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DonJaime
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25 grams (wet) had almost no effect
#14185872 - 03/26/11 08:52 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've been lurking and reading for 2 1/2 months and followed advice to the letter. Grew out 2 trays of Cambodian and Golden Teacher. Got pins on Monday and had a great flush by last night.
I hadn't eaten since 1:00 PM and at 8:00 PM I weighed out 25 grams of Cambodian. The Dosage Calculator said this would be a level 3 trip. A half hour later my face felt numb and I felt like I was walking through jell-o. I lay down for a half hour, and had weird thoughts and some light visuals. When I got up it had been an hour since I'd consumed. I figured it would be coming on strong any minute, but within the hour I was 100% normal.
I have taken LSD nearly 100 times, peyote once and shrooms twice, but nothing in the last 15 years. I weigh 210 and I'm in decent physical shape. This dosage should have been enough.
My question is: what the hell happened? I need feedback because my first thought was to eat 50 grams next time, but if it turns out that water weight can very drastically in fresh shrooms, and next time they're not as moist, I could end up fried. Are first flushes usually weak? Do most people eat their product dried? Where do I go from here?
Thanks.
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Re: 25 grams (wet) had almost no effect [Re: DonJaime]
#14185923 - 03/26/11 09:07 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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you scratched the wall, 35g is what you need to get over it. i weigh as much as you and trip seldomly and that my minimum dose for good stretch of tripping.
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DonJaime
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Re: 25 grams (wet) had almost no effect [Re: Grungeman17]
#14185948 - 03/26/11 09:18 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks! Guess with all my reading about cultivation, I didn't read much about tripping. Relied 100% on Dosage Calculator. What level would you say 35 grams will give?
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Re: 25 grams (wet) had almost no effect [Re: DonJaime]
#14185991 - 03/26/11 09:33 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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It can definitely vary a lot with fresh mushrooms. I've gotten laid out by 12g wet (immature fruits though, definitely a factor) and I've had 20g not do much. Dry is usually consistent though IME.
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Re: 25 grams (wet) had almost no effect [Re: sorahtak]
#14186196 - 03/26/11 10:51 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Are you guys talking about actually doing 20grams or 2.0 grams just wandering I had a mind bender the other night with 7 grams OR...wow I just wanted to know because if I could eat that much that would be insane and im ready for it...please explain...
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BothHands
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Re: 25 grams (wet) had almost no effect [Re: DonJaime]
#14186202 - 03/26/11 10:53 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Are you on any medications? Often when people experience ligher effects than expected, it's due to medication. But you're a pretty big guy, so chances are you'll need a bigger dose. It might just be that.
@ greenthumb: They're referring to wet weight. 20 grams wet = 2 grams dry.
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LanLord
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Re: 25 grams (wet) had almost no effect [Re: BothHands]
#14186244 - 03/26/11 11:04 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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BothHands said: Are you on any medications? Often when people experience ligher effects than expected, it's due to medication. But you're a pretty big guy, so chances are you'll need a bigger dose. It might just be that.
@ greenthumb: They're referring to wet weight. 20 grams wet = 2 grams dry.
With regards to medications, it all depends upon which kind. Some will effectively stop a psychedelic trip. Others will enhance it.
With regards to how large he is, I don't believe that makes an iota of difference. It's the brain that is effected, weight isn't going to change the size of the brain.
And, yes, 20 gm fresh really isn't all that much.
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Re: 25 grams (wet) had almost no effect [Re: LanLord]
#14186260 - 03/26/11 11:08 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Try 40 grams wet next time.
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BothHands
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Re: 25 grams (wet) had almost no effect [Re: LanLord]
#14186411 - 03/26/11 11:41 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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LanLord said: With regards to medications, it all depends upon which kind. Some will effectively stop a psychedelic trip. Others will enhance it.
With regards to how large he is, I don't believe that makes an iota of difference. It's the brain that is effected, weight isn't going to change the size of the brain.
And, yes, 20 gm fresh really isn't all that much.
Yes, but very few people are on medications that enhance psychedelic trips, and 90% of America is on antidepressants. And MAOIs will only improve your trip if you take only it right before the trip. But if you take it on a daily basis, it will cause your serotonin receptors to downregulate, decreasing effects.
And I'm pretty sure weight is an issue. Amphetamines affect the brain, but weight is still an issue. Same goes for DXM and opiates. I've personally dosed a 6'9 200 something pound person with 4-AcO-DMT, and he had much lighter effects than me, at 115 pounds.
And depending on genetics, 25 grams can be a damn good dose for me.
