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Is vermiculite really necessary?
    #1417969 - 03/30/03 06:58 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

I don't trust it. If mushrooms are growing on it, it means they will suck water and nutrients contaminated with vermiculite. (law of diffusion)

Is it reall necessary? Can i use rice on its own or will it dry out to quickly? Or is there a way to add up water during growth?

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Re: Is vermiculite really necessary? [Re: ]
    #1417971 - 03/30/03 07:02 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

> If mushrooms are growing on it, it means they will suck water and nutrients contaminated with vermiculite.

So does this mean if tomatoes are grown in soil they will suck up nutrients "contaminated" with soil?
Do you eat tomatoes? Do you eat soil the tomatoes are grown on?

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Re: Is vermiculite really necessary? [Re: Anno]
    #1417976 - 03/30/03 07:15 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

vermiculite isnt a contaminant, it's inert. But if you cant get verm there are other recipes you can use. The point is you can't just leave it out, every part of a substrate formula serves a purpose.

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Re: Is vermiculite really necessary? [Re: Fcuerkt]
    #1417990 - 03/30/03 08:05 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

Anno, plants use NPK and microelements from soil mostly. Other stuff stays in soil.

Vermiculite moleculs are small enough to be absorbed by plants/mushrooms therefore when you eat shrooms you eat vermiculate as well.

Either way, i wouldn't expect a stupid woman to know anything about microbiology.


Fcuerkt, what other things can i use besides vermicultite / perlite?

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Re: Is vermiculite really necessary? [Re: ]
    #1417994 - 03/30/03 08:19 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

don't be disrespectin' Anno now, he's a guy, first off. and secondly he's helped more newbies in this forum than probably anyone else, third and finally he knows what he's talking about.


also there's no flaming in here. jerk.  :tongue: 


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Re: Is vermiculite really necessary? [Re: ]
    #1417998 - 03/30/03 08:32 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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Either way, i wouldn't expect a stupid woman to know anything about microbiology.



plus this is not gonna go down well here. there are plenty of XX growers who do a fine job. good luck, you may need it.


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Re: Is vermiculite really necessary? [Re: ]
    #1418000 - 03/30/03 08:32 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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Either way, i wouldn't expect a stupid woman to know anything about microbiology.




No flame, just fact. How little you know is well demonstrated in your words  :wink:

If you ever get 1/100th as good as ANNO at mycology, you will be doing better than most.

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Re: Is vermiculite really necessary? [Re: ]
    #1418004 - 03/30/03 08:36 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

>Vermiculite moleculs are small enough to be absorbed by plants/mushrooms

That?s an interesting theory....Do you have any source for this claim?

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Re: Is vermiculite really necessary? [Re: ]
    #1418010 - 03/30/03 08:46 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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Either way, i wouldn't expect a stupid woman to know anything about microbiology.




So, who pissed in your cereal this morning?

Someone who very likely has forgotten more about mycology than you will ever know offers to answer your question, and this is how you reply?

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Re: Is vermiculite really necessary? [Re: ]
    #1418032 - 03/30/03 09:16 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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Either way, i wouldn't expect a stupid woman to know anything about microbiology.





I wouldnt expect someone who hasnt graduated college to know anything about microbiology either. Its obvious you have no clue to support your evidence and your just resorting to attacking the author, which is just a lame attempt at trying to make yourself look correct. Your some kid who thinks he knows it all at the age of 15 or 16, and if your any older you need to learn to grow up kid.

I've eaten vermiculite cakes that obviously have a very high concentration of vermiculite. Here I am, still standing, still perfectly fine. Dont you think that if vermiculite is toxic they would warn you about it on the package?

By the way anno is probably the highest ranking and most respected mod on this board, good job of trrying to make fun of anno because all it did was make you look that much more inexperienced and that much dumber. Another thing that made your ignorance evident is that you tried making it look like women are less then men, good job neadritha. I can make fun of you because I have proof of your stupidity.  :grin:


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Re: Is vermiculite really necessary? [Re: Diploid]
    #1418038 - 03/30/03 09:21 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

Ya when me and my friends eat shrooms we try to get the ones grown in shit cause as all you know if the shroom is grown in shit it must be made of shit. LOL We love to eat shit.
No matter what you grow a shroom on its still a shroom just cause you use vermiculite, WBS, the pf tek, or any other of the many ways of growing, the mushroom still is made out of the same stuff. If this was true about the verm allot of mushrooms would be really shinny. And others would taste like brown rice while others (my favorite) would taste like a cows ass. And vermiculite is mica, its a type of rock how the hell is a mushroom supposed to absorb a rock? I do not care how fine you powderize verm it still does not have the ability to be absorbed by a plant/mushroom. How is it possible? Please tell us Weedless how a mushroom is supposed to absorbe a type of rock, I am interested in this theory of yours.

