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biologys said: looking good.
Think I should shake?
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Re: Progress [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14140883 - 03/18/11 12:27 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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getting close to about when i would shake, maybe give another day or so then shake 'em up
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Yeah it looks the same in all 3 inoc spots pretty much.
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When did you noc those? The 10th?
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I'd say definitely another day or two before shaking. You want enough mycelium in there to get distributed pretty much evenly throughout the jar once you shake it up so when it recovers it has the most points to spread to as possible...
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Re: Progress [Re: fbi365]
#14140931 - 03/18/11 12:36 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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fbi365 said: When did you noc those? The 10th?
The 13th around 2 AM *Correction 11th around 2 AM* 13th was when I first noticed a spot of growth.
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Re: Progress [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14141283 - 03/18/11 02:10 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Just noced 4 pints of rye with EQ, and one quart with chitwan. I think I might put the chitwan in a tray in sgfc and make GLCs from the pints.
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Re: Progress [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14142405 - 03/18/11 10:10 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thought one cake started growing new myc all over it, looked just like myc, today it turned green and I sprayed it with lysol and chucked it. It bubbled like no tomorrow everywhere the green was, yaaaaay my first trich. *Pats self on back.*
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Re: Progress [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14143433 - 03/18/11 02:14 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Progress [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14143462 - 03/18/11 02:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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yep
that last pic, the first jar looks to have a green tint on the side of it, hopefully thats just the lighting?
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Re: Progress [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14143479 - 03/18/11 02:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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looking good. Just 1 question though,
Why 3 inoculation points? I use 1 & rotate the needle inside the jar in a circular motion. That way it colonizes more evenly throughout the jar rather than a few stripes through it. 
bio, I just looked closely @ that one. It's the 3rd from the left in the first picture. It's got a weird glass flaw to it, the jar somewhat goes in right there. I've had 1 jar look like that before (the glass not the grain.) That's def. just a weird reflection due to the concave glass. It made me worried as hell to bang my jar though. Thought I was going to break the bitch in my hand...it didn't break, but I've since put it in a different place so I don't use it for my grains again...
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looking good. Just 1 question though,
Why 3 inoculation points? I use 1 & rotate the needle inside the jar in a circular motion. That way it colonizes more evenly throughout the jar rather than a few stripes through it. 
This is only my second time, and my first bulk, I was just following someone else's method. If I had known they way that you did it at the time I definitely would have done it that way. Believe me I will next time, because you have been one of the most helpful and informative people on here and you have helped me soo much. If there was a way to suggest a TC tag or vote or help you get one, I would do it because you are much more thorough and helpful than half the TCs I have seen, except RR of course. Gotta love the MAN. Thanks for all your help TL, it is truly appreciated.
P.S. I think I might have shook my quarts too soon (they were maybe 20% at most) and my pint grain jars I am going to turn into LCs might pass them up, so I might just use the LC I get from them to noc up some more and do my experiment below side by side in two monos to compare. Guess I will see as time goes on. And sorry for the long posts its part of my ocd also, I try to cover every aspect of the questions I have so I can get a more informative answer.
I have an idea for my bulk sub, since coir is pretty low in ph I was thinking of taking some half strength coffee (50% coffee fresh brewed, 50% water) adding it to a quart of half verm, half 10x dehydrated Hpoo pellets from myco supply until it is field capacity and then adding that, fully pasteurized the way Hpoo is supposed to be to my already cooling Damion's 5050 coir and mixing it in for added nitrogen ph and nutes for my bulk casing.
Here is the Hpoo I got, http://www.mycosupply.com/cgi-bin/shopper.cgi?preadd=action&key=DHYM01 it's only a quart (one pound dry, dehydrated). Read the end of the first paragraph on that link it says it can be added as a nutrient additive because of its concentrated state.
I know I linked it before and asked in AMU, 13shroom had the good suggestion to do the D's 5050 pasteurize separately since Hpoo need full pasteurization. The Hpoo I would add the diluted coffee to it until it was hydrated, add the pint of verm, and then add 1/2 strength coffee while mixing it until it is field capacity and then pasteurize it. I am going to do the D's 5050 to a T this first time but in a few weeks hopefully I will have some ez grain LCs to noc up 6 more quarts of rye and I was wondering if the 10x myco supply Hpoo and verm with half strength coffee as a hydration substitute for water would be a good idea, weather anyone has ever used the 10x dehydrated Hpoo from myco, if and when I should test the ph with adding such a small amount of poo and coffee, and just any feedback on my obvious rebellion against the norm and my continuous mental need for experimentation.
If it all goes bad and I get a contam of bad results the only thing bad about it would be that I have to go buy more grains and start over, and that I would learn from my mistakes.
