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Patlal
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Differences between weed strains
#14174931 - 03/24/11 10:03 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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From what I heard its hard to get decent weed for a good price in the states.
When strains are mentions though, I find it very overrated as for all the changes in between them.
I truely believe its a placebo effect that people experience from changing strains thinking that one is better than the other. Bottom line is, THC is THC... Just like psilocybin is psilocybin.
I smoked many different colored and different smelling weed from different strains, and I have yet to find a real difference between them other than the sales pitch from the dealers (which I have learned from experience to take very very lightly). All the dealers claim to have the best stuff, they mention a strain and they put it up there as if I just struck gold...
In fact, the only real change I've experienced from strains is: - Potency (duh) - smell - taste
Other than potency, these differences are completely useless in terms of what I'm seeking from weed.
Bottomline, if a grower knows what he's doing, the weed he grows will be of good quality, no mather the strain he uses IMO.
Can anyone relate to this?
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Re: Differences between weed strains [Re: Patlal]
#14174995 - 03/24/11 10:21 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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marijuana is like wine in the differences. if you think its all the same, youre probably not getting good weed, or you dont feel like taking time to actually enjoy the bud and get a good taste and feel for it.
if youre not a regular smoker you cant tell the difference.
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Re: Differences between weed strains [Re: Patlal]
#14174999 - 03/24/11 10:23 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Im going to disagree with this
I can easily tell the difference between a kush and a sativa by the type of high that I get.
Maybe your just not getting good enough weed.
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Re: Differences between weed strains [Re: trekie]
#14175004 - 03/24/11 10:25 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Some people just... wanna get hiiigh
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Re: Differences between weed strains [Re: Patlal]
#14175014 - 03/24/11 10:28 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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All my dealers have different weed all the time, most of them don't even bother knowing what the strain is, just say it's "awesome bud", and it almost always is. I live in Canada also though, so i can't speak for what it's like in the US.
The best weed i ever smoked looked like crap, but it's potency was insane.
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Re: Differences between weed strains [Re: Patlal]
#14175062 - 03/24/11 10:42 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Patlal said: Can anyone relate to this?
I tend to agree. Anyone who has ever participated in a double blind study would probably agree as well. There may be some rather large, global differences, but people certainly couldn't discriminate between 100's of strains strictly on effects.
It is kind of like wine. When put to a "true" double blind test, there are numerous instances where "experts" are found to be full of shit and $10 bottles of wine beat out wines from france.
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Re: Differences between weed strains [Re: Patlal]
#14175091 - 03/24/11 10:52 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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um, sativa vs indica is like night and day.
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SamuelLJackson said: um, sativa vs indica is like night and day.
no kiddin
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Re: Differences between weed strains [Re: Ajaxx]
#14175108 - 03/24/11 10:57 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Expectations play a huge role though.
I've seen data where people have mistaken caffeine for cocaine, opiates for benzos, DXM for psilocybin, and the great placebo effect.
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Re: Differences between weed strains [Re: badchad] 1
#14175131 - 03/24/11 11:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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badchad said: Expectations play a huge role though.
I've seen data where people have mistaken caffeine for cocaine, opiates for benzos, DXM for psilocybin, and the great placebo effect.
had those people ever done those drugs before? because i have an extremely hard time believing that i would ever mistake caffeine for cocaine.
or dxm for psilocybin.
or xanax for an opiate.
theyre all such different feelings completely.
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Re: Differences between weed strains [Re: badchad]
#14175140 - 03/24/11 11:04 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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badchad said: Expectations play a huge role though.
I've seen data where people have mistaken caffeine for cocaine, opiates for benzos, DXM for psilocybin, and the great placebo effect.
yea, but have YOU personally had this happen?
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Re: Differences between weed strains [Re: badchad]
#14175168 - 03/24/11 11:10 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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badchad said: Expectations play a huge role though.
I've seen data where people have mistaken caffeine for cocaine, opiates for benzos, DXM for psilocybin, and the great placebo effect.
Do expectations change the effects of a roofie in a drink?
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ROFL_my_ WAFFLE said:
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badchad said: Expectations play a huge role though.
I've seen data where people have mistaken caffeine for cocaine, opiates for benzos, DXM for psilocybin, and the great placebo effect.
Do expectations change the effects of a roofie in a drink?
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Re: Differences between weed strains [Re: badchad] 2
#14175222 - 03/24/11 11:20 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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badchad said:
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Patlal said: Can anyone relate to this?
