|
learningtofly
Ancient Aliens



Registered: 05/21/07
Posts: 15,105
Loc: Out of this world
Last seen: 12 years, 5 months
|
Interesting study I came across about rap music 2
#14172477 - 03/23/11 08:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
http://www.gwu.edu/~soc/docs/Kubrin_gangstas.pdf
Quote:
Rap music does not exist in a cultural vacuum; rather it expresses the cultural crossing, mixing, and engagement of black youth culture with the values, attitudes, and concerns of the white majority. Many of the violent (and patriarchical, materialistic, sexist, etc.) ways of thinking that are glorified in gangsta rap are a reflection of the prevailing values created and sustained in the larger society.
We all probably know someone who states that rap music is terrible because it's violent, materialistic, sexist, etc. and because of that reason, they dislike it, yet don't question the values of the dominant society. Quite interesting Looked at in this context, gangsta rap is just a more in-your-face version of US values.
--------------------
|
Le_Canard
The Duk Abides


Registered: 05/16/03
Posts: 94,392
Loc: Earthfarm 1
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: learningtofly] 1
#14172510 - 03/23/11 08:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
I would hesitate to call it "music".
|
RonaldFuckingPaul
Our Dear Leader



Registered: 10/31/07
Posts: 13,617
Loc: Straight Outta Compton
Last seen: 9 years, 5 months
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Le_Canard]
#14172522 - 03/23/11 08:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
ToiletDuk said: I would hesitate to call it "music". 
--------------------
|
Hakim0777
aka RACKBONE!!!




Registered: 08/25/06
Posts: 8,071
Loc: PNW
Last seen: 1 year, 3 months
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
#14172593 - 03/23/11 08:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Makes sense I guess. Thats probably why rap music sucks these days. Conflicting satements in songs. Its kinda hard to rap about tryna stay alive and killin niggas when you dont have to resort to that.
notice when a rapper gets rich they still try to act like that because its what they are supposed to do, thats what all rappers do right? Where as I could see even successful rappers of the 80s and 90s still rapping about hood shit cause they still hood. It aint like that anymore.
--------------------
|
thelivingfreekshow
Fuck You



Registered: 02/07/11
Posts: 2,043
Loc: Prifddinas, Gielinor
Last seen: 5 years, 1 month
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Hakim0777] 5
#14172618 - 03/23/11 09:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
A Freestyle Rap battle translated for white people
|
Samuel L Jackson
Bad Motherfucker


Registered: 12/10/09
Posts: 8,393
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Hakim0777]
#14172635 - 03/23/11 09:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Hakim0777 said: notice when a rapper gets rich they still try to act like that because its what they are supposed to do, thats what all rappers do right? Where as I could see even successful rappers of the 80s and 90s still rapping about hood shit cause they still hood. It aint like that anymore.
i know a guy who raps, and even has a few songs on itunes; and when we were talkin about his rap once he was telling me to not take what he says seriously because you have to put on a front to sell shit.
but he wouldnt have had to tell me that, just from knowing him i would have known that what he said was bullshit. 
all the dumb girls love it though. theyre like flies to shit. (not to compare my friend to shit, but thats a nice phrase to describe it)
--------------------
|
Le_Canard
The Duk Abides


Registered: 05/16/03
Posts: 94,392
Loc: Earthfarm 1
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
#14172653 - 03/23/11 09:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
reeferaddict69 said:
Quote:
ToiletDuk said: I would hesitate to call it "music". 
No, just no....
|
Hakim0777
aka RACKBONE!!!




Registered: 08/25/06
Posts: 8,071
Loc: PNW
Last seen: 1 year, 3 months
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
#14172672 - 03/23/11 09:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
SamuelLJackson said:
Quote:
Hakim0777 said: notice when a rapper gets rich they still try to act like that because its what they are supposed to do, thats what all rappers do right? Where as I could see even successful rappers of the 80s and 90s still rapping about hood shit cause they still hood. It aint like that anymore.
i know a guy who raps, and even has a few songs on itunes; and when we were talkin about his rap once he was telling me to not take what he says seriously because you have to put on a front to sell shit.
but he wouldnt have had to tell me that, just from knowing him i would have known that what he said was bullshit. 
all the dumb girls love it though. theyre like flies to shit. (not to compare my friend to shit, but thats a nice phrase to describe it)
my point exactly but back in the day some of them were some hard as nails pipe hittin niggas man.
They used to be some hard ass dudes man, some of em got that 1000 yard stare ya know?
--------------------
|
B.Frank
Stranger
Registered: 11/14/09
Posts: 310
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: learningtofly]
#14172895 - 03/23/11 09:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Yeah, rap music is reflection of the modern ghetto experience. Rappers are talking about what they know, what they feel. Or at least that was the case. After Biggie and Pac got killed off, rap was hijacked.
Record companies saw an enormous potential for money making and cultural influence in rap. It was moved out the underground, into the mainstream, and artists became creatively constrained as executives turned to the old pop formula.
|
twighead
mͯó



