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Re: Mindblowing trip on 9 grams, talking with "God", no longer athiest (please read) [Re: Sobercolober]
    #14226529 - 04/02/11 02:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

because if you think that life has some ultimate meaning, or that there is more to life after death, then you're always searching for something you will never ever find.

A lot of people would say "life is pointless, so why do you even care?" while I say "life is pointless, THAT'S why I care!".
You see, when you know that there's no point, the only point becomes enjoying the experience you have. :shrug:
I'm happy and I think life is pointless, and when you die, you're just dead. Might as well enjoy the time you've got, right? :shrug:


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Re: Mindblowing trip on 9 grams, talking with "God", no longer athiest (please read) [Re: Anthony917]
    #14226574 - 04/02/11 03:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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because if you think that life has some ultimate meaning, or that there is more to life after death, then you're always searching for something you will never ever find.




I have not made a conclusion, maybe there is a point, maybe not.
I like that, I don't know man.

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A lot of people would say "life is pointless, so why do you even care?" while I say "life is pointless, THAT'S why I care!".





What do you care about?

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You see, when you know that there's no point, the only point becomes enjoying the experience you have. :shrug:





Or help others too, you have empathy?

Do you think other peoples lives are pointless as well?

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I'm happy and I think life is pointless, and when you die, you're just dead. Might as well enjoy the time you've got, right? :shrug:





I am glad you are happy but remember there is only no point for 1 person it effects no one except you.


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Re: Mindblowing trip on 9 grams, talking with "God", no longer athiest (please read) [Re: Sobercolober]
    #14226605 - 04/02/11 03:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Or help others too.

Remember there is only no point for 1 person, you.




well it's really up to you to determine whether or not your life has a "point". And I don't mean to say that your life is pointless, I mean to say that there is no "meaning of life". You know, you can do great things with your life and accomplish everything you ever wanted to, and that might be the "point" of your life. However there isn't some underlying meaning to all of our existences. We are. That's it. We can impact the world forever, and change it in an amazing way, but life in and of itself, is still pointless. Why? Because everything you do affects the living world...but everyone will die, and someday, no one will know who you ever were.

That's what I'm trying to say. We can do ANYTHING and be ANYTHING, and life has no limits. That's why I don't buy into any religion that tells me I must be a certain way.

Still, pointless life.


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Re: Mindblowing trip on 9 grams, talking with "God", no longer athiest (please read) [Re: Anthony917]
    #14226647 - 04/02/11 03:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You think the universe becoming self aware is pointless?

I am not convinced the human being has the capabiliy of accurately determining pointlessness so if you don't mind I will just say, I don't know.


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Re: Mindblowing trip on 9 grams, talking with "God", no longer athiest (please read) [Re: Sobercolober]
    #14226753 - 04/02/11 03:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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You think the universe becoming self aware is pointless?

I am not convinced the human being has the capabiliy of accurately determining pointlessness so if you don't mind I will just say, I don't know.




Yes. Maybe. No. :shrug:
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Re: Mindblowing trip on 9 grams, talking with "God", no longer athiest (please read) [Re: Anthony917]
    #14226989 - 04/02/11 04:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

the psychedelic experience should be separated from religion or any interpretation of :god:

the idea of enlightenment or higher dimensions is well and good, for the individual. religion happens when one tries to put into words the indescribable and convey their personal experience to someone else. that's the whole point, writing a book about god and trying to get people to agree with your idea of the divine is ignorant and not productive, psychedelics tell you to write your own book, but not to go around telling people it's the only way. like RP said, life is about experience. how can we ever wholly agree on the specifics of divinity with such vastly different cultural references?

people sometimes gain valuable insights from psychedelics and feel the desire to share what they've learned as it can have a positive effect on their lives, and who doesn't like spreading the :feelsgoodman:

most of us are here because we enjoy the experience on some level, from an individual perspective, when we try to articulate "truth" it all falls to pieces


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Re: Mindblowing trip on 9 grams, talking with "God", no longer athiest (please read) [Re: joemolloy]
    #14228642 - 04/02/11 10:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Let me see if I can spoil the party.

