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The goal line
    #14175344 - 03/24/11 11:46 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Where is it and how far does one have to travel to get there?



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Re: The goal line [Re: Kickle]
    #14175401 - 03/24/11 11:57 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The goal line is death, and it's as far away as I can push it, but close enough to make me enjoy every minute of the day.



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Re: The goal line [Re: EdgeChaos]
    #14175448 - 03/24/11 12:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

If death is the goal, why push it far away?


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Re: The goal line [Re: Kickle]
    #14176465 - 03/24/11 03:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Emotional responses to different stimuli keep me from wanting to die. I quite enjoy being alive but recognize that I won't be able to extend it indefinitely.

It's not that I desire death but that I know the finish line of this race is death.

So maybe the goal is being at peace with death rather than death it's self.


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Re: The goal line [Re: EdgeChaos]
    #14177260 - 03/24/11 05:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I hear that and feel similarly.

Does anyone else have any insight?


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Re: The goal line [Re: Kickle]
    #14177461 - 03/24/11 05:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

How is death the goal? Sure its definite. But i don't consider it to be "the goal" or even "a goal".

I don't think there is a goal line. I think anywhere and at any time you can reach the truth. Doesn't need to be in death. I consider the truth to be the goal. The truth is present in every layer of reality, it is only transparent when we try to skew it or make it fit our definition.


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Re: The goal line [Re: Kickle]
    #14177617 - 03/24/11 06:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Perhaps one shouldn't look at life in terms of there being a goal to get to--rather, kick back and enjoy the journey.



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Re: The goal line [Re: deCypher]
    #14177689 - 03/24/11 06:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

the journey is the destination


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Re: The goal line [Re: oxalic32]
    #14177699 - 03/24/11 06:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

How so?


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Re: The goal line [Re: oxalic32]
    #14178016 - 03/24/11 07:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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How is death the goal?





Because we are all racing towards it.

No matter what route one takes, we all end up at the same destination. At least as far as I can know.


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Re: The goal line [Re: Kickle] * 1
    #14178120 - 03/24/11 07:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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How is death the goal?





Because we are all racing towards it.

No matter what route one takes, we all end up at the same destination. At least as far as I can know.




Racing towards it? Like trying to die before some else does? Aren't most of us trying to avoid death?

I'm sorry i don't believe we all end up in the same destination. I think we must all shed our flesh (die).

I don't consider it a "goal". A goal is a positive thing for me. Not to say that death is negative, but because we all must die i see it as a truth not as a goal. My goal is to be aware. I think life's goal is to become totally aware, not to die, dying is something which must happen and it is effortless.


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Re: The goal line [Re: oxalic32]
    #14178730 - 03/24/11 09:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'm glad you have your own thoughts on the matter. You asked, I answered. You certainly don't have to agree.

I feel like I'm the rat in the maze of life and I didn't opt to be put here. And yes, I also feel it is a race until time runs out. Racing towards that unpredictable end point. Doing this, doing that... trying to distract ourselves from the entropy that is always on our heels.

If you think it's not a race and that the pace of life is nice and relaxed, that's cool dude. From where I'm sitting it seems like most people are trying to cram in as much as they possibly can because the race is on. That includes myself.


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Re: The goal line [Re: Kickle] * 1
    #14178763 - 03/24/11 09:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Black Keys- Tighten Up

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Living just to keep going
Going just to stay sane
All the while never knowing
It's such a shame




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Re: The goal line [Re: Cups]
    #14178782 - 03/24/11 09:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I've been pegged :smirk:


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Re: The goal line [Re: Kickle]
    #14178806 - 03/24/11 09:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I'm glad you have your own thoughts on the matter. You asked, I answered. You certainly don't have to agree.

I feel like I'm the rat in the maze of life and I didn't opt to be put here. And yes, I also feel it is a race until time runs out. Racing towards that unpredictable end point. Doing this, doing that... trying to distract ourselves from the entropy that is always on our heels.

If you think it's not a race and that the pace of life is nice and relaxed, that's cool dude. From where I'm sitting it seems like most people are trying to cram in as much as they possibly can because the race is on. That includes myself.




I'm not trying to shoot you down, i just don't see it the same way. People keep thinking they're going somewhere.

