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Re: The goal line [Re: Kickle]
    #14179316 - 03/24/11 11:09 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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How is death the goal?





Because we are all racing towards it.

No matter what route one takes, we all end up at the same destination. At least as far as I can know.




The origin is also the same as the destination. In the middle we may seem like born and dying individuals, but...

Anyways I had a similar thought yesterday that we are "racing towards the end of time", word by word. Funny coincidence :smile2:

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Re: The goal line [Re: Kickle]
    #14180945 - 03/25/11 08:43 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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To live a simple life. I'm in a stage of cleaning out clutter. Emotionally and materially.




:thumbup: I live a simple life.  But sometimes I wonder if it is because I do not have the energy to live a complicated life.

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Re: The goal line [Re: Tony]
    #14181081 - 03/25/11 09:28 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Kickle said:
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oxalic32 said:
How is death the goal?





Because we are all racing towards it.

No matter what route one takes, we all end up at the same destination. At least as far as I can know.




The origin is also the same as the destination. In the middle we may seem like born and dying individuals, but...

Anyways I had a similar thought yesterday that we are "racing towards the end of time", word by word. Funny coincidence :smile2:





My thoughts exactly just in different/better words.

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Re: The goal line [Re: Kickle]
    #14181314 - 03/25/11 10:33 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I'm at a point of dispassion and want nothing further for this world. Everything to this point has been an observation. I'm not trying to change any of it. I feel it's a race, but I'm not trying to say I don't want it to be a race. I feel sorry for the man who will work until he drops, but I am not trying to change it.




Letting things be is letting them be, not changing them. That is what im saying. And even if you live here and now you still should not be attached to it. You should be ready to let go at any moment because most people don't see it coming.

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Re: The goal line [Re: oxalic32]
    #14183114 - 03/25/11 06:31 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Letting things be is the way I see that life is suffering. Including my own life.


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Re: The goal line [Re: Kickle]
    #14184615 - 03/25/11 10:56 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Letting things be is the way I see that life is suffering. Including my own life.




You can't change life, you can change your mind. In life you have control of yourself and not much more.

I'm not saying keep your life exactly how it is. But you can't walk around wanting/expecting.

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Re: The goal line [Re: Kickle]
    #14185441 - 03/26/11 04:22 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

How far is heaven?

Closer than close, closer than the feeling 'I'


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Re: The goal line [Re: oxalic32]
    #14186079 - 03/26/11 10:09 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Letting things be is the way I see that life is suffering. Including my own life.




You can't change life, you can change your mind. In life you have control of yourself and not much more.

I'm not saying keep your life exactly how it is. But you can't walk around wanting/expecting.




I don't want control of anything. Because IMO it's always an illusion.


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Re: The goal line [Re: HippieChick8]
    #14186101 - 03/26/11 10:16 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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To live a simple life. I'm in a stage of cleaning out clutter. Emotionally and materially.




:thumbup: I live a simple life.  But sometimes I wonder if it is because I do not have the energy to live a complicated life.




I wonder what a complicated life really is, except clouded by empty pursuits.
When they are seen as empty, what energy could be taken? What could possibly be gained?


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Re: The goal line [Re: Kickle]
    #14186560 - 03/26/11 12:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Where is it and how far does one have to travel to get there?




I'm liking this thread and am really identifying with what it is that you are expressing kickle!

Heaven, as its called, really is here and now.  The distance traveled is a Rubix cube of concepts and belief that needs to be aligned or positioned in one's mind to experience.  Then a resonant field is established with what already is here and has been.  And, its schizophrenia as 'we' know it.  Very clever.  Like a metaphysical double bind. 

Then, what if, to them, the nations truly are 'grass?'  What about you???

'They' are indifferent and cruel some of them.  They judge.  And they learn from us and reflect our current egoic state allot of the time.  They take what they want ruthlessly.  There is a war in heaven!  I'm sure its not what you are looking for.

