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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: AaronEruditus]
    #14177274 - 03/24/11 05:19 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

You're right. And you coming in here claiming that white people listening to Hip Hop are sad and laughable people isn't insulting, is it?

You're a joke and obviously CAN'T respond back to my statements. You have nothing to say that would make your point even REMOTELY considerable.


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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: AaronEruditus]
    #14177280 - 03/24/11 05:20 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Well whatever, I don't enjoy conversing with people who just want to be disrespectful towards me--I didn't come in this thread to disrespect any particular user, I don't see why you feel the need to. Well, you've given me an idea or two. :wink:


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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
    #14177342 - 03/24/11 05:28 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

ONLY disrespectful?

I gave you plenty of material to respond to, you just chose 2 sentences.

That's not my problem, and if you can't see how your statements were insulting to a person like me (an avid Hip Hop listener) then I don't know what to tell you man...quit trying to prove a point that you realized isn't really a good argument.


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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: AaronEruditus]
    #14177370 - 03/24/11 05:32 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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ONLY disrespectful?


I didn't say only--saying that you "just want to be disrespectful" isn't necessarily the same thing as saying that you "only want to be disrespectful".



Ex:

"Why is that dude drinking Coors Light?"

"He just likes it is all."


This doesn't imply that he only likes Coors Light.


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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
    #14177376 - 03/24/11 05:33 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Poid, if you think that hip hop was created to glorify these ideals, you're sadly mistaken. Have you any idea how the hip hop movement even came about? I encourage you to read up a little bit on the most important of its forefathers:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrika_Bambaataa

And your point about "spoiled white kids" is rather moot as well. Do you think these artists would be angered to learn that someone who never lived in the ghetto listens to their music? I disagree. Do you actually believe MC's want people to go through what they had to? That is almost laughable. The hip hop movement was created to bring a little light into struggling regions of the nation, not to spread the struggle elsewhere.

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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Caine]
    #14177402 - 03/24/11 05:38 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Man, I tried to have a conversation with you. It's painfully obvious that you dodged all my statements that actually meant something.

I hope you're a different person when you're not looking into the screen of your computer.


Peace and Love


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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Caine]
    #14177414 - 03/24/11 05:39 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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The hip hop movement was created to bring a little light into struggling regions of the nation...


More like the struggling of minorities, particularly Hispanics and Blacks.


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...not to spread the struggle elsewhere.


I've watched a few Tupac documentaries; Thug Life was created to let the greater world (*ahem*White people*ahem*) understand the kind of abuses that Blacks and Latinos suffered at their hands. It wasn't simply about "struggling regions", you're totally missing the point.


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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: AaronEruditus]
    #14177428 - 03/24/11 05:41 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Man, I tried to have a conversation with you.


I made it clear that I am not interested in having a conversation with you--you entered this thread being hostile towards me, and I have no interest in interacting with people who treat me that way.


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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
    #14177438 - 03/24/11 05:42 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Maybe to understand, yes, but most who have gone through such hardship can tell you that they would not wish it to any degree on anyone else. I think you're missing the point.

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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
    #14177444 - 03/24/11 05:43 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

You have no arguments, dawg. Stop kidding yourself.


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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Caine]
    #14177452 - 03/24/11 05:45 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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...most who have gone through such hardship can tell you that they would not wish it to any degree on anyone else.


I don't remember saying anything like this...


Also not sure why you think I was in any way suggesting this:

Do you think these artists would be angered to learn that someone who never lived in the ghetto listens to their music?...Do you actually believe MC's want people to go through what they had to?


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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: AaronEruditus]
    #14177508 - 03/24/11 05:54 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Hostile? When exactly was I hostile? Unless you have the ability to read CONTEXT(I was typing in a calm manner, BTW), I don't know how you can possibly claim that I was hostile.

You kept on responding to people who told you you have your head shoved up your ass. But then I come in, state that your claims are ridiculous (which isn't half as 'insulting' as your 'head up your ass') and I'm already being hostile and not worthy to talk to.

I don't know, to me it seems that you just did NOT have an answer to my arguments and questions.

I really want to know what kind of experiences you had that led you to form an opinion that goes something like "White people who listen to rap are sad and laughable human beings?"

There's many more arguments that you simply had NO answer to because you realized how RIDICULOUS your first statements was.

Then you have the nerve to tell me that I was being disrespectful, and that my intent was to keep on being disrespectful. Maybe if you would've answered to everything I typed in I wouldn't have such a low view of you.


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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: AaronEruditus]
    #14177572 - 03/24/11 06:07 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Hostile? When exactly was I hostile? Unless you have the ability to read CONTEXT(I was typing in a calm manner, BTW), I don't know how you can possibly claim that I was hostile.


You said my statements were incredibly ridiculous, and that you don't even know where to start; if this is respectful behavior IYO, I'm glad I don't have to interact with you IRL.


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You kept on responding to people who told you you have your head shoved up your ass. But then I come in, state that your claims are ridiculous (which isn't half as 'insulting' as your 'head up your ass') and I'm already being hostile and not worthy to talk to.


Well they used up my day's patience for dealing with hostility, you just came at the wrong time. :grin:


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I don't know, to me it seems that you just did NOT have an answer to my arguments and questions.

I really want to know what kind of experiences you had that led you to form an opinion that goes something like "White people who listen to rap are sad and laughable human beings?"


The exact experiences are irrelevant; how I justified my perspective is what's relevant, and this, apparently, is what you thought was incredibly ridiculous.


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There's many more arguments that you simply had NO answer to because you realized how RIDICULOUS your first statements was.


