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Penis envy , to fruit as pint cakes or spawn ?
    #14181521 - 03/25/11 11:16 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Its been about 3 weeks and my 6 pint cakes are nearly finished.
im afraid that if i go to fruit these in a sgfc they woulnt preform all that well.

ive heard pe preform poorly on cakes and perhaps them being pints woulnt help,it was also hard to find alot of nice pe cake grows

so instead of going that route im thinking i may just spawn them all to an appropriate sized mono tub with a simple coir/verm/gypsum sub

the main reason of this thread is that im asking ...
what would you recommend out of the two options ?,
or if you've had any personal experience with penis envy on cakes,how did it go ?


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Re: Penis envy , to fruit as pint cakes or spawn ? [Re: RoyalPalm]
    #14181579 - 03/25/11 11:28 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i dont think spawning BRF cakes to monotubs would be the best idea. i think it would be smarter to leave the cakes as cakes.

the first time i grew mushrooms i spawned cakes to little trays and only got one flush. if i were you i just dunk, roll, and put them in a fruiting chamber.

dont take my word for it, wait for other people to respond before deciding anything though. im a noob too. im on my 2nd grow right now.


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Re: Penis envy , to fruit as pint cakes or spawn ? [Re: RoyalPalm]
    #14181584 - 03/25/11 11:28 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Use cakes as cakes and use grain as spawn.
Cakes perform better as cakes rather than as spawn.

You could always clone or take spore swabs from any of the fruits your receive to continue the life cycle.


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Re: Penis envy , to fruit as pint cakes or spawn ? [Re: Dave Bowman]
    #14181594 - 03/25/11 11:31 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Use cakes as cakes and use grain as spawn.
Cakes perform better as cakes rather than as spawn.

You could always clone or take spore swabs from any of the fruits your receive to continue the life cycle.




Agreed.


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Re: Penis envy , to fruit as pint cakes or spawn ? [Re: RoyalPalm]
    #14181625 - 03/25/11 11:36 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I can't recall seeing any good PE cakes. Upon doing a quick search for "PE cakes" I did not find any good reports of people growing PE cakes.  In fact, I saw far more people having troubles than even mediocre success. Plus, you have pints cakes and those are definately not ideal.  If I were you I would certainly use them as spawn for your best chance of success.

I see some other people say to fruit them as cakes.  This is the way I see it:

If you fruit as cakes you will will have a few mushrooms grow.  It probably won't be very many of them. You need to take into account you are using pint jars, and pint ckaes tend to perform poorly. Plus, (I am guessing you were using spore syringes) multispore PE is known to fruit rather poorly a lot of the time. To me, it seems the odds are against you when it comes to fruiting the cakes as they are.

Despite what some others said, cakes make good spawn. You have more room for error when it comes to bulk substrates, but if you follow directions are proper procedures you will be fine. I think it is likely you'll have considerably more and bigger mushrooms than if you fruited the cakes.

Just my 2 cents.


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Re: Penis envy , to fruit as pint cakes or spawn ? [Re: MycoUnderground]
    #14181764 - 03/25/11 12:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

right now i'm fruiting both pe half pint cakes and cakes crumbled into trays with bulk sub. I just got done with a moderately successful first flush with the cakes and my first tray is just now pinning.

The real thing holding back PE seems to be its tremendous need for water. If you keep your cakes as cakes make sure you dunk them really good and watch your rh closely. I had a drinking straw stuck into the tops of my cakes that i kept filled with water so they could absorb as needed. Iv seen some other tricks that people seem to be using as well, such as double-stacking cakes, and fruiting the cakes with the dry verm layer up, and getting the verm really wet so it can absorb down into the cake.

Pint cakes should work better than half-pints because they hold more water and nutrients together. The only downside to pints that i can see is they take longer to colonize, therefore greater chance of contam.

That said, I'm pretty excited about my tray. the pinset looks good and I'm expecting more production out of it than the cakes i put in it. More nutrition = more shroom mass, right?

Why don't you try spawning half your cakes to bulk trays that you can fruit in your sgfc alongside your cakes?


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Re: Penis envy , to fruit as pint cakes or spawn ? [Re: residuals]
    #14182154 - 03/25/11 01:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

thanks everyone for all your opinions and ideas i appreciate it
ive got a couple days to make the final decision at least


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Re: Penis envy , to fruit as pint cakes or spawn ? [Re: RoyalPalm]
    #14182178 - 03/25/11 01:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The pe myc is denser in my opinion. It's like trying to fruit straight grains. You have to nurture it more frequently.

I think I'd spawn em to straw. Brf is good for inoculating straw and PE performs well on it. You don't typically get the first flush mutants.

This entire thing was spawned from 7 half pints of PE on brf:


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Re: Penis envy , to fruit as pint cakes or spawn ? [Re: anonjon]
    #14182259 - 03/25/11 01:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Spawn them...Fruiting cakes is a waste of time. You don't get dick for all the work you put into them. Also PE isn't that good of a yielder compared to most strains. You get large meaty fruits that weigh a ton, but your overall yield is lower then most strains. For these reason, I'd just spawn them. You'll get way more fruit.\

Only newbies should fruit cakes if they want to learn how to grow. If you're experienced enough to do a bulk grow then just do that.


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Re: Penis envy , to fruit as pint cakes or spawn ? [Re: ronjohn7779]
    #14182311 - 03/25/11 01:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I have ten jars done right now and I was trying to decide on what to do and I came to the conclusion that I will just fruit as cakes and from the good mushrooms I will take spores. So when I start mono tubs I know I will have good mushrooms! I really want to spawn to bulk but I don't think I am hope its a good decision.