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Re: Is vermiculite really necessary? [Re: dr4g0n]
    #1418043 - 03/30/03 09:27 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

> good job of trrying to make fun of her

Him, please, him :wink: 

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Re: Is vermiculite really necessary? [Re: Anno]
    #1418096 - 03/30/03 10:20 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

:shocked: i changed that to "anno" right after I posted it, i dunno how you read "her"  :confused: Bad timing i suppose


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Re: Is vermiculite really necessary? [Re: ]
    #1418107 - 03/30/03 10:27 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

Sorry, I just can't let this one slide by. Too damn irritating.
Weedless, why don't you change your nickname from Weedless to Brainless? Apparently you are the stupid one.
First, Anno is a guy. He just happens to like the lady who is shown in his avatar.
Second, Anno is one of a very few highly respected people here who have an EXTREME amount of mycological knowledge and experience. His advice is always correct, based on experience, and well-founded in fact.
Third, Anno more than ANYONE is constantly kind enough to share his knowledge to the benefit of the entire community, and to the benefit of many of us individually.
Fourth, even if Anno were female, you should have respect for women, there are probably a lot of them plenty smarter than you. And I observe this as a guy who read your silly-ass post.
Fifth, if you continue to behave like an asshole, nobody will want to help you at all.
Sixth, do you want to be enlightened by the mushroom or be a bonehead? If the latter, why not just go get drunk. It's less work.



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Re: Is vermiculite really necessary? [Re: ]
    #1418152 - 03/30/03 11:04 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Is vermiculite really necessary? [Re: Mike Elium]
    #1418163 - 03/30/03 11:12 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)


>I don't trust it. If mushrooms are growing on it, it means they will suck water and nutrients contaminated with vermiculite. (law of diffusion)

Is it reall necessary? Can i use rice on its own or will it dry out to quickly? Or is there a way to add up water during growth?



this right here shows you don't know much





>Anno, plants use NPK and microelements from soil mostly. Other stuff stays in soil.

Vermiculite moleculs are small enough to be absorbed by plants/mushrooms therefore when you eat shrooms you eat vermiculate as well.

Either way, i wouldn't expect a stupid woman to know anything about microbiology.


Fcuerkt, what other things can i use besides vermicultite / perlite?




and this shows you are plain stupid and really need our help
so apologize to anno and the rest of the board or you will get no help from kramer or anyone else worthwhile



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Re: Is vermiculite really necessary? [Re: ]
    #1418259 - 03/30/03 12:15 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

I swear my jaw dropped when he took that blow on Anno I already knew he was screwed from then on. But I wont say any thing else every body here has taken the words right out of my mouth

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Re: Is vermiculite really necessary? [Re: PJDIDDLE]
    #1418272 - 03/30/03 12:26 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

It's even more amazing that you got a just answer to your question, but felt the need to flame back anyway. This place is comprised of the collective work of PEOPLE it's not as though this board is full of machines that just spit out answers.


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Re: Is vermiculite really necessary? [Re: LightBright]
    #1418479 - 03/30/03 03:17 PM (20 years, 11 months ago)

THIS IS LOL CITY, USA !!!


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Re: Is vermiculite really necessary? [Re: LightBright]
    #1419425 - 03/31/03 06:25 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

Light bright, what fucking answer are you talking about? I didnt get a single answer yet.

"No matter what you grow a shroom on its still a shroom just cause you use vermiculite, WBS, the pf tek, or any other of the many ways of growing, the mushroom still is made out of the same stuff. If this was true about the verm allot of mushrooms would be really shinny. And others would taste like brown rice while others (my favorite) would taste like a cows ass. And vermiculite is mica, its a type of rock how the hell is a mushroom supposed to absorb a rock? I do not care how fine you powderize verm it still does not have the ability to be absorbed by a plant/mushroom. How is it possible? Please tell us Weedless how a mushroom is supposed to absorbe a type of rock, I am interested in this theory of yours. "


Ok. Here is how it works. Vermiculite absorbs water. Water comes in contact with vermiculate and diffusion occurs over period of weeks. By that time water is contaminated with vermiculite molecules. There not that much, probably 100 ppm at most but never the less, its there, mushrooms absorb contaminated water and there you have it, shrooms with vermiculite.

Now, I don't want to argue with you, i don't want to debate who knows more microbiology, all i want is advice on what i can use instead.

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Re: Is vermiculite really necessary? [Re: ]
    #1419436 - 03/31/03 06:37 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

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Light bright, what fucking answer are you talking about? I didnt get a single answer yet.




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Re: Is vermiculite really necessary? [Re: Diploid]
    #1419445 - 03/31/03 06:47 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

It wasn't my attitude, i asked nicely at first, but when that big baboon anno and his ego started giving me attitude i replied on the same frequency.