I was an atheist, a critically minded rational thinker my whole life.  After many oral DMT trips and experiences just like yours my world view changed.  I became God, met God, felt divinity, experienced textbook Buddhist enlightenment.  What the fuck was all of this?  It was as if a universe opened up to me that was previously hidden from view.  I was in awe of it, confused by it, and excited at the possibilities.  Here I was living out the same eternal moments that Jesus, Mohammed, all the prophets and deities and holy figures of the world felt.  What to do with it?  Nothing.  It's fucking bullshit.  The only change that I have seen is that myself and others like me become weird assholes.  It just takes YOU and amplifies you into a weirder version of yourself, not a happier or more content one.  There is nothing tangible from the trips, nothing there but strange unwordable feelings.  To construct religious beliefs from these drugs is insane.  To feel you now have hints and clues into the nature of existence is an exercise in futility and eventual madness.  To think that death or an afterlife is somehow related to these trips is wildly wishful thinking.

You were an atheist before the trip?  Apply all of your critical thinking skills, your rational thought processes, and your bullshit detector to your drug trips.  Try it, I fucking dare you, that's more scary and real than accepting your chemical enlightenment.  That'll open doors to whats really going on and what these drugs really do.  They fuck you up and turn some people into superstitious flakes.

Bring on the hate and burn this heretic at the stake, motherfuckers!




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Re: Mindblowing trip on 9 grams, talking with "God", no longer athiest (please read) [Re: joemolloy]
    #14228699 - 04/02/11 10:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

hahaha your right that post is as genius as the original. well... this thread is starting to sound kinda ummmmmm.... familiar is all i can say.  :jah:


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Re: Mindblowing trip on 9 grams, talking with "God", no longer athiest (please read) [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14228742 - 04/02/11 10:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Lmao ass of at " DMT is bullshit."
You are a very angry young man.
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HAHAHAHAHA ThIS THREAD OWNSS


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Re: Mindblowing trip on 9 grams, talking with [Re: Sobercolober]
    #14228817 - 04/02/11 10:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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A thought that has often occurred to me is that we have reality and then we shroom reality. Both are experiences. There seems to be an interplay between what is seen externally and our response, it is one phenomena.




Sort of kind of.  I've often thought (recently anyway) that the experience is more like awakening a human perceptual mode that evolved to a low set point long ago.  I mean, your senses are heightened, your brain works faster, but you see stuff that isn't there.

Talking about distant ancestors, hundred-thousands of generations back now:

Seeing stuff that isn't there might get you eaten in a world with big predators.  (Take One)

Seeing stuff better that is hard to see (natural camouflage) keeps you from being eaten in a world with big predators. So does better color vision, I suspect. (Take Two)

And I bet everybody here has noticed that color vision does an amazing transform when you're shroomed. And along the same line I see patterns better, connecting the dots in my shower tiles for instace, or the paint on the wall, until it ripples and starts to, well, you know.  (I'll try to post some examples of optical illusions that it might be cool to try both straight and shroomed...)

Anyway, your brain can only do things it has the ability to do. :tinfoil:  Your brain on mushrooms performs some things better, and other things worse.  I think it's likely there are feedback mechanisms in the brain to throttle these effects down from their max point to something that has proven itself better suited for survival over millions of years.  It doesn't mean we don't have some latent weird abilities that became dormant ages ago in humans. Evolution hangs onto weird stuff, you can find examples of this everywhere. 

Tolerance pretty much demonstrates that the brain wants to keep to a setpoint.  But tolerance builds only for a few days and then it levels out (at about 4 times a normal dose - so well, just grow more duh :lol:).

Huxley talked about a "cerebral reducing valve" for perception.  I know it's possible to change that through meditation.  And consider dreams - the most fucking weird stuff happens and you think it's real!

A couple nights ago I dreamed there was this huge leopard sitting in my back yard where the catnip grows.  It was beautiful - I called my cat to come take a look - so he jumps up on the windowsill and the leopard sees this and goes fucking nuts, comes around to my patio door and is hurling itself at it, its eyes all huge and scary and the door going "wham wham wham".  And then the leopard grabs up this stone tool it had somewhere and I just know it's gonna bust the glass!  I woke up then, went "Shit!  Cool!" - and see, that's how my dreams go. 

Are dreams real?  I really don't think so.  But when I'm sleeping my brain has freedom to go ape shit, doesn't have to throttle down the possible sensory input, and it doesn't have to make sense of weird shit, so weird shit just seems normal.  Analogy to tripping right there.

So to answer the original quote, I suspect it's a continuum.  The one grades into the other, and back again.  To me both feel perfectly natural, but I've spent something like 2000 hours in the shroomed state (so far).  :awesomenod:

:peace:PS

OK, here are some illusions I found.  They zoom for me OK when I click on them.:shrug:

First one is just freaky - try it both ways.  Just stare at it for a while and the opposing colors start to move on their own.    The second one, how many colors are there?  The third one, just check it out... :wink: The last one is the main thing, look at it straight, count the faces, then look at it shroomed and do the same. What I wanna know, did you find it easier to find the faces?