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Re: Penis envy , to fruit as pint cakes or spawn ? [Re: munchiegreen]
    #14182398 - 03/25/11 02:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

ok so they shall be fruited as cakes i have a decent amount of wbs spawn so bulk will surely have its day


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Re: Penis envy , to fruit as pint cakes or spawn ? [Re: RoyalPalm]
    #14182541 - 03/25/11 02:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Spawn  your cakes...it will take more time..but it will do better..6 pints will do a nice mono tub...


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Re: Penis envy , to fruit as pint cakes or spawn ? [Re: munchiegreen]
    #14182729 - 03/25/11 04:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I have ten jars done right now and I was trying to decide on what to do and I came to the conclusion that I will just fruit as cakes and from the good mushrooms I will take spores. So when I start mono tubs I know I will have good mushrooms! I really want to spawn to bulk but I don't think I am hope its a good decision.



Clone them...and take spore prints.

You'll have a much faster turn around with liquid culture then you would with spores. Liquid culture takes 1-2 weeks to colonize a jar. Spores take 1-2 weeks of germination and then another 1-2 weeks to colonize a jar.


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Re: Penis envy , to fruit as pint cakes or spawn ? [Re: ronjohn7779]
    #14182878 - 03/25/11 05:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Or clone to grain if u haven't mastered LC.

Toss a pin or some core tissue into a grain jar.


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Re: Penis envy , to fruit as pint cakes or spawn ? [Re: anonjon]
    #14182899 - 03/25/11 05:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Or clone to grain if u haven't mastered LC.

Toss a pin or some core tissue into a grain jar.



It's alway best to clone your best fruit...then you'll have a tub of nearly the same fruits. I also always get my cloning sample from the middle of the fruit. That way I know it's generally pretty clean.

When dealing with pins you don't know what the finished product may be.


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Re: Penis envy , to fruit as pint cakes or spawn ? [Re: ronjohn7779]
    #14183227 - 03/25/11 06:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I was thinking of cloning by using the tek in which you stab the stem with a syringe. Sounds a little sketch though. Also I changed my mind and want to spawn a couple cakes to bulk.

I was going to use the two smaller trays.
How many colonized brf cakes should I put in each?
Also how much substrate? I was gonna spawn to coir then maybe case if I need to?? Any input on what I should bc I'm lost. I have researched non stop and all it does is make me more indecisive.


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Re: Penis envy , to fruit as pint cakes or spawn ? [Re: munchiegreen]
    #14183262 - 03/25/11 06:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I was thinking of cloning by using the tek in which you stab the stem with a syringe. Sounds a little sketch though. Also I changed my mind and want to spawn a couple cakes to bulk.

I was going to use the two smaller trays.
How many colonized brf cakes should I put in each?
Also how much substrate? I was gonna spawn to coir then maybe case if I need to?? Any input on what I should bc I'm lost. I have researched non stop and all it does is make me more indecisive.



Theres nothing sketchy about stabbing it for a sample. I routinely do that. How ever that trick doesn't work that well when dealing with a fruit thats hallow in the middle.

I personally collect samples and make a crap load of LCs. The needle I collect the sample with is then attached to a syringe thats been PC'ed for 90 mins with water in it (thus a sterile syringe filled with sterile water). I then squirt the sample held in the inside of the needle into a LC jar.

On side note, I don't do clone-to grain transfers. Mostly due to the fact that grain is pricey and take a lot of work to make. An LC takes 15 mins to make and only costs pennies. Basically, it take s a lot less time, money, and energy to work with LC's. Also clones routinely are filthy samples. Expect to deal with a lot of contams. Thats why I take a lot of samples and make a lot of LCs with those samples.


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Re: Penis envy , to fruit as pint cakes or spawn ? [Re: ronjohn7779]
    #14183336 - 03/25/11 07:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Oh so while the syringe is sterilizing you are taking your samples by stabbing the needle through the stem correct or stabbing it through the middle of the fruit? Sorry I fucked up your thread. My main trouble with LC is making the solution.


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Re: Penis envy , to fruit as pint cakes or spawn ? [Re: munchiegreen]
    #14183388 - 03/25/11 07:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Oh so while the syringe is sterilizing you are taking your samples by stabbing the needle through the stem correct or stabbing it through the middle of the fruit? Sorry I fucked up your thread. My main trouble with LC is making the solution.




Well I pre-make the syringes a day in advance. You need the liquid to cool to room temp. Same goes for the LC. If I'm being lazy I'll just pc the syringes when making the LC for 15 mins.

You just stab the fruit and twist/rotate the need then pull it out of the fruit. I just stab it right across holding the mushroom right side up (i.e caps up. Like I said this trick doesn't work well when the fruit is hallow or overly ripened. Also if you want you can clean the mushroom down with alcohol or hydrogen peroxide.

If the needle trick doesn't work you'll need to sanitize some scissors (in the PC) and cut out some samples. I'll also sometimes dip the sample in alcohol before placing it in the LC.

Ideally, if the needle trick works do that. It's the more sanitary way of doing things.


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Re: Penis envy , to fruit as pint cakes or spawn ? [Re: ronjohn7779]
    #14183401 - 03/25/11 07:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Alright thanks man. Ill def be doing that once my first flush comes in


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Re: Penis envy , to fruit as pint cakes or spawn ? [Re: munchiegreen]
    #14183435 - 03/25/11 07:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Alright thanks man. Ill def be doing that once my first flush comes in



No prob...Also don't clone the caps..just the stems. Caps are full of spores (you could just be colonizing spores) worse yet spore are filthy so you might contaminate things.

Also, don't clone fruits that are littered with spores on them. Worst case, clone a fruit a little early.


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