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Mass murder would actually pretty much fit the bill, wiki says beyond 4 murdered people it's worthy of being called mass murder. Also says that government shooting at protesters is mass murder...i think that would include bombing your own cities...
Just to prove that your admiration is not lost on an unworthy cause...
And to further prove that, Leo Kurper says that genocide should include political groups... ...I won't use it anymore though, it's to far of a stretch...
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Re: What country is next... [Re: Poid] 1
#14174224 - 03/24/11 05:13 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Tchan909 said: Oh, but of course I agree with you about the drug war and Mexico. It makes my head spin.
I wonder how pissed the cartels would be if drugs were legalized; I'd imagine they'd be pretty fucking pissed, and might even start killing off US citizens. 
so because you think the mob would get real angry you think we should keep 'drugs' illegal? coward.
even if they did get real pissed and started to kill random citizens i'm sure you could just take what resources went into the DEA and other anti drug agencies and put them to work on protecting citizens and helping mexico get back on its feet.
also i doubt the cartels power will last much longer without their huge income of drugmoney. unless they turned to legitimate drug sales, but even then, 'these thugs might get angry and start killing random citizens' is a pathetic argument for keeping drugs illegal.
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Re: What country is next... [Re: 13.step]
#14174226 - 03/24/11 05:13 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Gaddafi's military isn't a political group, it's a military. So no, we are not committing mass murder.
Gaddafi was the one committing mass murder.
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It's really, really sad, dude. What kind of state of mind must a person be in to feel justified in sawing off another human being's head, and then playing with it afterwards like it's just some kind of fucking toy? That shit would haunt me for the rest of my life...
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Re: What country is next... [Re: I R Crankey]
#14174229 - 03/24/11 05:14 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Tchan909 said: Oh, but of course I agree with you about the drug war and Mexico. It makes my head spin.
I wonder how pissed the cartels would be if drugs were legalized; I'd imagine they'd be pretty fucking pissed, and might even start killing off US citizens. 
so because you think the mob would get real angry you think we should keep 'drugs' illegal? coward.
even if they did get real pissed and started to kill random citizens i'm sure you could just take what resources went into the DEA and other anti drug agencies and put them to work on protecting citizens and helping mexico get back on its feet.
also i doubt the cartels power will last much longer without their huge income of drugmoney. unless they turned to legitimate drug sales, but even then, 'these thugs might get angry and start killing random citizens' is a pathetic argument for keeping drugs illegal.
What in the fuck man, there was no such argument made.
It's no wonder I drink.
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Tchan909 said: I admire none of these bullshit artists. I believe all politicians are liars and hypocrites.
That said, these are the liars and hypocrites who are paid by our tax money and use more of that same tax money in an attempt to serve our interests on the world stage.
Clinton did a great job doing that in eastern Europe. It cost us nearly nothing in the grand scheme of things, it saved us the trouble of dealing with hostile regimes in the future, and it spared the people who lived there from absolute authoritarianism and brutality.
Obama is doing exactly the same thing in Libya. He is using a minimalistic approach to the commitment of our military to achieve short-term objectives in the interest of weakening the resident dictator, giving the people of that country more of a chance to form a democratic government.
But our perspective of our government has been deeply tainted by the complete incompetence and retardation of George W. Bush. He used the principles of authoritarian dictatorship in his approach to Afghanistan and Iraq, because he is the worst president we've ever had. The power he wielded represents a far more massive failure of our government than anything Obama is doing now.
I'm not saying any politician (including Obama) is a humanitarian, or even a good person. In fact, I know they are liars and hypocrites, because that is what they are by nature. I am, however, saying that some of them are good at their jobs and some of them fucked up real bad.
Well timing is critical and obama should know were in no spot to be involved in fixing a fucked up regime like libya, when we cant even fix are own damn problems. Its a sham the hole fucking thing really.
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Tchan909 said: Considering you can't understand sarcasm, I suddenly wonder what I can possibly hope to accomplish by explaining current events and historical precedents to you.