That isn't it. :wink:


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Then you have the nerve to tell me that I was being disrespectful, and that my intent was to keep on being disrespectful. Maybe if you would've answered to everything I typed in I wouldn't have such a low view of you.


I don't care if you have a low view of me, and I don't see how me considering you as being disrespectful is indicative of me having some sort of nerve...:undecided:


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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: AaronEruditus]
    #14177573 - 03/24/11 06:07 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)



This is the message of hiphop :yesnod:

It's like a jungle sometimes it makes me wonder
How I keep from going under
It's like a jungle sometimes it makes me wonder
How I keep from going under

Broken glass everywhere
People pissing on the stairs, you know they just don't care
I can't take the smell, I can't take the noise no more
Got no money to move out, I guess I got no choice
Rats in the front room, roaches in the back
Junkies in the alley with the baseball bat
I tried to get away, but I couldn't get far
Cause a man with a tow-truck repossessed my car

Chorus:
Don't push me cause I'm close to the edge
I'm trying not to lose my head, ah huh-huh-huh
[2nd and 5th: ah huh-huh-huh]
[4th: say what?]
It's like a jungle sometimes it makes me wonder
How I keep from going under
It's like a jungle sometimes it makes me wonder
How I keep from going under

Standing on the front stoop, hangin' out the window
Watching all the cars go by, roaring as the breezes blow
Crazy lady livin' in a bag
Eating out of garbage pails, used to be a fag-hag
Said she danced the tango, skipped the light fandango
The Zircon Princess seemed to lost her senses
Down at the peepshow, watching all the creeps
So she can tell the stories to the girls back home
She went to the city and got social security
She had to get a pimp, she couldn't make it on her own

[2nd Chorus]

My brother's doing bad on my mother's TV
She says: "You watch it too much, it's just not healthy!"
"All My Children" in the daytime, "Dallas" at night
Can't even see the game or the Sugar Ray fight
The bill collectors they ring my phone
And scare my wife when I'm not home
Got a bum education, double-digit inflation
I can't take the train to the job, there's a strike at the station
Neon King Kong standin' on my back
Can't stop to turn around, broke my sacrophiliac
A mid-ranged migraine, cancered membrane
Sometimes I think I'm going insane, I swear I might hijack a plane



My son said: "Daddy I don't wonna go to school
Cause the teacher's a jerk!", he must think I'm a fool
And all the kids smoke reefer, I think it'd be cheaper
If I just got a job, learned to be a street sweeper
I'll dance to the beat, shuffle my feet
Wear a shirt and tie and run with the creeps
Cause it's all about money, ain't a damn thing funny
You got to have a con in this land of milk and honey
They pushed that girl in front of the train
Took her to the doctor, sewed her arm on again
Stabbed that man right in his heart
Gave him a transplant for a brand new start
I can't walk through the park, cause it's crazy after dark
Keep my hand on my gun, cause they got me on the run
I feel like a outlaw, broke my last glass jar
Hear them say: "You want some more livin' on a seesaw?"

[4th Chorus]

A child is born with no state of mind
Blind to the ways of mankind
God is smiling on you but he's frowning too
Because only God knows what you'll go through
You'll grow in the ghetto, living second rate
And your eyes will sing a song of deep hate
The places you're playin', where you stay
Looks like one great big alley way
You'll admire all the number book takers
Thugs, pimps, pushers and the big money makers
Driving big cars, spending twenties and tens
And you wanna grow up to be just like them, huh,
Smugglers, scrambles, burglars, gamblers
Pickpockets, peddlers even panhandlers
You say: "I'm cool, I'm no fool!"
But then you wind up dropping out of high school
Now you're unemployed, all non-void
Walking 'round like you're Pretty Boy Floyd
Turned stickup kid, look what you've done did
Got sent up for a eight year bid
Now your manhood is took and you're a may tag
Spend the next two years as a undercover fag
Being used and abused to serve like hell
Till one day you was found hung dead in a cell
It was plain to see that your life was lost
You was cold and your body swung back and forth
But now your eyes sing the sad, sad song
Of how you lived so fast and died so young

Don't push me 'cause I'm close to the edge
I'm trying not to lose my head
It's like a jungle sometimes it makes me wonder how I keep from going under
It's like a jungle sometimes it makes me wonder how I keep from going under

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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Beanhead]
    #14177603 - 03/24/11 06:15 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

It's convenient to just have your patience drained, isn't it?


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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: AaronEruditus]
    #14177611 - 03/24/11 06:16 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I have all the patience of the world, why bother when the hours we waste away are inevitable :shrug:

Why not take your time and broaden your view a bit, what's wrong with the music?

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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: AaronEruditus]
    #14177612 - 03/24/11 06:16 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

It totally is, because now I don't have to deal with a person who thinks of my perspective as being incredibly ridiculous, and who doesn't seem to be willing to understand where I'm coming from. :yesnod:


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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
    #14177615 - 03/24/11 06:17 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Oh woops wasn't responding to me :lol:

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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Caine]
    #14177619 - 03/24/11 06:18 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Quote:

Caine said:
...most who have gone through such hardship can tell you that they would not wish it to any degree on anyone else.


I don't remember saying anything like this...


Also not sure why you think I was in any way suggesting this:

Do you think these artists would be angered to learn that someone who never lived in the ghetto listens to their music?...Do you actually believe MC's want people to go through what they had to?




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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
    #14177683 - 03/24/11 06:31 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

There isn't one type of rap, there the hip-hop stuff, the hardcore shit, this shit






I like any music, fuck all you ego fags going "oh i dont listen to "insert genre of music"

I'll listen to anything.


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