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Why are psychedelics not a bigger deal? * 5
    #14178005 - 03/24/11 07:24 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

A heavy mushroom trip, for instance, to my mind is one of the most bafflling, awe-inspiring, and confusing mysteries I could ever put myself through. It makes you question many previously concrete notions about the world, the nature of time, existence, government, religion, etc. Of course sometimes it's horribly frightening, but other times it is breath-takingly beautiful, and all the more puzzling when you come down from either the horror or the beauty and realize you've just been sitting in your living room. Just add water!

So, if people seem to be on a quest for new experiences and entertainment, how has this mental circus been kept a secret? Why are people instead more likely to go looking for new clothes or cars, or job titles or degrees, or attention from the opposite sex? These things are perhaps worthwhile experiences in their own right. But is there anything more thrilling than pushing the envelope and popping your finger in the reality bubble? Why are psychedelic users a minority?


Like McKenna said, "How in the hell do 'they' keep the lid on this thing?"


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Re: Why are psychedelics not a bigger deal? [Re: The Whale] * 2
    #14178018 - 03/24/11 07:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

first of all, because its illegal

second of all, because its hard to make huge profits off them so nobody really sells them in bulk

third of all, because people are scared of themselves.


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Re: Why are psychedelics not a bigger deal? [Re: The Whale] * 1
    #14178021 - 03/24/11 07:26 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

It hasn't been kept a secret, just the opposite, actually. Everyone knows what shrooms and acid are. They just have many, many misconceptions that have scared and will continue to scare people away from psychedelics.

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Re: Why are psychedelics not a bigger deal? [Re: The Whale]
    #14178030 - 03/24/11 07:27 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

:fasted: They were

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Re: Why are psychedelics not a bigger deal? [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14178040 - 03/24/11 07:30 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Caine said:
It hasn't been kept a secret, just the opposite, actually. Everyone knows what shrooms and acid are. They just have many, many misconceptions that have scared and will continue to scare people away from psychedelics.




Do you think it's the misconceptions, or an inkling of truth that they're afraid might surface and shatter the sensitive illusions they cling to?

That sounds pretentious, but I should think people with higher education are at least familiar with the idea of "consciousness alterations" and "catalysts," if not the history of ethnobotanical use, or the effect that psychedelics had on cyber culture and the 60s.


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Re: Why are psychedelics not a bigger deal? [Re: Samuel L Jackson] * 1
    #14178046 - 03/24/11 07:31 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Caine said:
They just have many, many misconceptions that have scared and will continue to scare people away from psychedelics.




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because people are scared of themselves.



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Re: Why are psychedelics not a bigger deal? [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14178048 - 03/24/11 07:31 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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SamuelLJackson said:
first of all, because its illegal

second of all, because its hard to make huge profits off them so nobody really sells them in bulk

third of all, because people are scared of themselves.



Sums it up.


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Re: Why are psychedelics not a bigger deal? [Re: The Whale] * 1
    #14178054 - 03/24/11 07:33 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I'd have to agree with what's been said. Illegality and misconceptions are the biggest two factors.

However, as you mentioned, a mushroom trip is not always a happy-go-lucky experience.
All it takes is one bad experience (e.g. "I saw spiders crawling EVERYWHERE!"), and someone is turned off mushrooms for life.
It's happened to members here! Avid supporters of the mushroom!

For this reason, I don't think its use will ever be widespread.


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Re: Why are psychedelics not a bigger deal? [Re: Enlightenedwon] * 1
    #14178059 - 03/24/11 07:33 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

cause people are close minded :raveface:

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Re: Why are psychedelics not a bigger deal? [Re: The Whale]
    #14178062 - 03/24/11 07:34 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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The Whale said:
So, if people seem to be on a quest for new experiences and entertainment, how has this mental circus been kept a secret? Why are people instead more likely to go looking for new clothes or cars, or job titles or degrees, or attention from the opposite sex?


You'd rather do gay-ass mushrooms than get laid?


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Re: Why are psychedelics not a bigger deal? [Re: Poid] * 1
    #14178068 - 03/24/11 07:35 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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The Whale said:
So, if people seem to be on a quest for new experiences and entertainment, how has this mental circus been kept a secret? Why are people instead more likely to go looking for new clothes or cars, or job titles or degrees, or attention from the opposite sex?


You'd rather do gay-ass mushrooms than get laid?




Depends on the girl, I guess.

I'd really rather do both though.


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Re: Why are psychedelics not a bigger deal? [Re: The_Ghost] * 1
    #14178077 - 03/24/11 07:36 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I am convinced that most people are afraid of being part of something larger. The sheer size of the universe is already incomprehensible, but I think people are terrified of the possibility that the universe could be small in comparison to something else. People don't want to discover the true origin and significance of the universe, they just want to go on with their merry lives and never challenge the very fabric of existence.