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DonJaime
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Re: 25 grams (wet) had almost no effect [Re: BothHands]
#14187833 - 03/26/11 05:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm not on any medications except Caffeine, Nicotine, and occasionally Christine, when she can come by. 
I need a good cleansing of my mind and spirit, but I don't want to be so whacked that I can't bring anything back from the other side. I'm drying some in Brown Rice until my Indicating Drierite comes in, but I won't have enough dry to do by next weekend. I've got probably 100 pins coming up though -- should be a whole canopy -- and can do as much fresh as I want by next Friday.
What's the general concensus: about 40 grams for a level 3 experience?
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Re: 25 grams (wet) had almost no effect [Re: Grungeman17]
#14187900 - 03/26/11 05:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Grungeman17 said: i weigh as much as you and trip seldomly and that my minimum dose for good stretch of tripping.
Weight has absolutely nothing to do with it. The receptors that these active substances dock onto are equally numerous in short skinny people as they are in large obese people.
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DonJaime
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Re: 25 grams (wet) had almost no effect [Re: German Kahuna]
#14188203 - 03/26/11 06:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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German Kahuna said: Weight has absolutely nothing to do with it. The receptors that these active substances dock onto are equally numerous in short skinny people as they are in large obese people.
I wasn't aware of that, but it makes sense. That's good to know. So a proper dose for a 100 lb. woman wouldn't be 1/2 that of a 200 lb. man(like it would with alcohol, which is based on blood/alcohol content).
Once I get the proper dosing figured out I want to send some to my sister. She has Chronic Fatigue syndrome and would like to try shrooms again.
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Re: 25 grams (wet) had almost no effect [Re: DonJaime]
#14188463 - 03/26/11 07:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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- You could be taking medication that dulls the effects. - You can increase absorption rate (and decrease the time it affects you) by taking them with lemon juice/vinegar - I find that visuals are far easier to bring on in low/no light (my mind seems more likely to make shit up when there's less incoming information).
If you do try to go for a big dose, I'd recommend trying the lemon tek; that way if you've gone overboard, at least it'll be fora shorter period of time. Of course it'll increase the effect from x grams, so you'll want to dose accordingly.
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Re: 25 grams (wet) had almost no effect [Re: DonJaime]
#14188588 - 03/26/11 07:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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DonJaime said:
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German Kahuna said: Weight has absolutely nothing to do with it. The receptors that these active substances dock onto are equally numerous in short skinny people as they are in large obese people.
I wasn't aware of that, but it makes sense. That's good to know. So a proper dose for a 100 lb. woman wouldn't be 1/2 that of a 200 lb. man(like it would with alcohol, which is based on blood/alcohol content).
Once I get the proper dosing figured out I want to send some to my sister. She has Chronic Fatigue syndrome and would like to try shrooms again.
Oh crap, there are some non PC responses to that statement. But... I think men and women are affected differently. I seem to read more about women having strong or bad trips than men. It might be an emotional state of mind thing, or it may be that whole venus/mars thing. I don't know.
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Re: 25 grams (wet) had almost no effect [Re: German Kahuna]
#14189349 - 03/26/11 10:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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German Kahuna said:
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Grungeman17 said: i weigh as much as you and trip seldomly and that my minimum dose for good stretch of tripping.
Weight has absolutely nothing to do with it. The receptors that these active substances dock onto are equally numerous in short skinny people as they are in large obese people.
I don't know that that's true. It distributes itself equally in your blood. It doesn't all get into your brain and stay there. You only have a certain amount of blood in your brain at a time. And if the chemical is diluted by being dissolved in a lot of blood, there won't be the same amount in the brain. As far as I know, the BBB isn't a one way street. The blood leaving the brain leaves with the psilocin.
I could be wrong, but I don't think so.
I don't know that it's linear though, so I wouldn't give a 200 pound person twice that of a 100 pound person.
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Re: 25 grams (wet) had almost no effect [Re: BothHands]
#14191272 - 03/27/11 09:37 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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what you described is pretty much what to expect from eating 25 or 2.5 g dry
needless to say 2.5 is a pussy ass dose unless you are new to tripping
if you want an intense experience go with 4g+
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Grungeman17



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Re: 25 grams (wet) had almost no effect [Re: shroomiin]
#14191715 - 03/27/11 11:33 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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saying weight has "nothing" to do with varations of substance distribution to the brain, i don't agree with. like said it isn't like alcohol but to state body weight as a complete non-variable in distributiion to the brain of an ingested chemical is impartial IMO.
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