Couple of cuttlefish examples - you gotta see this stuff:



About 1:30 in this video, it's lose your mind time:



Made some changes to this post thanks to insomnia.:tongue:


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Re: Mindblowing trip on 9 grams, talking with [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #14229940 - 04/03/11 05:20 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It is interesting that as the universe evolved that it should do so to :

1)Become self aware
2)Create a symbiosis between some plant material and the apparatus of it's awareness (the brain of humans and animals) which can alter that consciousness to be able to see it in different ways.

Like a type of feedback system, where the information received can be altered by different input.Not sure where I am going but it's an interesting thought.

Of course this lies in the odd place of whether it has evolved through sheer chance / selection or if there unseen/unperceptible forces working behind the scenes. (of which we already in some instances know there is)

These videos are of interest and relevant I think,

Video 1 is a wow video and video 2 is more relevant and you need to have some patience and focus.....

Video 2 suggests that you can "tune in" to something other than normal reality and it also suggests that you need to be open to it for it to manifest. If you draw conclusion you will experience a different reality relative to that thought process. Fact is everything affects everything and therefore in some way there are just possibilites with no more validity than any other possibilty.

EDIT: I did not even see Primals message before I wrote this but checked it after I wrote this, but I spoke about feedback systems, you see when you in the flow, you in the flow:cool:





Peace:thumbup:



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Re: Mindblowing trip on 9 grams, talking with [Re: Sobercolober]
    #14229978 - 04/03/11 05:56 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

That octopus video was amazing, thanks man.

I could not get the illusions to zoom and was not sure if that is critical to what was meant to be viewed.

I think 4 colours on no. 2, the only thing I see is something
on the tyre of the truck (a bug?)

And I will wait to see for no. 4


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Re: Mindblowing trip on 9 grams, talking with [Re: Sobercolober]
    #14230102 - 04/03/11 07:39 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Dr Quantum's kewl.  Have to wait a while on the second one.

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I could not get the illusions to zoom and was not sure if that is critical to what was meant to be viewed.




Yeah it is, but I can't do anything about that. :frown:  Check my pics file if you want to.

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Re: Mindblowing trip on 9 grams, talking with "God", no longer athiest (please read) [Re: growbit]
    #14232407 - 04/03/11 06:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The way I look at it. Humans have been on this planet for at least 200,000 years... Christianity has been here for a couple thousand, which is a very recent camp.

Isn't there enough to grab on to reg worldly capitalism that makes us slaves without putting religion versus satan to the forefront. While you are waiting for GOD, they are ripping your money. Illuminati (or royal bloodline occultist groups) built up stories/religions and even the jesus myth just to make cowardish people believe in an outsider to help them, just as very many of you are today. You want to be saved, save yourself, noone else will.

When you pay tax you put money into “illuminatis“ pockets. Each generation gets enslaved via interest based dept. The Federal Reserve is a privately owned company by British Royal Bloodlines, the government burrows money from it at huge interests which can never be paid back, and your birth certificate is a warehouse receipt to pay them back. Its all about money, from the beginning of time.

They make you work for pennies and crumbs in their factories so they get filthy rich, and if you find a way out you get rewarded with large amounts of money to arrogantly put you "above" the rest. Their riches provide them protection from you. Ever see the G20 meetings? (The 20 richest economies meeting for a 3 day dinner), meeting in private and fund it with your TAX money costing over $1.3 billion. That speaks VOLUMES!! Used on 10,000+ riot police, guns, and fences to protect them from you during a 3 day dinner on how to control the population. We elect these people to serve us, but it's the complete opposite. Upper class is too rich and comfortable to care, lower class is too stupid or high to care, the middle class is too scared to do anything.


God and satan is the blindfold you put on your selves.
Money is satan. They got plenty money, and you have no money. That's all.


As for psychedelic experiences interpreted as god. I think it's awareness and DMT is the connecting interface that nature uses to communicate with each other.


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Re: Mindblowing trip on 9 grams, talking with [Re: Sobercolober]
    #14233853 - 04/03/11 10:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I think 4 colours on no. 2





3.  :smile:

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Re: Mindblowing trip on 9 grams, talking with "God", no longer athiest (please read) [Re: snail]
    #14233908 - 04/03/11 10:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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You want to be saved, save yourself, noone else will.




Yes. And the weird thing is that there's nothing to be saved from, no one to be saved by.  No hell, no heaven, no original sin.  They plant these ideas in your head before you know how to defend your thoughts and expect you to thank them later. :shrug:

People interpret psychedelic experience according to their beliefs.  If they lose these beliefs (or delusions) they can break free.

