Like I can't figure out how the phonology is linked to the actual letters, or I can't figure how the word has a semantic function. Be cool to know what it is/how it happens.
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