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I eat meat
    #14172631 - 03/23/11 09:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)



and I still will, but this is the worst animal torture video I've seen yet.


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Re: I eat meat [Re: Strangerous]
    #14172634 - 03/23/11 09:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

fast forward to 7:30 if u don't want to see the whole thing.


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Re: I eat meat [Re: Strangerous]
    #14172680 - 03/23/11 09:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: I eat meat [Re: Strangerous]
    #14172683 - 03/23/11 09:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Damm, thats pretty intense, not enough to stop me from eating meat and fish.  Hopefully the industry changes eventually.


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Re: I eat meat [Re: Strangerous]
    #14172690 - 03/23/11 09:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

you know I had veal for the first time this past Saturday

and let me tell you what hot DAMN, it tasted SO good.  I think the bovine suffering added to the deliciousness :lol:


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Re: I eat meat [Re: zSDMF]
    #14172719 - 03/23/11 09:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

there's nothing wrong with eating meat but inhumane animal treatment is straight fucked. Also inhumane killing. I've seen that video before and it makes me nauseous.


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Re: I eat meat [Re: zSDMF]
    #14172722 - 03/23/11 09:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

pretty fucking brutal i must say..  they should definitely be more humane i can see why people get kosher now..  but still..  its not gonna stop me from drinking milk and eating hamburgurs..  or changing at all really..:shrug:


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Re: I eat meat [Re: wow]
    #14172779 - 03/23/11 09:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: I eat meat [Re: Strangerous]
    #14172862 - 03/23/11 09:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

That made me squeamish as all fuck, I'm still going to eat meat though and will probably forget I ever saw this video by tomorrow.


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Re: I eat meat [Re: Hakim0777]
    #14172872 - 03/23/11 09:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The problem is, it takes a person without much of a soul to kill all those animals so we can eat, so to me the abuse isn't that shocking.

My dad's pretty fucked up, but he got a job cleaning floors at a slaughterhouse when he was a teenager and quit after 3 days because he couldn't take it.

And all he was doing was cleaning up the mess.

If there's one industry that really needs a mechanical overhaul, it's DEFINITELY the meat industry. It'd be really tough to do, but if robots could handle the killing behind closed doors, it'd probably keep us from encouraging the psychopaths in our society.

Also, as fucked up as this video is...it made me hungry :datass:


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Re: I eat meat [Re: Synesthetic] * 1
    #14172883 - 03/23/11 09:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

veganism FTW


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Re: I eat meat [Re: Synesthetic]
    #14172901 - 03/23/11 09:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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The problem is, it takes a person without much of a soul to kill all those animals so we can eat, so to me the abuse isn't that shocking.

My dad's pretty fucked up, but he got a job cleaning floors at a slaughterhouse when he was a teenager and quit after 3 days because he couldn't take it.

And all he was doing was cleaning up the mess.

If there's one industry that really needs a mechanical overhaul, it's DEFINITELY the meat industry. It'd be really tough to do, but if robots could handle the killing behind closed doors, it'd probably keep us from encouraging the psychopaths in our society.

Also, as fucked up as this video is...it made me hungry :datass:





We don't need fucking robots to kill animals, we just need our animals to not die by going through an industrial size paper shredder. Not a hard concept to me. If it's instant/painless, I'm all for it.


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Re: I eat meat [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #14172902 - 03/23/11 09:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Pescatarianism ftw!


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Re: I eat meat [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #14172907 - 03/23/11 09:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, I'm a carnivore by nature. When I see a tiger or a shark moving in on its prey in nature documentaries it actually stimulates my appetite. Eating things that have been killed is a core part of how I identify myself as an animal.

That said, industrial meat production is totally fucked. Not only is it nauseatingly cruel and inhuman but it makes for shitty meat. Happy animals who roam free and eat natural diets always taste the best. We also wouldn't have problems with crazy-ass mad-cow diseases if we weren't so cheap as to feed our meat stock on itself.

I want to kill my own meat someday. My friend told me that hunting with a rifle is really lame, it's basically just a matter of sitting around and waiting for something to come nearby. I kind of want to get good at archery and hunt for real.


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Re: I eat meat [Re: Hakim0777]
    #14172919 - 03/23/11 09:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Pescatarianism ftw!



Jigga what?


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Re: I eat meat [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14172925 - 03/23/11 10:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I kind of want to get good at archery and hunt for real.




a couple of friends and i have discussed taking huge doses of psychedelics and running around in the woods naked with buck knives and hunting deer on foot.

we would never catch one, but it sounds fucking exhilarating.

and imagine if we DID catch one. that shit would be SOOOOO intense. it would be the pinnacle of my life probably, thats how intense that moment would be. not to mention the fact that i would have the best story ever.