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Re: Is vermiculite really necessary? [Re: Diploid]
    #1419449 - 03/31/03 07:03 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

According to his diffusion theory if I just hold verm and add water I will absorb the contaminated verm water. According to the laws of diffusion. LOL. Now I am worried about holding wet rocks cause I do not want to absorb granite or some shit. And if you pc verm how is contaminating something? The verm does not turn water soluble, maybe the shit on the verm diffuses but I hate to dissapoint you the verm it self does not diffuse. And what is wrong with verm? What is in it to contaminate you? Every day you eat food that somewhere down the line was grown with verm and perlite. So eating a mushroom that is cased with verm is bad? This makes no sense to me. Verm has no nutritional value. If you pc the verm thier is nothing but steralized water absorbed by steralized verm, where the fuck does this contamination shit come in to play. A MUSHROOM CAN NOT ABSORB VERM PERIOD. I can give you plenty of other casing ideas that work great but prove how your diffusion theory stands when you have steralized verm with steralized water in it, where does the contamination come into play? And vermiculite (MICA) can not turn water soluble and can not be absorbed by a mushroom. So prove that first LIGHT BRIGHT and I will be more than happy to answer your oh so simple question. One I would not have to answer if Weedless just looked in the right places. ( Hint ) READ THIS BEFORE POSTING and let me guess you didnt read it did you weedless. UH DU LIGHT BRIGHT

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Re: Is vermiculite really necessary? [Re: fee]
    #1419453 - 03/31/03 07:08 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

but I hate to dissapoint you the verm it self does not diffuse.

EVERYTHING DIFFUSES IN CONTACT WITH SOMETHING

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Re: Is vermiculite really necessary? [Re: ]
    #1419455 - 03/31/03 07:11 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

by the way, it seems that your from northeast,

i wouldnt expect some ugly scally geordy HOW EVERTHE FUCK you spell it, to know anything... at all.

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Re: Is vermiculite really necessary? [Re: ]
    #1419457 - 03/31/03 07:15 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

I fear you just got a 1 week?s ban. how sad.

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Re: Is vermiculite really necessary? [Re: ]
    #1419460 - 03/31/03 07:17 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)


i think it would require facilitated/active diffusion to absorb vermiculite molecules into the fungus,

i dont think that if you added green kool-aid to the substrate you would get green mushrooms, the green coloring wouldnt just pass unchanged into the fungus like it was a sponge, perhaps this would work with a plant but not fungus, wrong lifeform.


(edit) if you were to try the kool-aid thing with a plant use red or blue coloring....

somebody please do a tek with kool-aid

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Re: Is vermiculite really necessary? [Re: fee]
    #1419464 - 03/31/03 07:21 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

I think it is clear he will not get off this theory of the mushroom absorbing vermiculite through diffusion. I would like to know where this idea came from, and its obvious him/her does not know jack.

Go to the bookstore, read books on mushroom cutivation (particularly one by Mr Paul Stamets). Or, read the FAQ, scan through posts, and research the internet. I pretty much think you lost all hope of getting help due to your attitude problem, and the multiple knocks on Anno (not cool).

Be well young ignorant one, and dont keep all that mass knowlege of mycology to yourself now.  :grin:


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Re: Is vermiculite really necessary? [Re: ]
    #1419470 - 03/31/03 07:24 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

How many pounds of mushrooms have you grown and for how long? Because I gurantee that I am a much better mycoligist. And how old are you 14? If everything diffuses why doesnt say a wet mushroom diffuse into your skin by just holding it. It dont work that way. Have you gone to a unniversity and graduated? By the way you speak to me it sure sounds that you havent. So tell me why people have to eat if, and I quote "EVERYTHING DIFFUSES IN CONTACT WITH SOMETHING". This cuputer is diffusing with me damn it I have to stop coming in contact with it,,, FUCK SHIT DAMN IT...... I cant stop the diffusion I AM BECOMING THE COMPUTER. Please Weedless tell me how to stop this diffusion. Oh I know I can put on gloves.. OH wait I will diffuse with the gloves. Please oh please Weedless tell me how to counteract this diffusion. You know so much about it you have to have the answer. And the northeast is the smartest part of the nation.. PERCAPITA...... Do you know what that means.... LIGHT BRIGHT

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Re: Is vermiculite really necessary? [Re: fee]
    #1419489 - 03/31/03 07:43 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

Well only 1 thing... so.. you eat verm. do you breath dusty air..??? no worse. no better... no big deal..

oh, 1 week anno???? come on.. perma-ban dude!!

don't be taking shit like that !!!!

Even in the face of insult,, Anno's the " MAN " .ahahahahaha..


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Re: Is vermiculite really necessary? [Re: PooPs]
    #1419515 - 03/31/03 08:20 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

Boys..... easy, he's been banned for a week. He isn't gonna read this stuff.

We all think that guys a dink, and that he drinks his own pee.

Let's end this lame-ass thread.


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Re: Is vermiculite really necessary? [Re: gee_bone]
    #1419518 - 03/31/03 08:25 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

Yea good point I can?t even believe this thing is still here someone should lock it so it can never come back

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Re: Is vermiculite really necessary? [Re: gee_bone]
    #1419522 - 03/31/03 08:29 AM (20 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks anno for the ban. But please keep an eye on him after the week is up cause from his attitude it will happen again. I think he does desserve more than a week he just flamed everyone in the northeast not even knowing that the 2 top medical hospitals lye here and the top law school in the nation. Please Anno keep an eye on him

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