If I mix a pint of the dehydrated Hpoo pellets with a pint of verm, bring to field capacity and test the PH and it is below 7 since the damions 5050 is so much more in weight and relatively low PH then I should have no problems with too high of a PH correct or no?
Keep in mind, I am OCD and I can't help trying to improvise, I am constantly looking for a better way to invent the wheel, if you know what I mean, I can not help it.
Please respond without telling me to just follow the tek, because that is what I am going to do the first mono, I just want to experiment with different additives and I need feedback from people that have experimented with bulk subs and their content.
Sorry for the long posts with a ton of question, I try to separate and make paragraphs as best I can to not confuse and make it easier to read. As always any feedback besides follow the tek, ( I am, and if it gets amazing results I will still experiment) is much appreciated, tell me anything from negative to positive to STFU, it doesn't matter to me as long as I learn something from it weather it be negative or positive.
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Re: Progress [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14148121 - 03/19/11 11:55 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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This is only my second time, and my first bulk, I was just following someone else's method. If I had known they way that you did it at the time I definitely would have done it that way. Believe me I will next time, because you have been one of the most helpful and informative people on here and you have helped me soo much. If there was a way to suggest a TC tag or vote or help you get one, I would do it because you are much more thorough and helpful than half the TCs I have seen, except RR of course. Gotta love the MAN. Thanks for all your help TL, it is truly appreciated.
I think to become a TC you have to be noticed by the mods & other TCs...but IDK. I try to make fluent, fully explained posts while being curtious to other members, but I know I come of brash @ times. It's just how I was trained/taught to write (being a Literature major w/ a minor in Psychology). You could RR suggesting it, but I don't know how much good that'd do....
Thanks for the kind words Enigma.
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3n1gm4 said: P.S. I think I might have shook my quarts too soon (they were maybe 20% at most) and my pint grain jars I am going to turn into LCs might pass them up, so I might just use the LC I get from them to noc up some more and do my experiment below side by side in two monos to compare.
I'm sure you'll be fine, as long as you fully distributed the colonized grains throughout the jar. We shake vigorously @ that stage so the myc makes a contact point w/ the majority of grains & glass in the jar, because that myc will colonize every point it touches.
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Sorry for the long posts with a ton of question, I try to separate and make paragraphs as best I can to not confuse and make it easier to read. As always any feedback besides follow the tek, ( I am, and if it gets amazing results I will still experiment) is much appreciated, tell me anything from negative to positive to STFU, it doesn't matter to me as long as I learn something from it weather it be negative or positive.
That's a great philosophy to have in mycology. We learn more from our failures/mistakes than from success. I'd make a grow log of the ideas you have & implement them, showing all your techniques/procedures. That way you'll have everything you need for a sweet tek & a nice grow log.
GL buddy. You're doing great 
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Thanks for the kind words Enigma.
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Sorry for the long posts with a ton of question, I try to separate and make paragraphs as best I can to not confuse and make it easier to read. As always any feedback besides follow the tek, ( I am, and if it gets amazing results I will still experiment) is much appreciated, tell me anything from negative to positive to STFU, it doesn't matter to me as long as I learn something from it weather it be negative or positive.
That's a great philosophy to have in mycology. We learn more from our failures/mistakes than from success. I'd make a grow log of the ideas you have & implement them, showing all your techniques/procedures. That way you'll have everything you need for a sweet tek & a nice grow log.
GL buddy. You're doing great 
I'm going to have my lid teks up this weekend, so watch for those. They'll be in my signature.
Thats perfect timing on your lid tek because I just got my SFDs today.
As for the grow log, I will have to wait a while until I have done the tried and true methods, I have decided to take everyones advice and follow the tek to a T this first bulk. After that I will definitely experiment in the sub content and additives.
As for RR it says in his message on his PM page that cultivation questions won't be answered through PMs so I would have to just make my question shorter in a new thread and hope he or someone who has tried similar sees it and answers.
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Re: Progress [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14152253 - 03/20/11 03:38 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well here it goes Make a pot of coffee, add 4 cups of coffee to 6 cups of water.
Add 1 brick coir, 10 cups coffee/water (2 1/2 quarts) in a large pot pasteurized between 160-170F for 30-45 minutes, pour into bucket and place on the lid. (have never done bulk or coir so I may have to adjust the amount of liquid to get it near field capacity, if it looks dry I will add coffee/water 40/60 mix until it looks just above field capacity for the 30 minute simmer)D's 5050 calls for 16 cups of water for 2 quarts verm and 1 brick coir so I just estimated how much liquid I would need for the coir.
