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    #14177963 - 03/24/11 07:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

So, I posted this - Lost My Mind on DMT - Changa the other day... but.

There's something strange going on. 

I keep feeling like I'm falling in to the loops of this confusing, beautiful and frightening spiral-reality.

The ever-waking, unable to get back to real life feeling.  It's as old as it is new.

It's been turning up in my dreams and confusing my reality from time to time.  I'm not worried, more highly intrigued... although I keep imagining a scenario where I can't escape it any longer, and I become a burden on those around me, because nothing literal in this world makes sense any more.

That, I believe is crossing the boundaries of the subjective and objective... but at the same time - I often ponder if (some of) those that we rank among the "insane" may actually be more sane than the rest of us?  Perhaps there is enlightenment to be had, where we fear to tread?

I know it sounds like crap... coz that's what I keep saying to myself... but maybe.. maybe that's my problem?  That I think it's crap, and I deny what I feel in the subjectivity.


Somewhere, deep among the consciousness and cosmos lies the centreground, lies the place where the objective and subjective become indistringuishable.  We don't know (collectively) where that lies yet, we still have religion and philosophy, and we still have science and math, and these two things, although sometimes shaking hands and other times pulling eachothers hair, have not come together in one unity.

yet...


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Re: Spiral Out... [Re: ZenXi6]
    #14178035 - 03/24/11 07:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I can imagine that experience is extremeley.. weird and is continuing to be had at the very least WEIRD.

I think your very on to something in that we don't know whats to be had from being insane .

And it also raises my interest in imagining the subjective and objective, not even an objective or subjective.


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Re: Spiral Out... [Re: ZenXi6]
    #14178071 - 03/24/11 07:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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ZenXi6 said:
So, I posted this - Lost My Mind on DMT - Changa the other day... but.

There's something strange going on. 

I keep feeling like I'm falling in to the loops of this confusing, beautiful and frightening spiral-reality.

The ever-waking, unable to get back to real life feeling.  It's as old as it is new.

It's been turning up in my dreams and confusing my reality from time to time.  I'm not worried, more highly intrigued... although I keep imagining a scenario where I can't escape it any longer, and I become a burden on those around me, because nothing literal in this world makes sense any more.

That, I believe is crossing the boundaries of the subjective and objective... but at the same time - I often ponder if (some of) those that we rank among the "insane" may actually be more sane than the rest of us?  Perhaps there is enlightenment to be had, where we fear to tread?

I know it sounds like crap... coz that's what I keep saying to myself... but maybe.. maybe that's my problem?  That I think it's crap, and I deny what I feel in the subjectivity.


Somewhere, deep among the consciousness and cosmos lies the centreground, lies the place where the objective and subjective become indistringuishable.  We don't know (collectively) where that lies yet, we still have religion and philosophy, and we still have science and math, and these two things, although sometimes shaking hands and other times pulling eachothers hair, have not come together in one unity.

yet...




This happens almost every time I trip, at least for a little bit, and it has to be one of the most amazing things. It's as though you understand everything on a deeper level, to the point of it just not making any sense.

I understand that that sounds stupid, but it happens, I swear it does.


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Re: Spiral Out... [Re: bholzer]
    #14178180 - 03/24/11 07:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I fear that the feeling of stupidness (often from feeling cliched, I reckon) is what is holding many back.

It doesn't sound stupid at all!  It's one of those hard things to discuss though, because it seems we all feel it sometimes, but don't wanna feel like psychedelic cliches, talking about the oneness nonsense and all that.

Somethings are cliched for a reason...


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Re: Spiral Out... [Re: ZenXi6]
    #14178238 - 03/24/11 08:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Exactly, I'm glad we're on the same page. It's nice to think that the things I'm thinking and feeling aren't just some stupid things that I get because I'm tripping balls.


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Re: Spiral Out... [Re: ZenXi6]
    #14178254 - 03/24/11 08:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I know the looping feeling very well if it's what I think you're talking about.  I have gotten that feeling while sober ever since I experienced it on an acid trip, but it is starting to taper off the longer it goes between my trips.


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Re: Spiral Out... [Re: tokinman21]
    #14178276 - 03/24/11 08:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I know the looping feeling very well if it's what I think you're talking about.  I have gotten that feeling while sober ever since I experienced it on an acid trip, but it is starting to taper off the longer it goes between my trips.




Same, every time I trip, it'll come back to me every couple days afterward, but it'll subside.

Another thing I notice like that, is when I smoke weed after tripping, the experience is almost a trippy one. Ever since I first tripped, I'd say smoking has taken on a different feeling.


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Re: Spiral Out... [Re: bholzer]
    #14178370 - 03/24/11 08:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I know the looping feeling very well if it's what I think you're talking about.  I have gotten that feeling while sober ever since I experienced it on an acid trip, but it is starting to taper off the longer it goes between my trips.




Same, every time I trip, it'll come back to me every couple days afterward, but it'll subside.

Another thing I notice like that, is when I smoke weed after tripping, the experience is almost a trippy one. Ever since I first tripped, I'd say smoking has taken on a different feeling.