I personally don't like to see it as a race. Constantly racing around and for what? A job? Money? And then what? Where are you going? Does the job come with you? Does the money come with you? Does the career come with you? The new house?

I could keep going, but im sure you get what i mean. So why not relax? Why not let things be?

I just find it more enjoyable to forget the past, forget the future. Be alive, here and now.

Its a very hard to thing, but the more your try the more it becomes natural. Its like undoing a lifetime of conditioning.


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Re: The goal line [Re: oxalic32]
    #14178826 - 03/24/11 09:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Constantly racing because that's what life demands. I'd love not to have to work :lol:

I live simply. I rent, don't own. I work a basic job even though I have a degree and could easily attain much more. I don't mind getting my hands dirty because I sympathize with those who cannot move beyond it. I work with a guy who is 65 and still working retail. We just talked today about how he will be here until he is dead. He can't afford to retire. That to me is the race.

He lives in a TINY house by himself. He isn't married, he has no kids. He only has to support one person, and yet he will be working until he dies to pay his bills. I asked if he could retire and live off social security and credit cards. He said no. He has debt on his cards as it is and house payments each month. He could max out his available credit allowance but that wouldn't get him far. He said maybe if he sold his house. But where to then? And I will tell you this, epimetheus comes to him pretty hard in that situation. I'm sure he wishes prometheus had been around instead. But he was a hippy and wanted to taste the freedom of the now even though he couldn't realistically afford not to plan ahead.


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Re: The goal line [Re: Kickle]
    #14178933 - 03/24/11 09:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Where did i say not to work? Or that working isn't necessary if you want material things?

If you want material things you must work. You must be part of the system. If you want material things.

Even if you do work a job. Why race? What do you race towards? I'm not saying you have to change your life, just how you think. People keep worrying about this or that, but it doesn't change things.

I'm not saying completely forget about the future, some planning is needed for survival. But people get lost in the future. They keep thinking about how things will be rather than how they truly are.


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Re: The goal line [Re: oxalic32]
    #14178988 - 03/24/11 10:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'm glad you're trying to help me. I appreciate the heart bro. But I'm very grounded in this moment, I just don't enjoy it. like the Buddha said in his fire sermon...

"Disenchanted, he becomes dispassionate.
Through dispassion, he is fully released.
With full release, there is the knowledge, 'Fully released.'
He discerns that 'Birth is ended,
the holy life fulfilled,
the task done.
There is nothing further for this world.'"

I'm at a point of dispassion and want nothing further for this world. Everything to this point has been an observation. I'm not trying to change any of it. I feel it's a race, but I'm not trying to say I don't want it to be a race. I feel sorry for the man who will work until he drops, but I am not trying to change it.


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Re: The goal line [Re: Kickle]
    #14179089 - 03/24/11 10:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

So whats the plan?


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Re: The goal line [Re: Cups]
    #14179122 - 03/24/11 10:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

To live a simple life. I'm in a stage of cleaning out clutter. Emotionally and materially.


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Re: The goal line [Re: Kickle]
    #14179316 - 03/24/11 11:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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How is death the goal?





Because we are all racing towards it.

No matter what route one takes, we all end up at the same destination. At least as far as I can know.




The origin is also the same as the destination. In the middle we may seem like born and dying individuals, but...

Anyways I had a similar thought yesterday that we are "racing towards the end of time", word by word. Funny coincidence :smile2:


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Re: The goal line [Re: Kickle]
    #14180945 - 03/25/11 08:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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To live a simple life. I'm in a stage of cleaning out clutter. Emotionally and materially.




:thumbup: I live a simple life.  But sometimes I wonder if it is because I do not have the energy to live a complicated life.


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Re: The goal line [Re: Tony]
    #14181081 - 03/25/11 09:28 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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How is death the goal?





Because we are all racing towards it.

No matter what route one takes, we all end up at the same destination. At least as far as I can know.




The origin is also the same as the destination. In the middle we may seem like born and dying individuals, but...

Anyways I had a similar thought yesterday that we are "racing towards the end of time", word by word. Funny coincidence :smile2:





My thoughts exactly just in different/better words.


