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Re: Influncing the Masses to try Pychadelics through Mainstream Media & Entertainment. [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
    #14173586 - 03/24/11 12:13 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Lady Gaga possesses creativity?

On a more serious note, it couldn't be near that overt or it'd be instantly shut down. Thus is the paradox of using the propaganda machine to dispel propaganda. You'd have to be incredibly subtle, and even then I doubt it'd be more than a soundbyte.

Sadly, I doubt that we can depend on the mainstream media to knowingly disseminate any consciousness-opening knowledge, psychotropic or not. This movement is pretty intrinsically underground.


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Re: Influncing the Masses to try Pychadelics through Mainstream Media & Entertainment. [Re: UnstoppableNewt]
    #14174119 - 03/24/11 04:06 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

This already happened once you know.

I think it varies through time and personality and method.


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Re: Influncing the Masses to try Pychadelics through Mainstream Media & Entertainment. [Re: UnstoppableNewt]
    #14174158 - 03/24/11 04:32 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Of course she is creative whether you like her style or not. Being a broke and obscure artist merely says one doesn't have the stones to go big time or know how to reach their audience. Nothing laudable about being small-time.


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Re: Influncing the Masses to try Pychadelics through Mainstream Media & Entertainment. [Re: Freedom]
    #14174161 - 03/24/11 04:34 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Influncing the Masses to try Pychadelics through Mainstream Media & Entertainment. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14174546 - 03/24/11 08:06 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'll admit, she's more creative than most in the pop scene, but as a musician, I hope you know there is such a thing as a formula for a hit song. Like, literally, a formula with chord progressions and all.


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Re: Influncing the Masses to try Pychadelics through Mainstream Media & Entertainment. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14174628 - 03/24/11 08:38 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Of course she is creative whether you like her style or not.


I don't know much about her, but I wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't write any of her music, or if she lip-syncs. Neither would it surprise me if she uses auto-tune software during recording sessions.


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Re: Influncing the Masses to try Pychadelics through Mainstream Media & Entertainment. [Re: Poid]
    #14174637 - 03/24/11 08:41 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Of course she is creative whether you like her style or not.


I don't know much about her, but I wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't write any of her music, or if she lip-syncs. Neither would it surprise me if she uses auto-tune software during recording sessions.




Whoever writes the stuff, whether it's her or somebody else, is being creative and using creative tools to do so.

But I wouldn't take shrooms just because Lady Gaga said to. :shrug:


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Re: Influncing the Masses to try Pychadelics through Mainstream Media & Entertainment. [Re: Doc_T]
    #14174648 - 03/24/11 08:44 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I was kinda thinking about that. I always thought it would be cool to see a movie about some kids going to a music festival and showing everything they see and do while there. but then again i wouldnt want to be the one to bring that to mainstream :tongue2:


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Re: Influncing the Masses to try Pychadelics through Mainstream Media & Entertainment. [Re: Doc_T]
    #14174664 - 03/24/11 08:49 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Of course she is creative whether you like her style or not.


I don't know much about her, but I wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't write any of her music, or if she lip-syncs. Neither would it surprise me if she uses auto-tune software during recording sessions.




Whoever writes the stuff, whether it's her or somebody else, is being creative and using creative tools to do so.


True, but I'm just saying that, AFAIK, there is no "of course" about her being creative, because she likely isn't. Many pop musicians are not involved with the creative process, like all them boy-bands back in the day for instance.


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But I wouldn't take shrooms just because Lady Gaga said to. :shrug:


Some people might, though. :shrug:


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Re: Influncing the Masses to try Pychadelics through Mainstream Media & Entertainment. [Re: Poid]
    #14174676 - 03/24/11 08:51 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think of a pop star as a collective organism. "She is creative" = a group of people being creative.

Question, which would cause more people to try a drug?
Lady Gaga says try it, it's great.
Big name politician says don't try it, it's evil.

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Re: Influncing the Masses to try Pychadelics through Mainstream Media & Entertainment. [Re: Doc_T]
    #14174691 - 03/24/11 08:57 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Lady Gaga doesn't have a creative bone in her body.


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Re: Influncing the Masses to try Pychadelics through Mainstream Media & Entertainment. [Re: jebustrist]
    #14174698 - 03/24/11 08:59 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I wouldnt fuck her with Docs dick.....  :studmuffin:


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Re: Influncing the Masses to try Pychadelics through Mainstream Media & Entertainment. [Re: Doc_T]
    #14174699 - 03/24/11 09:00 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Question, which would cause more people to try a drug?
Lady Gaga says try it, it's great.
Big name politician says don't try it, it's evil.