In finding heaven one quickly realizes that there is a problem in that you come to find that you now need liberation.  The representatives of said realm are the real problem on this planet.

Its a judgmental thing, man.  And they are hypocrites!  Seek a place of acceptance is the only advice I have.

The goal is to not get taken over and there is no line...  More like Alan Watts illustrates...  A beckoning by your true self that cuts through the congestion that creeps in and keeps you keeping on and valuing freedom instead of material success.

A light at the end of the tunnel might be the only thing that you have left after you experience the evil in there that maintains righteousness in using the negative to enforce their agenda.

Of course I have my own views on what the Heaven was that was experienced and described.  I feel they differ from the romanticized mainstream version in that its a more biophysical mechanistic system of mind interaction and energy exchange happened upon after fully transcending one's egoic structure or dismantling it.  Rather than a narrative its a realm to be navigated.  And, your mind starts to adapt and things get very 'buggy' or alien.

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Re: The goal line [Re: Kickle]
    #14186612 - 03/26/11 12:31 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Do you have any clarity regarding which pursuits are empty and which are not?

Oh, maybe that was the reason for this post...

My life is quite simple in some ways.  In others, quite complex due to the responsibilities I've taken on.  I occasionally struggle with the value of these complicating responsibilities (i.e. is it all for nothing?), but consider them a safe bet in the meantime as far as minimizing the suffering of sentient beings is concerned. 

If the goal is being at peace with death, would facilitating such sentiments in other people then be a worthwhile pursuit? 

If one somehow attains peace with death but by the end has driven others further from such peace, has their existence then been a net FAIL?

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Re: The goal line [Re: DisoRDeR]
    #14186654 - 03/26/11 12:43 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Far as I can tell all things are empty. All pursuits of things then must too be empty.

It's interesting, trying to respond to you I'm trying to pursue an accurate answer. Yet at the same time, I know that such a pursuit is fruitless. I know that if I were to stop pursuing, that is where the fruit would be. Take that for what you will.


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Re: The goal line [Re: Kickle]
    #14186750 - 03/26/11 01:09 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Do you suppose that if you stopped pursuing, a natural result of this would be an increase in the probability of others finding the fruit?  :tongue:

This is what has been on my mind lately... whether approaching the fruit is a selfish investment, or if it will naturally spill out as a benefit to others.  Or if it matters at all.

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Re: The goal line [Re: DisoRDeR]
    #14186843 - 03/26/11 01:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

It seems to me that things come and things go. And seeing this balance, how can I believe I control the occurrence of any thing any more than I control its disappearance?


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Re: The goal line [Re: Kickle]
    #14186937 - 03/26/11 01:47 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Far as I can tell all things are empty. All pursuits of things then must too be empty.




What do you mean by empty here?


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Re: The goal line [Re: deCypher]
    #14186972 - 03/26/11 01:56 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Anyone can pursue anything by providing meaning. But we cannot actually fill anything with meaning, so the pursuit remains empty.


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Re: The goal line [Re: Kickle]
    #14186983 - 03/26/11 01:58 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Are you saying that no one can derive meaning/fulfillment from anything?  :undecided:


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Re: The goal line [Re: deCypher]
    #14187006 - 03/26/11 02:04 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, I am.

This line of thought reminds me a lot of Victor Frankl's work. He describes that finding meaning is man's responsibility. And I think he describes it as a responsibility because the thing itself does not contain the meaning, we must find it by bringing it ourselves.


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Re: The goal line [Re: Kickle]
    #14187029 - 03/26/11 02:08 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Ah okay, I can agree that the external things don't contain meaning in and of themselves; however their presence still seems to be necessary in order to get that feeling of fulfillment.  I think we can still truthfully say that we derive meaning from an activity because the derivation comes from our interaction with the external thing or event.  :pipesmoke:


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Re: The goal line [Re: deCypher]
    #14187041 - 03/26/11 02:11 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

All I see is an unconscious projection into emptiness :smirk:


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