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Re: The goal line [Re: Kickle]
    #14181314 - 03/25/11 10:33 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I'm at a point of dispassion and want nothing further for this world. Everything to this point has been an observation. I'm not trying to change any of it. I feel it's a race, but I'm not trying to say I don't want it to be a race. I feel sorry for the man who will work until he drops, but I am not trying to change it.




Letting things be is letting them be, not changing them. That is what im saying. And even if you live here and now you still should not be attached to it. You should be ready to let go at any moment because most people don't see it coming.


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Re: The goal line [Re: oxalic32]
    #14183114 - 03/25/11 06:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Letting things be is the way I see that life is suffering. Including my own life.


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Re: The goal line [Re: Kickle]
    #14184615 - 03/25/11 10:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Letting things be is the way I see that life is suffering. Including my own life.




You can't change life, you can change your mind. In life you have control of yourself and not much more.

I'm not saying keep your life exactly how it is. But you can't walk around wanting/expecting.


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Re: The goal line [Re: Kickle]
    #14185441 - 03/26/11 04:22 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

How far is heaven?

Closer than close, closer than the feeling 'I'


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Re: The goal line [Re: oxalic32]
    #14186079 - 03/26/11 10:09 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Letting things be is the way I see that life is suffering. Including my own life.




You can't change life, you can change your mind. In life you have control of yourself and not much more.

I'm not saying keep your life exactly how it is. But you can't walk around wanting/expecting.




I don't want control of anything. Because IMO it's always an illusion.


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Re: The goal line [Re: HippieChick8]
    #14186101 - 03/26/11 10:16 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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To live a simple life. I'm in a stage of cleaning out clutter. Emotionally and materially.




:thumbup: I live a simple life.  But sometimes I wonder if it is because I do not have the energy to live a complicated life.




I wonder what a complicated life really is, except clouded by empty pursuits.
When they are seen as empty, what energy could be taken? What could possibly be gained?


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Re: The goal line [Re: Kickle]
    #14186560 - 03/26/11 12:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Where is it and how far does one have to travel to get there?




I'm liking this thread and am really identifying with what it is that you are expressing kickle!

Heaven, as its called, really is here and now.  The distance traveled is a Rubix cube of concepts and belief that needs to be aligned or positioned in one's mind to experience.  Then a resonant field is established with what already is here and has been.  And, its schizophrenia as 'we' know it.  Very clever.  Like a metaphysical double bind. 

Then, what if, to them, the nations truly are 'grass?'  What about you???

'They' are indifferent and cruel some of them.  They judge.  And they learn from us and reflect our current egoic state allot of the time.  They take what they want ruthlessly.  There is a war in heaven!  I'm sure its not what you are looking for.

In finding heaven one quickly realizes that there is a problem in that you come to find that you now need liberation.  The representatives of said realm are the real problem on this planet.

Its a judgmental thing, man.  And they are hypocrites!  Seek a place of acceptance is the only advice I have.

The goal is to not get taken over and there is no line...  More like Alan Watts illustrates...  A beckoning by your true self that cuts through the congestion that creeps in and keeps you keeping on and valuing freedom instead of material success.

A light at the end of the tunnel might be the only thing that you have left after you experience the evil in there that maintains righteousness in using the negative to enforce their agenda.

Of course I have my own views on what the Heaven was that was experienced and described.  I feel they differ from the romanticized mainstream version in that its a more biophysical mechanistic system of mind interaction and energy exchange happened upon after fully transcending one's egoic structure or dismantling it.  Rather than a narrative its a realm to be navigated.  And, your mind starts to adapt and things get very 'buggy' or alien.


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Re: The goal line [Re: Kickle]
    #14186612 - 03/26/11 12:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Do you have any clarity regarding which pursuits are empty and which are not?

Oh, maybe that was the reason for this post...

My life is quite simple in some ways.  In others, quite complex due to the responsibilities I've taken on.  I occasionally struggle with the value of these complicating responsibilities (i.e. is it all for nothing?), but consider them a safe bet in the meantime as far as minimizing the suffering of sentient beings is concerned. 

If the goal is being at peace with death, would facilitating such sentiments in other people then be a worthwhile pursuit? 

If one somehow attains peace with death but by the end has driven others further from such peace, has their existence then been a net FAIL?