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Obviously Lady Gaga, or else the majority of people would be using drugs right now. :shrug:

If she can convince her fans to listen to her music, then fuck, there's no limit to what she can convince them to do. And AFAIK, she has a shitload of fans, worldwide.


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Re: Influncing the Masses to try Pychadelics through Mainstream Media & Entertainment. [Re: alcoholocaust]
    #14174704 - 03/24/11 09:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You're missing the point. Some creative person is putting on The Lady Gaga Show.
Could that same creative person put on the Acid is Awesome Show with the same popular results?


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I wouldnt fuck her with Docs dick.....  :studmuffin:




I heard she's a guy... :uhoh:


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Re: Influncing the Masses to try Pychadelics through Mainstream Media & Entertainment. [Re: Doc_T]
    #14174719 - 03/24/11 09:04 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The real question is: why do you think more people taking psys would change anything?


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Re: Influncing the Masses to try Pychadelics through Mainstream Media & Entertainment. [Re: jebustrist]
    #14174734 - 03/24/11 09:09 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I don't.


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    #14174739 - 03/24/11 09:11 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)



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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: Influncing the Masses to try Pychadelics through Mainstream Media & Entertainment. [Re: Freedom]
    #14175178 - 03/24/11 11:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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This already happened once you know.

I think it varies through time and personality and method.



Yep. It was called the sixties.


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Re: Influncing the Masses to try Pychadelics through Mainstream Media & Entertainment. [Re: NetDiver]
    #14175487 - 03/24/11 12:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

here is my theory:


lets say MTV Real world, TRL, and Jersey Shore and all that stuff starts promoting psychedelics...


it wouldn't necessarily make the impact you would want it to. Don't forget how HUGE of an influence other people are, and how much the way your attention is directed during a trip influences the depth of experience you have.


can you imagine some MTV idol being on acid? Would it shatter their idea of what is important to them? (their cribs, pimped rides, etc?)

I guess its possible, but ya know, TV often makes references to weed and lsd

even people who seem to support it


comedians make jokes about how weed gives you the munchies and makes you do dumb things

so that's how weed is perceived by the common ground

LSD makes you see flying elephants and turn into orange juice



so the use of it is promoted or at least mentioned a lot in the mainstream,

but exploring what it can really do for you is not



the general idea seems to be that whatever you experience on it should not be taken seriously because you were just :crazy2:




that's the reason I don't like most "stoner" rock. I think that name is inaccurate. I feel like surely, if they were getting REALLY high, they'd be a little more creative and hypnotic

country songs talk about smoking the funny stuff but then go on to sing about very ego-based, self-reflective tings such as i hope my ex-wife comes back to me. Very profound





the 60s were different. "Consciousness expansion" was the idea presented to the masses. Today it would be just "that funny stuff" or whatever

but the reason I tried psychedelics to begin with was the music I heard. I had to figure out where such deep lyrics came from and such, and I think THAT made psychedelics have a much deeper impact on me than they would most people. Or maybe its just my chemistry or personality.


either way, what you are presented with in life makes a big difference in how you perceive the experience. If you are alone, or around the right people, it could be profound. But it could also be terrifying, maddening, or just a fun drug and not much more. What about christians? they could see it as either the voice of god or possession by the devil



I think more important than promoting the use of drugs is simply promoting something profound. Lady Gaga might promote LSD, but in that world, Lady Gaga is music. She's alright I guess, if you're into that sort of thing,
but I don't think her music would be quite paradigm-shifting.


you might take a psychedelic and realize how stupid the stuff on MTV is...but if you were into all that stuff, and everybody on MTV also took psychedelics, then you might trick yourself into thinking that these other people on psychedelics also know whats going on and having ballin' cribs and pimp rides is part of the psychedelic lifestyle.



long story short: everybody is going to react differently, and it's really not going to destroy as many egos as one would hope. It already doesnt


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Re: Influncing the Masses to try Pychadelics through Mainstream Media & Entertainment. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14176174 - 03/24/11 02:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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You're missing the point. Some creative person is putting on The Lady Gaga Show.
Could that same creative person put on the Acid is Awesome Show with the same popular results?







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Timothy Leery's dead
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Re: Influncing the Masses to try Pychadelics through Mainstream Media & Entertainment. [Re: Freedom]
    #14179245 - 03/24/11 10:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I like to trip Timothy Leary style—by the pool with good mixed drinks and beautiful women on a sunny day. Expensive cigars filled with grade A weed, a wonderful sound system. Living like a high roller is awesome on psychedelics.


