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Interesting study I came across about rap music * 2
    #14172477 - 03/23/11 08:37 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

http://www.gwu.edu/~soc/docs/Kubrin_gangstas.pdf
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Rap music does not exist in a cultural vacuum; rather it expresses the cultural crossing, mixing, and engagement of black youth culture with the values, attitudes, and concerns of the white majority. Many of the violent (and patriarchical, materialistic, sexist, etc.) ways of thinking that are glorified in gangsta rap are a reflection of the prevailing values created and sustained in the larger society.




We all probably know someone who states that rap music is terrible because it's violent, materialistic, sexist, etc. and because of that reason, they dislike it, yet don't question the values of the dominant society. Quite interesting :strokebeard: Looked at in this context, gangsta rap is just a more in-your-face version of US values.


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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: learningtofly] * 1
    #14172510 - 03/23/11 08:44 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I would hesitate to call it "music". :argh:

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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Le_Canard]
    #14172522 - 03/23/11 08:46 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I would hesitate to call it "music". :argh:





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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #14172593 - 03/23/11 08:59 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Makes sense I guess. Thats probably why rap music sucks these days. Conflicting satements in songs. Its kinda hard to rap about tryna stay alive and killin niggas when you dont have to resort to that.

notice when a rapper gets rich they still try to act like that because its what they are supposed to do, thats what all rappers do right? Where as I could see even successful rappers of the 80s and 90s still rapping about hood shit cause they still hood. It aint like that anymore.


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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Hakim0777] * 5
    #14172618 - 03/23/11 09:03 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

A Freestyle Rap battle translated for white people


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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Hakim0777]
    #14172635 - 03/23/11 09:07 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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notice when a rapper gets rich they still try to act like that because its what they are supposed to do, thats what all rappers do right? Where as I could see even successful rappers of the 80s and 90s still rapping about hood shit cause they still hood. It aint like that anymore.




i know a guy who raps, and even has a few songs on itunes; and when we were talkin about his rap once he was telling me to not take what he says seriously because you have to put on a front to sell shit.

but he wouldnt have had to tell me that, just from knowing him i would have known that what he said was bullshit. :lol:

all the dumb girls love it though. theyre like flies to shit. (not to compare my friend to shit, but thats a nice phrase to describe it)


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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #14172653 - 03/23/11 09:11 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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ToiletDuk said:
I would hesitate to call it "music". :argh:








No, just no....

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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14172672 - 03/23/11 09:15 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Hakim0777 said:
notice when a rapper gets rich they still try to act like that because its what they are supposed to do, thats what all rappers do right? Where as I could see even successful rappers of the 80s and 90s still rapping about hood shit cause they still hood. It aint like that anymore.




i know a guy who raps, and even has a few songs on itunes; and when we were talkin about his rap once he was telling me to not take what he says seriously because you have to put on a front to sell shit.

but he wouldnt have had to tell me that, just from knowing him i would have known that what he said was bullshit. :lol:

all the dumb girls love it though. theyre like flies to shit. (not to compare my friend to shit, but thats a nice phrase to describe it)




my point exactly but back in the day some of them were some hard as nails pipe hittin niggas man.



They used to be some hard ass dudes man, some of em got that 1000 yard stare ya know?


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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: learningtofly]
    #14172895 - 03/23/11 09:55 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, rap music is reflection of the modern ghetto experience.  Rappers are talking about what they know, what they feel.  Or at least that was the case. After Biggie and Pac got killed off, rap was hijacked. 

Record companies saw an enormous potential for money making and cultural influence in rap.  It was moved out the underground, into the mainstream, and artists became creatively constrained as executives turned to the old pop formula.

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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: B.Frank]
    #14173020 - 03/23/11 10:13 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)



That's how I likes my rap :awesome:

None of that money and bitches trash.


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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Hakim0777]
    #14173860 - 03/24/11 01:41 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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my point exactly but back in the day some of them were some hard as nails pipe hittin niggas man.



They used to be some hard ass dudes man, some of em got that 1000 yard stare ya know?






Hell yes Wu-Tang forever. GZA has consistently put out excellent albums,
Liquid Swords 1995
Beneath The Surface 1999
Legend of the Liquid Sword 2002
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Alphabets off his most recent Pro tools:



Also Nas has been coming out with some good stuff lately:

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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: learningtofly]
    #14173865 - 03/24/11 01:43 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Heres a study for you....



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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: learningtofly]
    #14173966 - 03/24/11 02:37 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

If i was 18, I think I could say curse words and and speak about stupid bitches and stuff, while a drum machine played.  Wow, thats music.


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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: starfire_xes]
    #14174860 - 03/24/11 09:46 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

i dont think rap is music. i think the beat behind the poem is music. the rapper is dr suess to a book that already has pictures


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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Hakim0777] * 1
    #14174899 - 03/24/11 09:55 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Dude, WTF? haha



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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: learningtofly]
    #14174905 - 03/24/11 09:56 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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learningtofly said:
http://www.gwu.edu/~soc/docs/Kubrin_gangstas.pdf
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Rap music does not exist in a cultural vacuum; rather it expresses the cultural crossing, mixing, and engagement of black youth culture with the values, attitudes, and concerns of the white majority. Many of the violent (and patriarchical, materialistic, sexist, etc.) ways of thinking that are glorified in gangsta rap are a reflection of the prevailing values created and sustained in the larger society.




We all probably know someone who states that rap music is terrible because it's violent, materialistic, sexist, etc. and because of that reason, they dislike it, yet don't question the values of the dominant society. Quite interesting :strokebeard: Looked at in this context, gangsta rap is just a more in-your-face version of US values.



that's how it's meant to be listened to. Rap has always been an artform, just because people fail to see it's importance and influence doesnt mean it isnt a good thing. People just arent willing to examine it in the way that you would examine monet because it isnt always as pretty.


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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: twighead]
    #14174919 - 03/24/11 10:00 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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That's how I likes my rap :awesome:

None of that money and bitches trash.



rap music that is what it is.


aside form this post and the OP, nothing in this thread is what it is...

just make-believe.

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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: learningtofly]
    #14174922 - 03/24/11 10:01 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

oh, and you're saying blacks are trying to be like the rich billionaires in society but exhibit it in extremity?

Makes sense in some cases.  If my ancestral line was largely primitive tent dwellers and were only civilized for a couple hundred years, I suppose I, too, would want to evolve as quickly as possible by acquiring women of genetic superiority and lifestyles in diametric opposition to my ancestors.


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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Hakim0777]
    #14174975 - 03/24/11 10:15 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

lmao ODB is awesome, but nobody's mentioned immortal technique or dead prez yet? :/ them niggas keeps it real.


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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Mycotopiotic]
    #14174981 - 03/24/11 10:17 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

bwahahahahaha "dead prez"  *continues laughing*


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