Well considering they achieved exactly what they wanted in Iraq which was establishing a base of operations in the middle east like some global monopoly game. I thought you were serious that W. organized. the invasion. And it was amusing. But hey whatever, u made it clear that your a know it all wise ass, in your posts and you clearly proved that. So i wont be missing much talkin to the likes of a such a superior minded jack ass as yourself.
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Re: What country is next... [Re: I R Crankey]
#14174236 - 03/24/11 05:18 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Tchan909 said: Oh, but of course I agree with you about the drug war and Mexico. It makes my head spin.
I wonder how pissed the cartels would be if drugs were legalized; I'd imagine they'd be pretty fucking pissed, and might even start killing off US citizens. 
so because you think the mob would get real angry you think we should keep 'drugs' illegal? coward.
I never said that; no name calling in the Pub.
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Wut a Twist said: even if they did get real pissed and started to kill random citizens i'm sure you could just take what resources went into the DEA and other anti drug agencies and put them to work on protecting citizens and helping mexico get back on its feet.
What if the cartels wage war on America, guerilla style?
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Wut a Twist said: also i doubt the cartels power will last much longer without their huge income of drugmoney.
They probably have a shit-load of money saved--even if they didn't, they'd still have enough money for guns and ammo, which are very cheap in Mexico.
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Wut a Twist said: unless they turned to legitimate drug sales, but even then, 'these thugs might get angry and start killing random citizens' is a pathetic argument for keeping drugs illegal.
I agree.
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Tchan909 said: It's no wonder I drink.
I feel ya, buddy.
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Tchan909 said: Gaddafi's military isn't a political group, it's a military. So no, we are not committing mass murder.
Gaddafi was the one committing mass murder.
That's what I am saying, at no point did I say the international community was committing mass-murder, what I said was that people against this intervention love genocide mass-murder because this intervention, sure, among other things, is aimed at preventing fuck-face Gaddhafi from committing it...and I meant the rebels by distinct political group, and Gaddhafis military is also a political group since they run the country.
Anyway, what in the hell did you think I was talking about? Talk about misunderstandings...
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Re: What country is next... [Re: 13.step]
#14174279 - 03/24/11 05:37 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Holy shit dude this conversation suddenly makes more sense 
I thought you were calling our own actions over there a genocide, I was like 
I see what you're saying now though, also explains why you reacted that way to my statements about Bush. Shit's retarded though, I stand by "retarded," he fucked us over big-time.
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I love when that happens, sudden moment of clarity ftw.You still admire my passion, right? 
I don't think I reacted to your comments about bush though... ...I take it it was some good weed?
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Re: What country is next... [Re: 13.step]
#14174289 - 03/24/11 05:44 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I was referring to the part where you figured I was talking about Bush's brilliance in establishing monopolies in the mideast using Iraq and Afghanistan, and I was just calling him a retard for wasting so much taxpayer money on just that, and it all got confusing because your sarcasm wasn't my sarcasm and lmao 
That's hilarious. And no, not very good weed, just a good vape, and some gin.
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Re: What country is next... [Re: Poid]
#14174296 - 03/24/11 05:47 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Tchan909 said: Oh, but of course I agree with you about the drug war and Mexico. It makes my head spin.
I wonder how pissed the cartels would be if drugs were legalized; I'd imagine they'd be pretty fucking pissed, and might even start killing off US citizens. 
let them, considering that unlike mexico, the us has armed civilians, they'd just be signing their own death warrants, 3 of the 4 border states are well armed, the 4th is california and you guys are just fucked, no one cares of you're taken over by drug cartels since you guys were folish enough to give up high capacity magazines and scary looking pistol grip rifles
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Re: What country is next... [Re: I R Crankey]
#14174303 - 03/24/11 05:51 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Wut a Twist said: 'these thugs might get angry and start killing random citizens' is a pathetic argument for keeping drugs illegal.
you mean just like they're already doing now... 30,000 killed in the last 7 years by cartels, here's a few of the latest victims
http://www.examiner.com/drug-cartel-in-national/4-year-old-girl-gunned-down-acapulco
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Re: What country is next... [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14174308 - 03/24/11 05:55 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: ...the 4th is california and you guys are just fucked, no one cares of you're taken over by drug cartels...
