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The goal line
    #14175344 - 03/24/11 11:46 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Where is it and how far does one have to travel to get there?



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Re: The goal line [Re: Kickle]
    #14175401 - 03/24/11 11:57 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

The goal line is death, and it's as far away as I can push it, but close enough to make me enjoy every minute of the day.



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Re: The goal line [Re: EdgeChaos]
    #14175448 - 03/24/11 12:05 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

If death is the goal, why push it far away?


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Re: The goal line [Re: Kickle]
    #14176465 - 03/24/11 03:15 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Emotional responses to different stimuli keep me from wanting to die. I quite enjoy being alive but recognize that I won't be able to extend it indefinitely.

It's not that I desire death but that I know the finish line of this race is death.

So maybe the goal is being at peace with death rather than death it's self.

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Re: The goal line [Re: EdgeChaos]
    #14177260 - 03/24/11 05:18 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I hear that and feel similarly.

Does anyone else have any insight?


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Re: The goal line [Re: Kickle]
    #14177461 - 03/24/11 05:46 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

How is death the goal? Sure its definite. But i don't consider it to be "the goal" or even "a goal".

I don't think there is a goal line. I think anywhere and at any time you can reach the truth. Doesn't need to be in death. I consider the truth to be the goal. The truth is present in every layer of reality, it is only transparent when we try to skew it or make it fit our definition.

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Re: The goal line [Re: Kickle]
    #14177617 - 03/24/11 06:17 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Perhaps one shouldn't look at life in terms of there being a goal to get to--rather, kick back and enjoy the journey.



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Re: The goal line [Re: deCypher]
    #14177689 - 03/24/11 06:32 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

the journey is the destination

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Re: The goal line [Re: oxalic32]
    #14177699 - 03/24/11 06:35 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

How so?


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Re: The goal line [Re: oxalic32]
    #14178016 - 03/24/11 07:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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How is death the goal?





Because we are all racing towards it.

No matter what route one takes, we all end up at the same destination. At least as far as I can know.


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Re: The goal line [Re: Kickle] * 1
    #14178120 - 03/24/11 07:43 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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How is death the goal?





Because we are all racing towards it.

No matter what route one takes, we all end up at the same destination. At least as far as I can know.




Racing towards it? Like trying to die before some else does? Aren't most of us trying to avoid death?

I'm sorry i don't believe we all end up in the same destination. I think we must all shed our flesh (die).

I don't consider it a "goal". A goal is a positive thing for me. Not to say that death is negative, but because we all must die i see it as a truth not as a goal. My goal is to be aware. I think life's goal is to become totally aware, not to die, dying is something which must happen and it is effortless.

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Re: The goal line [Re: oxalic32]
    #14178730 - 03/24/11 09:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I'm glad you have your own thoughts on the matter. You asked, I answered. You certainly don't have to agree.

I feel like I'm the rat in the maze of life and I didn't opt to be put here. And yes, I also feel it is a race until time runs out. Racing towards that unpredictable end point. Doing this, doing that... trying to distract ourselves from the entropy that is always on our heels.

If you think it's not a race and that the pace of life is nice and relaxed, that's cool dude. From where I'm sitting it seems like most people are trying to cram in as much as they possibly can because the race is on. That includes myself.


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Re: The goal line [Re: Kickle] * 1
    #14178763 - 03/24/11 09:31 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Black Keys- Tighten Up

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Living just to keep going
Going just to stay sane
All the while never knowing
It's such a shame




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Re: The goal line [Re: Cups]
    #14178782 - 03/24/11 09:34 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I've been pegged :smirk:


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Re: The goal line [Re: Kickle]
    #14178806 - 03/24/11 09:36 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I'm glad you have your own thoughts on the matter. You asked, I answered. You certainly don't have to agree.

I feel like I'm the rat in the maze of life and I didn't opt to be put here. And yes, I also feel it is a race until time runs out. Racing towards that unpredictable end point. Doing this, doing that... trying to distract ourselves from the entropy that is always on our heels.

If you think it's not a race and that the pace of life is nice and relaxed, that's cool dude. From where I'm sitting it seems like most people are trying to cram in as much as they possibly can because the race is on. That includes myself.




I'm not trying to shoot you down, i just don't see it the same way. People keep thinking they're going somewhere.

I personally don't like to see it as a race. Constantly racing around and for what? A job? Money? And then what? Where are you going? Does the job come with you? Does the money come with you? Does the career come with you? The new house?

I could keep going, but im sure you get what i mean. So why not relax? Why not let things be?

I just find it more enjoyable to forget the past, forget the future. Be alive, here and now.

Its a very hard to thing, but the more your try the more it becomes natural. Its like undoing a lifetime of conditioning.

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Re: The goal line [Re: oxalic32]
    #14178826 - 03/24/11 09:39 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Constantly racing because that's what life demands. I'd love not to have to work :lol:

I live simply. I rent, don't own. I work a basic job even though I have a degree and could easily attain much more. I don't mind getting my hands dirty because I sympathize with those who cannot move beyond it. I work with a guy who is 65 and still working retail. We just talked today about how he will be here until he is dead. He can't afford to retire. That to me is the race.

He lives in a TINY house by himself. He isn't married, he has no kids. He only has to support one person, and yet he will be working until he dies to pay his bills. I asked if he could retire and live off social security and credit cards. He said no. He has debt on his cards as it is and house payments each month. He could max out his available credit allowance but that wouldn't get him far. He said maybe if he sold his house. But where to then? And I will tell you this, epimetheus comes to him pretty hard in that situation. I'm sure he wishes prometheus had been around instead. But he was a hippy and wanted to taste the freedom of the now even though he couldn't realistically afford not to plan ahead.


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Re: The goal line [Re: Kickle]
    #14178933 - 03/24/11 09:58 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Where did i say not to work? Or that working isn't necessary if you want material things?

If you want material things you must work. You must be part of the system. If you want material things.

Even if you do work a job. Why race? What do you race towards? I'm not saying you have to change your life, just how you think. People keep worrying about this or that, but it doesn't change things.

I'm not saying completely forget about the future, some planning is needed for survival. But people get lost in the future. They keep thinking about how things will be rather than how they truly are.

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Re: The goal line [Re: oxalic32]
    #14178988 - 03/24/11 10:08 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I'm glad you're trying to help me. I appreciate the heart bro. But I'm very grounded in this moment, I just don't enjoy it. like the Buddha said in his fire sermon...

"Disenchanted, he becomes dispassionate.
Through dispassion, he is fully released.
With full release, there is the knowledge, 'Fully released.'
He discerns that 'Birth is ended,
the holy life fulfilled,
the task done.
There is nothing further for this world.'"

I'm at a point of dispassion and want nothing further for this world. Everything to this point has been an observation. I'm not trying to change any of it. I feel it's a race, but I'm not trying to say I don't want it to be a race. I feel sorry for the man who will work until he drops, but I am not trying to change it.


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Re: The goal line [Re: Kickle]
    #14179089 - 03/24/11 10:23 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

So whats the plan?


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Re: The goal line [Re: Cups]
    #14179122 - 03/24/11 10:30 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

To live a simple life. I'm in a stage of cleaning out clutter. Emotionally and materially.


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