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Re: Influncing the Masses to try Pychadelics through Mainstream Media & Entertainment. [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
    #14180377 - 03/25/11 04:10 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

That's why it's called a paradigm shift. It happens so subtly that to all those involved they never even had a chance to alter the outcome, and have no choice but to participate. Think of a the media as a paradigm engine. Its too big, the company's are too massive and too involved to make conscious decisions about where to take 'society' because they too are influenced by their own machinations. If you try to run a paradigm to fast, it doesn't take because its change that people notice....sometimes it slips through, like rock and roll...rough around the edges but it made it into society. Other times the engine bogs down and kicks out a gear...like the 60's...bits float on, but the main them died fast and hard.

Current Paradigm (divided by) New Paradigm (Divided by) Time taken to change (equals) probability of success.

Therefore, the more subtle, the less time required, the grander, the larger time required. No single group, person, etc has power enough to change this. Hitler tried forcing his idea through...look what came of it. Eventually he met the grinding gears of the paradigm engine...and it crushed him.


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Re: Influncing the Masses to try Pychadelics through Mainstream Media & Entertainment. [Re: justamonkey]
    #14185102 - 03/26/11 01:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

If people started talking about it more, it would only stir up more laws and awareness to get caught.  It pretty low key and only people who are looking for it seem to notice it.


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Re: Influncing the Masses to try Pychadelics through Mainstream Media & Entertainment. [Re: RODIpure]
    #14186229 - 03/26/11 10:59 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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If people started talking about it more, it would only stir up more laws and awareness to get caught.  It pretty low key and only people who are looking for it seem to notice it.




this too. it has been happening


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Re: Influncing the Masses to try Pychadelics through Mainstream Media & Entertainment. [Re: AUX]
    #14186563 - 03/26/11 12:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I like to trip Timothy Leary style—by the pool with good mixed drinks and beautiful women on a sunny day. Expensive cigars filled with grade A weed, a wonderful sound system. Living like a high roller is awesome on psychedelics.





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Re: Influncing the Masses to try Pychadelics through Mainstream Media & Entertainment. [Re: 4896744]
    #14187262 - 03/26/11 02:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Do you think Society can handle psychedelics? And how do you imagine society will change as a result from this?


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Re: Influncing the Masses to try Pychadelics through Mainstream Media & Entertainment. [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
    #14188647 - 03/26/11 07:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Lady Gaga’s single “Born This Way” introduces the viewers to the birth of a “new race” and to a new world, using intricate imagery and a precise narrative. It is a psychedelic trip filled with occult and archetypal symbols, telling the story of a cosmic birth and new ideals. However, behind its outward message of acceptance, a more sinister message lies embedded in the symbolism of the video.



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Re: Influncing the Masses to try Pychadelics through Mainstream Media & Entertainment. [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #14188696 - 03/26/11 07:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think the only way this will be done is through music, art or philosophy.  All other ways have already been demonized by the mainstream media.


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    #14188707 - 03/26/11 07:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Our culture is also obsessed with being comfortable and psychedelics are anything but... 

Personally i think the human race is FUBAR and it's too late to fix our wrongs:shrug:


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Re: Influncing the Masses to try Pychadelics through Mainstream Media & Entertainment. [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #14189382 - 03/26/11 10:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Psychedelics offer great potential as tools for researching elusive areas within humanistic and transpersonal psychology, as well as powerful ways to facilitate humanistic and transpersonal growth.




I WANT THIS ARTICLE... but i don't wanna pay $34 for it. Poid, you got a copy?

As others have said, I think psychedelics have already infiltrated the main stream media. Hell, just a week or two ago, Oprah's magazine did a cover story on MDMA psychotherapy. OPRAH. Does it get any more mainstream?

And I think this process of popularization will work better this time. It seems as if the current popularization of psychedelics has happened from the ground up, or, from the inside-out. I don't think a top-down approach with psychedelics will work. But if we as a psychedelic community can turn into valuable members of the larger community, then WE can get the word out from the inside.  Just my :twocents:


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Re: Influncing the Masses to try Pychadelics through Mainstream Media & Entertainment. [Re: ShroomScape]
    #14189510 - 03/26/11 10:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)



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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: Influncing the Masses to try Pychadelics through Mainstream Media & Entertainment. [Re: Poid]
    #14189593 - 03/26/11 11:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Damn. I recently got over a Humanistic-literature binge... And seeing two of my favorite topics, psychedelics and humanism, in one article got me all excited.

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