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spawn to cassing ratio
    #14182094 - 03/25/11 01:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

im about to spawn my first tub and was wondering if anyone could give me a good casing to spawn ratio. i have 1 pound of spawn at 100% colonized and was just need a little help with the little details on my first run. btw i tried jars several times all fails and then i switched to bags and have 3 beautiful ones going with no problems at all i even moved to a new house mid colonization and no problems

anyways thanks for any info guys


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Re: spawn to cassing ratio [Re: fungushua]
    #14182128 - 03/25/11 01:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think you mean substrate not casing. We spawn to bulk substrate. Casing is a non-nutritious layer that you put on your bulk substrate once fully colonized to help w/ RH issues.

1 large bag of spawn = 1 monotub @ a 1:2 ratio (spawn to substrate)

Check my signature in the AMU  Q&A Link there's a lot of good info concerning bulk grows on the first few pages.

Also, Damion5050's Elementary Coir Tek is the easiest most KISS substrate recipe I've found. I use it all the time w/ great success...


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Re: spawn to cassing ratio [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14182364 - 03/25/11 02:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Just use wax paper as your "casing". It really works just as good and less likely to contam your grow opp. Some folks F-up their grows when they fail to pasteurize their casing properly.


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Re: spawn to cassing ratio [Re: ronjohn7779]
    #14182410 - 03/25/11 02:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

1:3 works good for me. But yea if you can do 1:2. It will colonize faster.


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Re: spawn to cassing ratio [Re: ronjohn7779]
    #14182427 - 03/25/11 02:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

How much does 1 brick of coir expand to when using Damion5050's tek?  8 quarts?  I found a great deal online for coir, and it says that it expands to 2.5 gal = 10 quarts.  Other coir bricks say the same -0.33 cubic feet = 2.5 gal = 10 quarts.

Is that 1 gallon of boiling water per brick of coir, 2 quarts of verm viable for coir bricks that expand to 2.5 gallons? I guess I am just concerned about over saturating my substrate. I always thought 1 brick of coir was about 8 quarts when hydrated.  Should I add another quart of boiling water to account for the extra 2 quarts of coir?


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Re: spawn to cassing ratio [Re: M11]
    #14182446 - 03/25/11 02:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

1 gallon of water per brick and verm..and you'll be fine.


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Re: spawn to cassing ratio [Re: M11]
    #14182454 - 03/25/11 02:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I just eyeball everything. I saturated 1 brick and saw what it gave me and went from there.
I'll totally submerge the coir and just use it the next day,
squeezing out excess moisture before mixing it with the spawn.


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Re: spawn to cassing ratio [Re: M11]
    #14182462 - 03/25/11 02:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

NO! don't add any extra water! I added 1 extra quart the first time & the tubs were fine, but def. didn't yield as good as my 1 gallon of water tubs.

Normally a brick of coir (600-650 grams) is between 8-10 quarts. If you're using FINE verm use 3 quarts if using course use 2 quarts.

Follow the tek to the T & you'll be golden. If you want to add gypsum, add it to the boiling water before you dump the gallon of water in your bucket.


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Re: spawn to cassing ratio [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14182552 - 03/25/11 02:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Excellent advice.  I usually just pasteurize my substrate on a massive outdoor gas stove by thoroughly stirring until the core temp of the substrate hits about 175 F for 30 minutes.

The water content concerned me because I know how easy it is to overdue the water.  Doesn't take much. 

I think this tek will be much easier to do lots of substrate prep quickly. 

I could get 5 or so runs easily done in a night.


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Re: spawn to cassing ratio [Re: M11]
    #14182570 - 03/25/11 02:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I use the pillowcase method for manure.

It works great :thumbup:

It takes a little experience to squeeze out the right

amount of water, however.


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Re: spawn to cassing ratio [Re: m00nshine]
    #14182595 - 03/25/11 02:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

yeah thanks for the lingo correction like a said im kinda a newb here. that is what i should of said not casing. thanks for the help and wish me luck guys!!


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Re: spawn to cassing ratio [Re: m00nshine]
    #14182601 - 03/25/11 02:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yea, the most I've done in a single run w/ Damion's tek is 3, but that's because I only have 3 buckets...lol

GL buddy :awethumb:


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Re: spawn to cassing ratio [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14182839 - 03/25/11 05:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

How would you suggest pasteurizing earth worm castings with this method?  Throw 1-2 quarts of worm castings into the boiling water with the 1 quart of gypsum and then pour it onto the coir/verm in the bucket?  Or would you have to pasteurize the worm castings differently all together?

The main benefit of using worm castings is the number of beneficial microbes they sustain.  I would think that tossing it into boiling water would destroy part of what makes worm castings so useful. 

Maybe it would be better to just toss the worm castings in with the verm and coir?  I am just not sure if that would be enough to effectively pasteurize completely...


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Of course, then there's the problem of eating vermiculite. On the bright side, it makes your poop and teeth glitter.  Just pretend it's christmas.
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Re: spawn to cassing ratio [Re: M11]
    #14186217 - 03/26/11 10:57 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Don't put them in boiling water. That will sterilize them. You want to pasteurize that way you keep the good microbes.

Measure out the amount of casings you want to use & put them in a quart jar. Put the quart jar in a pot of water & get the pot hot enough to get the center of your casings around 160 for an hour. Then you've got it pasteurized & can just toss it in w/ the coir once it's cooled a bit.

Don't put it in w/ the coir+verm before you dump your boiling water. Do it after, that way you don't damage any of the good stuff.


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