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Re: The goal line [Re: DisoRDeR]
    #14186654 - 03/26/11 12:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Far as I can tell all things are empty. All pursuits of things then must too be empty.

It's interesting, trying to respond to you I'm trying to pursue an accurate answer. Yet at the same time, I know that such a pursuit is fruitless. I know that if I were to stop pursuing, that is where the fruit would be. Take that for what you will.


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Re: The goal line [Re: Kickle]
    #14186750 - 03/26/11 01:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Do you suppose that if you stopped pursuing, a natural result of this would be an increase in the probability of others finding the fruit?  :tongue:

This is what has been on my mind lately... whether approaching the fruit is a selfish investment, or if it will naturally spill out as a benefit to others.  Or if it matters at all.


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Re: The goal line [Re: DisoRDeR]
    #14186843 - 03/26/11 01:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It seems to me that things come and things go. And seeing this balance, how can I believe I control the occurrence of any thing any more than I control its disappearance?


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Re: The goal line [Re: Kickle]
    #14186937 - 03/26/11 01:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Far as I can tell all things are empty. All pursuits of things then must too be empty.




What do you mean by empty here?


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Re: The goal line [Re: deCypher]
    #14186972 - 03/26/11 01:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Anyone can pursue anything by providing meaning. But we cannot actually fill anything with meaning, so the pursuit remains empty.


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    #14186983 - 03/26/11 01:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Are you saying that no one can derive meaning/fulfillment from anything?  :undecided:


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Re: The goal line [Re: deCypher]
    #14187006 - 03/26/11 02:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, I am.

This line of thought reminds me a lot of Victor Frankl's work. He describes that finding meaning is man's responsibility. And I think he describes it as a responsibility because the thing itself does not contain the meaning, we must find it by bringing it ourselves.


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    #14187029 - 03/26/11 02:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Ah okay, I can agree that the external things don't contain meaning in and of themselves; however their presence still seems to be necessary in order to get that feeling of fulfillment.  I think we can still truthfully say that we derive meaning from an activity because the derivation comes from our interaction with the external thing or event.  :pipesmoke:


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    #14187041 - 03/26/11 02:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

All I see is an unconscious projection into emptiness :smirk:


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Re: The goal line [Re: Kickle]
    #14187048 - 03/26/11 02:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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...we must find it by bringing it ourselves.




...you doesn't haz somes??  Haz ta breeng some??:sad:




Maybe you should try to draw in instead of project out then see what happens...


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Re: The goal line [Re: Kickle]
    #14187054 - 03/26/11 02:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

For a lot of people the process may be unconscious, but the whole philosophy of existentialism is rooted in the conscious examination of how best to utilize this projection to make one's self happy.  If the process generates real feelings of satisfaction/fulfillment then it can be hardly called empty, no?


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Re: The goal line [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #14187074 - 03/26/11 02:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:lol:
:thumbup:

But I definitely don't find meaning when I draw in. Meaning is way too noisy. It wants things to be a certain way.


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Re: The goal line [Re: deCypher]
    #14187088 - 03/26/11 02:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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For a lot of people the process may be unconscious, but the whole philosophy of existentialism is rooted in the conscious examination of how best to utilize this projection to make one's self happy.  If the process generates real feelings of satisfaction/fulfillment then it can be hardly called empty, no?




Has there ever been any kind of consensus on how to achieve these feelings of satisfaction/fulfillment?


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Re: The goal line [Re: Kickle]
    #14187101 - 03/26/11 02:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Why would you need a consensus?  Personal experimentation is the best way I've found to discover what activities are most meaningful to me.  :smile2:


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Re: The goal line [Re: deCypher]
    #14187178 - 03/26/11 02:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It was only a question, not a requirement. But the absence of any set thing to achieve satisfaction or fulfillment with places us back on the individual side. And when we get there, it seems death anxiety gives a nice framework to use when understanding why people look for meaning where they do. And if that's true, the pursuit of satisfaction/fulfillment through meaning is action aimed at countering an inescapable reality. And while it may not be empty on the mental level, it definitely doesn't change anything in the big picture. So to me it seems cosmically empty.