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Re: I eat meat [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #14172931 - 03/23/11 10:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Fish only. More specifically I try to stick to shellfish.


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Re: I eat meat [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14172943 - 03/23/11 10:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Yeah, I'm a carnivore by nature. When I see a tiger or a shark moving in on its prey in nature documentaries it actually stimulates my appetite. Eating things that have been killed is a core part of how I identify myself as an animal.

That said, industrial meat production is totally fucked. Not only is it nauseatingly cruel and inhuman but it makes for shitty meat. Happy animals who roam free and eat natural diets always taste the best. We also wouldn't have problems with crazy-ass mad-cow diseases if we weren't so cheap as to feed our meat stock on itself.

I want to kill my own meat someday. My friend told me that hunting with a rifle is really lame, it's basically just a matter of sitting around and waiting for something to come nearby. I kind of want to get good at archery and hunt for real.





Don't listen to your friend all too seriously, he doesn't sound too educated on shooting a rifle. But I do agree with everything else you said.


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Re: I eat meat [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14172948 - 03/23/11 10:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I kind of want to get good at archery and hunt for real.




a couple of friends and i have discussed taking huge doses of psychedelics and running around in the woods naked with buck knives and hunting deer on foot.

we would never catch one, but it sounds fucking exhilarating.

and imagine if we DID catch one. that shit would be SOOOOO intense. it would be the pinnacle of my life probably, thats how intense that moment would be. not to mention the fact that i would have the best story ever.




Primal shit. I'd be down for something like that too. Seems like it would actually work really well if you had a background in hunting, though. According to Terence McKenna, humans originally used mushrooms to improve their night-vision for hunting, so the idea is not unprecedented.


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Re: I eat meat [Re: Strangerous]
    #14172967 - 03/23/11 10:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

My buddy used to make me this veal stuff at his mom's Italian restaurant after they were closed. Best shit ever.


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Re: I eat meat [Re: LbDub]
    #14173001 - 03/23/11 10:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Well, no matter what methods we come up with, humans just don't have the capacity to do ANYTHING quickly, efficiently, and effectively at the same rates machines do, let alone something like killing animals.

And, as I mentioned before, it takes a really soulless person to work at a slaughterhouse. At least machines don't have souls to begin with.

I bet we could even make robotic shepherds to keep track of the animals and let them roam free, yet not wander off.

Although, I support artificially grown meat (as in made via cloning or similar techniques) as a way to get away from the horrors of the current meat industry.


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Re: I eat meat [Re: Synesthetic]
    #14173025 - 03/23/11 10:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I agree that we should pursue the idea of meat grown in vats. We could make it truly perfect meat that way, too. And they'd have all flavors: beef, veal, pork, poultry, etc.

Even so, I don't know if I'd go in for it if I see it come to fruition in my lifetime. It seems unnatural to me. I guess I'm just conservative. :lol:


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Re: I eat meat [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14173042 - 03/23/11 10:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

In vitro meat can also be tweaked to be much more nutritious than the natural stuff.


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Re: I eat meat [Re: Synesthetic]
    #14173051 - 03/23/11 10:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I disagree; you don't have to be a soulless person to be a doctor/paramedic/firefighter, do you?

But yes killing an animal is tough, that's why veterinarians have one of the highest suicide risks as far as professions go.


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Re: I eat meat [Re: LbDub]
    #14173053 - 03/23/11 10:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I disagree; you don't have to be a soulless person to be a doctor/paramedic/firefighter, do you?

But yes killing an animal is tough, that's why veterinarians have one of the highest suicide risks as far as professions go.




Is that a fact? That's terrible :sad:


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Re: I eat meat [Re: LbDub]
    #14173059 - 03/23/11 10:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I disagree; you don't have to be a soulless person to be a doctor/paramedic/firefighter, do you?

But yes killing an animal is tough, that's why veterinarians have one of the highest suicide risks as far as professions go.



Wow I never heard that before.  I thought dentists were #1 in suicides.


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Re: I eat meat [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14173066 - 03/23/11 10:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

No, dentists have the abnormally high suicide rates.

And being a doctor or the like requires someone with a HUGE heart because you're dealing with other people's problems all day.

I don't understand how you can compare a slaughterhouse worker to an emergency services worker. They're nothing alike, except that they're both human.


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Re: I eat meat [Re: Synesthetic]
    #14173086 - 03/23/11 10:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I guess it's the fact that they both work with death on a daily basis, but a slaughterhouse operator does seem like he would be on the other side of the equation than an EMT.


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Re: I eat meat [Re: Synesthetic]
    #14173095 - 03/23/11 10:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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No, dentists have the abnormally high suicide rates.

And being a doctor or the like requires someone with a HUGE heart because you're dealing with other people's problems all day.