I tend to agree. Anyone who has ever participated in a double blind study would probably agree as well. There may be some rather large, global differences, but people certainly couldn't discriminate between 100's of strains strictly on effects.
This is complete bullshit--different strains are known to have different effects because they have differing levels of the various psychoactive compounds found in cannabis, this is why medical marijuana dealers recommend certain strains which are known to be more effective at treating whichever illness(es) their patients are afflicted with.
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Re: Differences between weed strains [Re: Poid]
#14175542 - 03/24/11 12:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Let me rephrase, and use a simple example.
It's likely an individual could tell the difference between say, pure THC, and pure CBD. As the ratio changes, it would be interesting to see the threshold at which people could determine a "ratio change" or identify a specific ratio.
For example, could you tell the difference between 100% thc, and 99% THC/1%CBD?
What about a 95% THC/5% CBD mixture?
What about 90% THC/10% CBD
And so on and so on.
I think there would be very few "types" that people could tell the difference between based on effects alone. I highly doubt people could pick out specific strains among the many that are available.
I think it's similar to wine, where people claim to be able to tell all sorts of shit, but when put to an actual test, it's shown that beyond a reasonable limit, people are full of crap.
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Re: Differences between weed strains [Re: Rectangle 3D]
#14175643 - 03/24/11 12:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Different strains may have different components, ingredients, and what not.
That doesn't necessarily mean people can tell the difference between them under blinded conditions.
All I can tell you is that there are formal, blinded studies, where pot smokers cannot tell the difference between synthetic (pure THC) and marijuana extract. So the scientific data seem to suggest that there aren't a lot of differences, despite what people claim.
It's an empirical question that hasn't been looked at systematically.
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Re: Differences between weed strains [Re: badchad]
#14175644 - 03/24/11 12:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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badchad said: I think there would be very few "types" that people could tell the difference between based on effects alone. I highly doubt people could pick out specific strains among the many that are available.
Let me guess, you've never been to a medical marijuana facility? Have you ever tested several medical quality strains? Do you have any personal, first-hand experience to corroborate anything that you're talking about here, or are you just completely full of crap?
Every strain produces a unique high, and the differences in the highs produced by each strain can range from subtle, to gross--this is why the indica high is generally described as "couchlock", and the sativa high is generally described as "mental". Sure, it may be hard to tell two purple indicas apart, because they're very similar, but the difference in the high produced by a purple indica, and the high produced by a green sativa is extremely noticeable. Also, the difference between the high produced by indica/sativa hybrids, and the highs produced by pure indicas/pure sativas is easily noticeable. Then, we get into special strains like "Trainwreck", whose main effects take much longer to kick in than the effects of other strains.
So yeah, it's definitely been proven that each strain produces a unique, noticeable (to varying extents, of course) high--again, medical marijuana dispensary employees are trained to know which strains work best for specific ailments.
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badchad said: I think it's similar to wine, where people claim to be able to tell all sorts of shit, but when put to an actual test, it's shown that beyond a reasonable limit, people are full of crap.
Can you please provide a source for such a test?
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Edited by Poid (03/24/11 12:58 PM)
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Re: Differences between weed strains [Re: badchad]
#14175677 - 03/24/11 12:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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badchad said: All I can tell you is that there are formal, blinded studies, where pot smokers cannot tell the difference between synthetic (pure THC) and marijuana extract. So the scientific data seem to suggest that there aren't a lot of differences, despite what people claim.
WTF? Those studies do not say anything about whether or not people can notice the difference in highs between the varying cannabis strains--why you think that a study which concluded that pot smokers cannot tell the difference between synthetic THC and marijuana extract (which is basically pure THC) says anything about whether or not pot smokers can detect the difference in the highs produced by the various cannabis (which is neither pure THC, or marijuana extract) strains is completely beyond me...
I couldn't ever make such a huge leap in logic, even if I practiced.
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Edited by Poid (03/24/11 01:10 PM)
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Re: Differences between weed strains [Re: Poid]
#14175741 - 03/24/11 01:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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badchad said: Like I said, it's an empirical question that should be actually tested.
If it hasn't been tested, then how come medical marijuana employees are well-versed in the effects of the strains they sell, and how are they able to determine which strains treat certain ailments most effectively? Why did you conveniently ignore this point?
Hey, you deleted your post!
Edited by Poid (03/24/11 01:11 PM)
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