I don't remember who said this but it was pretty recent...anyway, I have now adopted the saying myself haha so thanks to whoever's it is!  Cannabis is the psychedelic chameleon.  Its effects vary quite a bit even off the same nug on different days based on everything from mood to recent experiences to your brain chemistry on that day.  And I would say that once you have done a psychedelic, your brain chemistry will probably never be quite the same again, so by relation weed will probably not be quite the same again either.  It's funny, I have recently started getting paranoia from weed since doing a lot of tripping, yet I never get paranoia while tripping! In fact one time I dropped, smoked a bowl, the weed made me paranoid, and then when the acid kicked in it actually took the paranoia away!  (not that it's terrible or anything, I just ignore it and it goes away unless I'm nervous for some reason, like before an intense trip)


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Re: Spiral Out... [Re: tokinman21]
    #14178416 - 03/24/11 08:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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tokinman21 said:
I know the looping feeling very well if it's what I think you're talking about.  I have gotten that feeling while sober ever since I experienced it on an acid trip, but it is starting to taper off the longer it goes between my trips.




Same, every time I trip, it'll come back to me every couple days afterward, but it'll subside.

Another thing I notice like that, is when I smoke weed after tripping, the experience is almost a trippy one. Ever since I first tripped, I'd say smoking has taken on a different feeling.




I don't remember who said this but it was pretty recent...anyway, I have now adopted the saying myself haha so thanks to whoever's it is!  Cannabis is the psychedelic chameleon.  Its effects vary quite a bit even off the same nug on different days based on everything from mood to recent experiences to your brain chemistry on that day.  And I would say that once you have done a psychedelic, your brain chemistry will probably never be quite the same again, so by relation weed will probably not be quite the same again either.  It's funny, I have recently started getting paranoia from weed since doing a lot of tripping, yet I never get paranoia while tripping! In fact one time I dropped, smoked a bowl, the weed made me paranoid, and then when the acid kicked in it actually took the paranoia away!  (not that it's terrible or anything, I just ignore it and it goes away unless I'm nervous for some reason, like before an intense trip)





Psychedelic chameleon is probably the best term to describe it. Nice choice of words.


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Re: Spiral Out... [Re: bholzer]
    #14178700 - 03/24/11 09:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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tokinman21 said:
I know the looping feeling very well if it's what I think you're talking about.  I have gotten that feeling while sober ever since I experienced it on an acid trip, but it is starting to taper off the longer it goes between my trips.




Same, every time I trip, it'll come back to me every couple days afterward, but it'll subside.

Another thing I notice like that, is when I smoke weed after tripping, the experience is almost a trippy one. Ever since I first tripped, I'd say smoking has taken on a different feeling.




I don't remember who said this but it was pretty recent...anyway, I have now adopted the saying myself haha so thanks to whoever's it is!  Cannabis is the psychedelic chameleon.  Its effects vary quite a bit even off the same nug on different days based on everything from mood to recent experiences to your brain chemistry on that day.  And I would say that once you have done a psychedelic, your brain chemistry will probably never be quite the same again, so by relation weed will probably not be quite the same again either.  It's funny, I have recently started getting paranoia from weed since doing a lot of tripping, yet I never get paranoia while tripping! In fact one time I dropped, smoked a bowl, the weed made me paranoid, and then when the acid kicked in it actually took the paranoia away!  (not that it's terrible or anything, I just ignore it and it goes away unless I'm nervous for some reason, like before an intense trip)





Psychedelic chameleon is probably the best term to describe it. Nice choice of words.




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Re: Spiral Out... [Re: tokinman21]
    #14184024 - 03/25/11 08:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It seems like you're holding back on taking a leap - the considerations hitherto its taken can be seen as a deal being written, the deal that you risk so and so if you're to stand here (having taken it). The state of development of our whatever is exceedingly embryonic given the notion of death by which its driven (or rather so because by such "driven") - the deal "as such" 's realization is that the leap ought to be taken, that until then all you'll do is further assume the position trusted into.

You don't actually exist - all there is is literally THIS which is happening of itself. You ARE it, everything. I'll further suggest the fear is one of the inability to recognize yourself anymore.

Cannabis changes enormously as you do. The more here you are, even furthered here are you with it - i.e., the more trip-like it is! And the more comfortable that state. It doesn't shift randomly. KEEP GOING!


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Re: Spiral Out... [Re: Comcouveflor]
    #14186215 - 03/26/11 10:56 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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It seems like you're holding back on taking a leap - the considerations hitherto its taken can be seen as a deal being written, the deal that you risk so and so if you're to stand here (having taken it). The state of development of our whatever is exceedingly embryonic given the notion of death by which its driven (or rather so because by such "driven") - the deal "as such" 's realization is that the leap ought to be taken, that until then all you'll do is further assume the position trusted into.

You don't actually exist - all there is is literally THIS which is happening of itself. You ARE it, everything. I'll further suggest the fear is one of the inability to recognize yourself anymore.

Cannabis changes enormously as you do. The more here you are, even furthered here are you with it - i.e., the more trip-like it is! And the more comfortable that state. It doesn't shift randomly. KEEP GOING!




I wish I had some acid.  :crazy2:


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Re: Spiral Out... [Re: tokinman21]
    #14199141 - 03/28/11 06:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Psychedelics do something to brain connections...
I swear it! 

I KEEP thinking about all of this, I keep slipping into this odd state of mind, and last night, I smoked more changa and, although all the odd hallucinations were there... the infinitely changing life-being-pattern-language-dimensional-geometry dances... There's also something more that keeps coming back... Something that makes me feel entirely out of my depth, out of my human-mind and consciousness...  It seems growing on my mind too.. not just fleeting with the chemicals...


Comcouveflor <-> Well said.


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