I fucking care. 
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Wut a Twist said: 'these thugs might get angry and start killing random citizens' is a pathetic argument for keeping drugs illegal.
you mean just like they're already doing now... 30,000 killed in the last 7 years by cartels, here's a few of the latest victims
http://www.examiner.com/drug-cartel-in-national/4-year-old-girl-gunned-down-acapulco
I predict that the violence will only escalate if drugs become legal; I'm not saying that drugs should remain illegal because of this possibility, I'm only pointing out the violence that may ensue as a result of drugs being legalized.
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Re: What country is next... [Re: Poid]
#14174313 - 03/24/11 05:58 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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It never really occurred to me before, but legalizing drugs would probably drive all those cartel members to robbery and shit like that. It would definitely cause chaos, at least for a brief period of time.
It makes me wonder what could be done to provide alternatives prior to legalization
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Re: What country is next... [Re: Poid]
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Prisoner#1 said: ...the 4th is california and you guys are just fucked, no one cares of you're taken over by drug cartels...
I fucking care. 
of course you do but you dont count because you're IN california
how many guns do you own with high capacity magazines and a bayonet mount
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I predict that the violence will only escalate if drugs become legal; I'm not saying that drugs should remain illegal because of this possibility, I'm only pointing out the violence that may ensue as a result of drugs being legalized.
armies wont invade the US because the population is armed, the only reason the cartels have gotten away with that they've done is because US is full of retarded pussy politicians, let the violence escalate and make it over the border, all those people the liberals have been calling racist will toss liberals out front as human shields while they remain safely behind the piles of bodies killing foreign nationals at will
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Tchan909 said: It never really occurred to me before, but legalizing drugs would probably drive all those cartel members to robbery and shit like that. It would definitely cause chaos, at least for a brief period of time.
If being a Mexican for 22 years has taught me anything, it's that Mexicans are typically prideful SOBs who don't know the first thing about letting go of grudges. Especially Mexicans from Mexico (i.e. not ones that were born here in the US, like me).
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Tchan909 said: It makes me wonder what could be done to provide alternatives prior to legalization 
Not much really IMO, especially if the cartels resort to guerilla warfare tactics.
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Tchan909 said: It never really occurred to me before, but legalizing drugs would probably drive all those cartel members to robbery and shit like that. It would definitely cause chaos, at least for a brief period of time.
It makes me wonder what could be done to provide alternatives prior to legalization 
texas and arizona are 'shoot at will' states, who will they rob other then each other
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Re: What country is next... [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said: ...the 4th is california and you guys are just fucked, no one cares of you're taken over by drug cartels...
I fucking care. 
of course you do but you dont count because you're IN california
how many guns do you own with high capacity magazines and a bayonet mount
I don't own any fucking guns, they make me think about death too much. 
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I predict that the violence will only escalate if drugs become legal; I'm not saying that drugs should remain illegal because of this possibility, I'm only pointing out the violence that may ensue as a result of drugs being legalized.
armies wont invade the US because the population is armed...
Like this has ever stopped any determined armies. 
If drugs are legalized, they'll be quite literally fucked--these people are prideful assholes, they don't give a shit about dying for their cause, especially if they feel like they've been royally fucked over. "La Raza", remember? 
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Prisoner#1 said: ...the only reason the cartels have gotten away with that they've done is because US is full of retarded pussy politicians, let the violence escalate and make it over the border, all those people the liberals have been calling racist will toss liberals out front as human shields while they remain safely behind the piles of bodies killing foreign nationals at will
They can easily invade our country, while keeping a low profile, and eventually start to attempt to dismantle it from within, guerilla-style.
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