Measure 1 quart of dehydrated Hpoo from myco supply and add a pint of water and allow to soak, stir and add small amounts of water until it forms a thick paste. Add 2 quarts of dry verm and one cup gypsum already mixed, mix with paste, add water in small amounts and stir until it reaches field capacity testing it each time before adding more water(most 1brick coir sub teks call for 1 gallon of water*16cups*, I figured that the 1 quart Hpoo and 2 quarts verm would take around 8 cups making the total a gallon and a pint)*I will adjust as needed for both coir and verm/poo*. Fill four quart jars with the mixture and cover with foil. Place in large pot on top of extra lids and foil layer with water 2/3 of the way up the jars. Weight the jars down with the bottom spacer for the PC with a rock on top and place a thermometer in the middle of one of the jars through a hole in the PC bottom. Turn heat on high until the temp reaches 140 and turn the heat to the lowest setting, my research says that the temp should continue to rise to 170 and stay there for an hour, if temp starts to get near 160F adjust the stove to keep it between 160-170F for at least an hour before removing from stove and uncovering, I will probably go closer to 90 minutes.
Wait for jars to cool enough to handle, open bucket, add four quarts of Hpoo/verm and mix very very well to distribute the Hpoo mixture to all of the coir surface. Leave to cool overnight.
Stir and check for field capacity the next day, layer, and mix with 5 quarts of rye spawn 1:2 ratio. Plan on filling a mono with 1:2 ration spawn sub until it reaches bottom holes because my mono is kinda small and then using the remainder of my 6 quarts spawn and the rest of my sub to make some trays, or going quickly to the store to purchase another tub for another mono.
Not casing, this will be my first attempt at bulk so I have no idea if using 40/60 coffee water is a good idea, nor do I know if adding the Hpoo to the coir will have any extra benefit.
If I am brave enough to do it when the day comes then I will do a step by step pictorial in case it works like Hpoo straw on steroids. I will also be purchasing some PH test strips to test the PH of different strength coffee mixtures in the next few days and seriously thinking about all the steps trying to decide weather I want to take a chance or not.And weather I will just prepare Damion's simple coir tek and make the Hpoo coir gypsum coffee mix and make one tub of each in case my idea is a total fail.
If it is I will wish I had just followed the tec but at least I wont have totally pussied out on the experiment and I will have learned something I shouldn't try next time and just maybe change one thing from it like not add coffee/water, and try again. I have 5 more pounds of rye and some more syringes to play with, plus 4 pints of rye I plan on using to noc more grains and make clean LCs so I won't be bored for a while anyway.
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Re: Progress [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14152320 - 03/20/11 04:14 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Nevermind, scratch that liquid coffee idea...
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Don't use liquid coffee in anything that doesn't get sterilized. Liquid coffee will contaminate easily if it's not kept totally sterile until fully colonized. Spent coffee grounds are OK in a bulk substrate, but not liquid coffee. RR
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Re: Progress [Re: 3n1gm4]
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Maybe I will add a teaspoon of blood meal and a cup of gypsum to a gallon of water and mix and test the ph every day till spawn day. Maybe the gypsum would keep the blood meal from shooting nitrogen levels too high in the sub. Or maybe just some worm castings if they aren't expensive. I already have blood meal though and since I am not using 100% manure and adding gypsum I think that small amount of blood meal might be okay with a mostly coir sub.
I have read more bad reports on coffee, spent coffee, and dry spent grounds than I have read good about so I want something besides java to add me some nitrogen.
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Re: Progress [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14152343 - 03/20/11 04:31 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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3n1gm4 said: Nevermind, scratch that liquid coffee idea...
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Don't use liquid coffee in anything that doesn't get sterilized. Liquid coffee will contaminate easily if it's not kept totally sterile until fully colonized. Spent coffee grounds are OK in a bulk substrate, but not liquid coffee. RR
YEah, But have you tried liquid coffee in your cakes? just use that instead of water :-) I'm going to be starting to do that next batch of cakes I make from here on out
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Wonder if a person could add INSTANT coffee into the mix? Same nutrients in it...
Anyhow I just read through this thread avidly. Good read. Enigma, good luck with your first bulk. I can't wait till I get to that point myself!
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My jars all looked to be around 80% yesterday, one had a big spot with no growth so I shook it again just to see if it recovers before the others reach 100% and passes them up. I probably won't need that one anyway because both of my monos are only 15 gallon tubs. I will probably end up making some trays and fruiting them in the SGFC with what I have left over. I am going straight Damion5050's coir tek with a cup of gypsum added, on one tub will be just the coir/verm/gypsum and the other I am adding some pasteurized Hpoo to compare.
Can't post any new pics because I have any money or batteries for the camera until next week. The jars are looking good and white though, it will be two weeks since inoc tomorrow, so its going a bit slow probably because I shook too soon. I would say they will be 100% in 4 to 7 more days, maybe 3?
All five of my rye jars that I made for making the easy GLCs are showing small spots of growth. I will keep updated and start taking some more pics when I get some batteries.
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