The system grinds us down for no reason better than to perpetuate itself. You can get free but resistance arises when you try. 

Just keep working on it. :alientransform:

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Re: Mindblowing trip on 9 grams, talking with "God", no longer athiest (please read) [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #14236362 - 04/04/11 02:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The "system" is actually quite complex and is not all bad.

The alternatives whilst possibly fairer are pretty unpredictable at best.

I am not convinced of the old illuminati stuff, I have a friend who was into that business but it is not a positive way to live a life, in fact many of the alternative ways of thinking are very negative indeed, focussing consistently on the bad in what one could almost say a religious way. Rarely do these things result in tangible action which benefit other humans. Other than getting stoned in a room and moaning, whilst the less priveliged work 16 hours a day in the third world. Instead of buying herbs give your money to a charity where their care could make a difference. Thats where it's at, caring for other humans.

I think it's a misnomer to think that getting stoned and shroomed automatically makes you a cool, hip, alternative, caring, free thinker who is immune from responsibility. Thats a crock of shit in the main.

I think not drawing a conclusion is the only way to be freer.


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Re: Mindblowing trip on 9 grams, talking with "God", no longer athiest (please read) [Re: Sobercolober]
    #14236653 - 04/04/11 02:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I assume this is addressed to Snail, not my short response.:shrug: 

IME nondiscrimination sets you free from desire - and it's not the same as drawing no conclusions. Although I suppose you can run with either, as well as scissors.

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Re: Mindblowing trip on 9 grams, talking with "God", no longer athiest (please read) [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #14251876 - 04/07/11 07:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Yes. And the weird thing is that there's nothing to be saved from, no one to be saved by.




I think it's returning to "self" and the removal of fear. We are all each other.

When I look at the world and when I look at society, what I see most prevalent is a whole bunch of people who are trying to climb over each other to get to the top of the pile. Everybody is so concerned with ownership of something, or climbing some corporate ladder or becoming famous or whatever it is they think success is. Nobody seems to notice each other along the way except for someone they can profit from or a companion they can feel dependent upon. And because they're kept in a cycle where they have to collect paper in order to be alive, they simply don't notice what else is going on around them. After all, the television has convinced most people that relationships, acquisition and paper and success in gathering all of the above, are all the most important things in life, and not necessarily in that order. And so, everybody goes through life in search of these three things. But they find that they are never truly happy, because most people believe in their hearts that there is something more; they're just not sure what it is. But be that as it may, as a society, we still tend to shamble along through life with the general understanding that acquisition means happiness. Because we've been trained to do this, we are usually in fear of not having what we perceive to be abundance, but we are in a state of abundance anyway. The Earth is in a state of abundance, but we perceive a state of abundance to be more money, more cash, more paper. Because people believe that it is only through the acquisition of paper that they can access the abundance that the Earth already provides for them. Yet if human beings simply started treating other people as themselves, and started a gift culture, a gift society, then everybody would have everything they needed and nobody would be in a state of shortage. Everything would simply fall into place simply by people treating each other as themselves. But people just don't seem to see this. People seem to go through life with a 'what's in it for me?' attitude, and so nothing ever changes.


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Re: Mindblowing trip on 9 grams, talking with "God", no longer athiest (please read) [Re: snail]
    #14256428 - 04/07/11 11:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Aye, the concept of "ownership" in itself is a symptom of decay. If you're saying people are brainwashed by the media, I agree.

But I disagree also, in the sense that "religion is the opiate of the masses" I doubt that dissatisfaction plays a large role in driving this process.  Few people have moments that are lucid enough to change their worldviews, the world around them is just too comfortable in its apparent fixity to engender larger questions.

In my country you're free to pursue happiness, but the founding fathers were lucid enough to realize that was a goal, not an attainment.  Kind of like other things that seem attractive from a distance.  However, in my country, you're not free to use psychogenic drugs in this pursuit of happiness, so you know, people have a hard time getting over the fence and into the chase.

How can anybody change all this?  One person at a time, the old fashioned way.  You seek the truth so you don't suffer anymore - when you don't suffer anymore it makes it easier for everybody else.  But neither you nor I nor anybody who's ever lived as a human has the power to impart that freedom to somebody else.  It all comes from inside - if you're lucky or stubborn or just plain disagreeable enough to not want to settle for what they're handing out in place of the real deal.

It's late and I had a tremendously deep trip and worked for hours on own particular vehicles of change, so I can't offer anything else, but wish you very much luck. :smile:

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