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Re: Why are psychedelics not a bigger deal? [Re: The_Ghost] * 4
    #14178084 - 03/24/11 07:38 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

In my opinion, psychedelic experiences just seem really, really unwelcome in the modern U.S. world view.

The experience isn't glamorous or prestigious or otherwise identity-laden. You don't get things out of it: not more vagina, no pay raise, no new suits, or apartments, or free tickets to the late show. It doesn't lather your ass or pay the bills.

No one is waiting there for you on the other side either; it's a one-way journey (which is closer to the bigger Truth). Your boss, your principal, your mom and dad, your cute girlfriend, your preacher, priest, or rabbi, your teachers, your best friend Tom, your dog Spot: you leave them all behind.

Additionally, you can't sell it, trade it, frame it above your door, write it off on your taxes, put it in your wallet or briefcase, you can't wrap it up for Christmas, you can't eat it, you can't drink it... it's worthless in our original interpretation of "worth."

Any sort of tangible influence from psychedelics is usually in the form of art, music, or literature... these are safe havens for society. We'll make a little corner in the room for these creations, but never mind where the ideas come from.


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Re: Why are psychedelics not a bigger deal? [Re: The Whale]
    #14178088 - 03/24/11 07:38 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

The Whale said:
A heavy mushroom trip, for instance, to my mind is one of the most bafflling, awe-inspiring, and confusing mysteries I could ever put myself through. It makes you question many previously concrete notions about the world, the nature of time, existence, government, religion, etc.




most people have no desire to have a "baffling" and "mysteries" experience. they want someone to tell them how to live, what to eat, what to wear, where to work, and above and beyond all of this what to think.

the very last thing most people want is an experience that would cause them to question the status quo. people love their egos. why would they want to take something that could help to diminish or destroy it?

think about the most popular drug used in the U.S., alcohol. It's all about inflating the ego far beyond what is healthy.

We love our personas, our masks. we love all the stories we tell about our ourselves. we love all the stories that we tell the world about ourselves.

So yeah, psychedelics are scary as fuck to someone who loves all of the above. Most folks are content to live lives of sedated boredom. It's quite depressing if you ask me.


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Re: Why are psychedelics not a bigger deal? [Re: Caine]
    #14178101 - 03/24/11 07:41 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Caine said:
I am convinced that most people are afraid of being part of something larger.


IMO, most, if not all people have a starving desire to feel part of something larger. 


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Caine said:
People don't want to discover the true origin and significance of the universe...


Which is?


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Caine said:
...they just want to go on with their merry lives and never challenge the very fabric of existence.


Pleasure principle, FTW! :highfive:


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Why are psychedelics not a bigger deal? [Re: gerryjarcia]
    #14178104 - 03/24/11 07:41 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Alcohol has lubricated some social-anxiety speedbumps for me.  That anxiety was part of my previous ego.
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Re: Why are psychedelics not a bigger deal? [Re: gerryjarcia]
    #14178115 - 03/24/11 07:42 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)



That dust speck is the earth. Sagan says:

"Look again at that dot. That's here, that's home, that's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam."

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Re: Why are psychedelics not a bigger deal? [Re: Caine]
    #14178126 - 03/24/11 07:45 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

That's like that Pink Floyd song...


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fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Why are psychedelics not a bigger deal? [Re: gerryjarcia]
    #14178129 - 03/24/11 07:45 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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A heavy mushroom trip, for instance, to my mind is one of the most bafflling, awe-inspiring, and confusing mysteries I could ever put myself through. It makes you question many previously concrete notions about the world, the nature of time, existence, government, religion, etc.




most people have no desire to have a "baffling" and "mysteries" experience. they want someone to tell them how to live, what to eat, what to wear, where to work, and above and beyond all of this what to think.

the very last thing most people want is an experience that would cause them to question the status quo. people love their egos. why would they want to take something that could help to diminish or destroy it?

think about the most popular drug used in the U.S., alcohol. It's all about inflating the ego far beyond what is healthy.

We love our personas, our masks. we love all the stories we tell about our ourselves. we love all the stories that we tell the world about ourselves.

So yeah, psychedelics are scary as fuck to someone who loves all of the above. Most folks are content to live lives of sedated boredom. It's quite depressing if you ask me.




Very interesting and descriptive reply. I would have to mostly agree.

I just feel like people would sooner or later get tired of so many roles, masks, and fabricated appearances. Almost like when you catch a person looking at themselves in the mirror when they believe no one is looking; or when you overhear someone talking to themselves; or when people take long walks just for the sake of being reflective... it's like people do occasionally edge away from the constraints of society, so have these particular tools not caught on with more introspective or curious individuals? The majority of people, I believe, are just really good at pretending everything is on track... which it is, but the train conductor isn't the president and the train tracks are carved out of chaos, not rules.


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Re: Why are psychedelics not a bigger deal? [Re: Caine]
    #14178131 - 03/24/11 07:46 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

the majority of drug users just want to GET SUPER FUCKED UP MANNNNNNN


and carry no interest into the mind raping effects of psyches


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