Perhaps the Buddha will eventually be proven wrong and all this mental stirring to avoid death will actually provide something that works. But I'm not betting on it.


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Re: The goal line [Re: Kickle]
    #14187212 - 03/26/11 02:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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And when we get there, it seems death anxiety gives a nice framework to use when understanding why people look for meaning where they do. And if that's true, the pursuit of satisfaction/fulfillment through meaning is action aimed at countering an inescapable reality.




I look for meaningful activities because they make me happy.  You can attribute this to a subconscious motivation from death anxiety but for me, doing these activities makes me fulfilled rather than empty.  :lol::shrug:


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Re: The goal line [Re: Kickle]
    #14187217 - 03/26/11 02:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Meaning is way too noisy. It wants things to be a certain way.




:sherlock:This is interesting...


I was thinking there might be something out there that you could snatch from the emptiness...  You know, skim a lil out the ether for ya.:lol:


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Re: The goal line [Re: deCypher]
    #14187245 - 03/26/11 02:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Don't let me tell you otherwise :thumbup:

I've found the most enduring peace in seeing my inherent emptiness. From body to mind.


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Re: The goal line [Re: Kickle] * 1
    #14187253 - 03/26/11 02:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Don't let me tell you otherwise :thumbup:

I've found the most enduring peace in seeing my inherent emptiness. From body to mind.




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Re: The goal line [Re: deCypher]
    #14187265 - 03/26/11 02:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:lol:
maybe a bit too literal


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Re: The goal line [Re: Kickle]
    #14187813 - 03/26/11 04:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Perhaps the Buddha will eventually be proven wrong and all this mental stirring to avoid death will actually provide something that works. But I'm not betting on it.




So what your saying is IYO this isn't something that a person can "think" their way out of?  We sure like to try.

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the pursuit of satisfaction/fulfillment through meaning is action aimed at countering an inescapable reality. And while it may not be empty on the mental level, it definitely doesn't change anything in the big picture. So to me it seems cosmically empty.




I agree.  I often wonder if that's not the very last thing to go.  That rationally reached opinion that it's empty/meaningless/pointless whatever. 

IMO To hold that view you have to have another view somewhere, deep inside that there is the possibility for the opposite.

It'd be like if a quarter had the same face on both sides.  There wouldn't be a heads and a tails side anymore. 

Empty/Full=Same

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Re: The goal line [Re: Cups]
    #14187903 - 03/26/11 05:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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It's as though the quarter has the same face on both sides.  There isn't a heads side and a tails side anymore. 

Or something like that.




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Re: The goal line [Re: Kickle]
    #14189585 - 03/26/11 11:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

At first I interpreted the question as meaning, "What is the goal line of spirituality?" Which reminded me of a quote I read from Alan Watts earlier:
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You may believe yourself out of harmony with life and its eternal Now; but you cannot be, for you are life and exist Now--otherwise you would not be here. Hence the infinite Tao is something which you can neither escape by flight nor catch by pursuit; there is no coming toward it or going away from it; it is, and you are it. So become what you are.


According to this quote and this interpretation of the Tao, the goal line doesn't exist because the race doesn't exist, because you have already reached the end.

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Where is it and how far does one have to travel to get there?




Well, that depends really. I don't think there "IS" a goal line, at least not one separate from our existence just waiting for us to stumble upon it. This reminds me of a quote from the psychologist Csikszentmihalyi,
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It is true that life has no meaning, if by that we mean a supreme goal built into the fabric of nature and human experience, a goal that is valid for every individual. But it does not follow that life cannot be given meaning… It is one thing to recognize that life is, by itself, meaningless. It is another thing entirely to accept this with resignation. The first fact does not entail the second any more than the fact that we lack wings prevents us from flying.


If reality does have a meaning, a goal line, a purpose, then I think it comes from us creating it. Like Frankl, I think we need to create our own meaning and our own goal line. If we wait for a goal/purpose to come to us, well, we might just wither away waiting our wholes lives, until we reach 90 and think to ourselves, "...shit."


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Re: The goal line [Re: deCypher]
    #14190268 - 03/27/11 02:38 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Kickle said:
Don't let me tell you otherwise :thumbup:

I've found the most enduring peace in seeing my inherent emptiness. From body to mind.




:lol:



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