I don't understand how you can compare a slaughterhouse worker to an emergency services worker. They're nothing alike, except that they're both human.




Dentists and veterinarians both have high suicide rates. I said "one of", not "the highest". How are they nothing alike? I was mostly referring to witnessing death consistently throughout your profession.


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Re: I eat meat [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #14173104 - 03/23/11 10:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I disagree; you don't have to be a soulless person to be a doctor/paramedic/firefighter, do you?

But yes killing an animal is tough, that's why veterinarians have one of the highest suicide risks as far as professions go.



Wow I never heard that before.  I thought dentists were #1 in suicides.



I've heard psychiatrists had the highest suicide rate.


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Re: I eat meat [Re: lil_demented]
    #14173122 - 03/23/11 10:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Witnessing an act and performing an act are very different.


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Re: I eat meat [Re: lil_demented]
    #14173161 - 03/23/11 10:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I feel that the disconnect we have from our own food cycle.. the very stuff the sustains us, and probably does a lot more to our psyche than we imagine, has probably caused all sorts of problems - physically and psychologically. 

I can't help but feel, that if someone wants to eat meat, which they have every right to do so, they should know where it's come from.  Once upon a time, it was an unescapable fact - even if you weren't the hunter / killer yourself, you probably had to know the animal, see it in a much more... visual and animally way than a plastic wrapped lump of beef-mince at the store.... and it's likely you had to learn at least something of the process of keeping / killing the animal.

To me, it's a basic respect thing.  Another creature's life is gone so that yours may go on.  So, pay your respects. 

I almost feel like primary schools should have to visit abbattoirs for excursions... ha.


And, I have several times had very overwhelming feelings when tripping while camping to either hunt (kangaroos, usually), or admire.  Or both.
I don't understand why we can't both love something, and enjoy it for dinner?


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Re: I eat meat [Re: Strangerous]
    #14173236 - 03/23/11 10:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

there is literally not a hunger pang strong enough to provoke me to eat some dead animal. i am simply amazed that it's common practice to eat dead bodies and enjoy it.
i just get all kinds of creepy weird feelings just thinking about it.

for me it's beyond a choice that i make, i just cant do it :shrug:


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Re: I eat meat [Re: awakendone]
    #14173286 - 03/23/11 11:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Plants are living creatures, too, and if you ask me, a lot more noble than any animal.

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Re: I eat meat [Re: Synesthetic]
    #14173298 - 03/23/11 11:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, I agree with this. Just because plants are so different from humans people experience less guilt about killing them and eating them. :rolleyes:

The only organisms that subsist on non-living food are archaea, one of the most primitive forms of life on earth. They don't even have DNA and they suck on sulfur vents.


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Re: I eat meat [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14173311 - 03/23/11 11:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Yeah, I agree with this. Just because plants are so different from humans people experience less guilt about killing them and eating them. :rolleyes:

The only organisms that subsist on non-living food are archaea, one of the most primitive forms of life on earth. They don't even have DNA and they suck on sulfur vents.






ummmmm. i disagree with 90% all of this post. misinformation out the ass


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Re: I eat meat [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14173318 - 03/23/11 11:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

This vegetarian today told me my beef smelled like shit.

Then a meet eater walked buy and said my beef smell delicious.


Which one should i believe??


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Re: I eat meat [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14173324 - 03/23/11 11:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Ok, so I'm not totally up on my biology, thanks for correcting me - archaea DO have DNA, albeit only one chromosome. They do remain some of the most primitive life on earth, however, and do not eat living things to survive. I was just pointing out the correlation.


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Re: I eat meat [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14173332 - 03/23/11 11:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quoting Tool in an (pseudo)intellectual debate won't ever get you very far. Just sayin'.


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    #14173335 - 03/23/11 11:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: I eat meat [Re: Synesthetic]
    #14173361 - 03/23/11 11:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Plants are living creatures, too, and if you ask me, a lot more noble than any animal.

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Im not claiming one is better than the other, that wasnt the point. I just have an obsessive repulsion when it comes to eating meat. I dont have a choice in the matter.


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Re: I eat meat [Re: LbDub]
    #14173368 - 03/23/11 11:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Quoting Tool in an (pseudo)intellectual debate won't ever get you very far. Just sayin'.




While I agree that quoting Tool won't get you far in an intellectual debate, it's basically like warp-drive for pseudointellectual debate.


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Re: I eat meat [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14173389 - 03/23/11 11:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:rolleyes:

Quoting anything as the ultimate argument ender is fallacious.

I quoted it because it seemed fitting.

Anyway, having a genuine repulsion about eating meat is a valid reason not to eat it. If you don't want something else to suffer so you can live, you can always stop eating completely and hope we perfect in vitro food before you starve to death.


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