Registered: 08/27/08
Posts: 29,562
Loc: Glenn Gould's Fuck Windmill
Last seen: 2 hours, 2 minutes
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: B.Frank]
#14173020 - 03/23/11 10:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
That's how I likes my rap 
None of that money and bitches trash.
|
Ouija



Registered: 07/29/10
Posts: 297
Loc: Pacific North West
Last seen: 10 years, 3 months
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Hakim0777]
#14173860 - 03/24/11 01:41 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Hakim0777 said:
my point exactly but back in the day some of them were some hard as nails pipe hittin niggas man.
They used to be some hard ass dudes man, some of em got that 1000 yard stare ya know?
Hell yes Wu-Tang forever. GZA has consistently put out excellent albums, Liquid Swords 1995 Beneath The Surface 1999 Legend of the Liquid Sword 2002 Pro Tools 2009
Alphabets off his most recent Pro tools:
Also Nas has been coming out with some good stuff lately:
|
DeadHearts


Registered: 07/17/09
Posts: 21,827
Loc: MICHIGAN
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: learningtofly]
#14173865 - 03/24/11 01:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Heres a study for you....
"It fucking sucks"
-Deadhearts
|
starfire_xes
I Am 'They'



Registered: 10/24/09
Posts: 21,590
Loc: Dallas with all the assho...
Last seen: 7 months, 2 days
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: learningtofly]
#14173966 - 03/24/11 02:37 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
If i was 18, I think I could say curse words and and speak about stupid bitches and stuff, while a drum machine played. Wow, thats music.
--------------------
    [/url] [/url]
IF THE NEIGHBORS COMPLAIN BECAUSE THE MUSIC'S TOO LOUD, TURN IT UP SO YOU CAN'T HEAR THEM BITCH
|
alcoholocaust
Trip Daily



Registered: 03/22/11
Posts: 701
Loc: Lat: 39.12 Lon: -95.6
Last seen: 10 years, 1 month
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: starfire_xes]
#14174860 - 03/24/11 09:46 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
i dont think rap is music. i think the beat behind the poem is music. the rapper is dr suess to a book that already has pictures
--------------------
I dont like cocaine.... Just the smell of it
|
Sprezzatura
Virtuoso


Registered: 10/01/09
Posts: 2,637
Loc: On the Atlantic Ocean
Last seen: 11 years, 4 months
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Hakim0777] 1
#14174899 - 03/24/11 09:55 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Dude, WTF? haha
-------------------- Spectaculorum procedere debet
|
Olympus Mons
esprit de l'univers

Registered: 09/15/09
Posts: 5,777
Loc: ∞
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: learningtofly]
#14174905 - 03/24/11 09:56 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
learningtofly said: http://www.gwu.edu/~soc/docs/Kubrin_gangstas.pdf
Quote:
Rap music does not exist in a cultural vacuum; rather it expresses the cultural crossing, mixing, and engagement of black youth culture with the values, attitudes, and concerns of the white majority. Many of the violent (and patriarchical, materialistic, sexist, etc.) ways of thinking that are glorified in gangsta rap are a reflection of the prevailing values created and sustained in the larger society.
We all probably know someone who states that rap music is terrible because it's violent, materialistic, sexist, etc. and because of that reason, they dislike it, yet don't question the values of the dominant society. Quite interesting Looked at in this context, gangsta rap is just a more in-your-face version of US values.
that's how it's meant to be listened to. Rap has always been an artform, just because people fail to see it's importance and influence doesnt mean it isnt a good thing. People just arent willing to examine it in the way that you would examine monet because it isnt always as pretty.
--------------------
I close my eyes and seize it I clench my fists and beat it I light my torch and burn it I am the beast I worship....
|
akira_akuma
Φύσις κρύπτεσθαι ὕψιστος φιλεῖ


Registered: 08/28/09
Posts: 82,455
Loc: Onypeirophóros
Last seen: 4 years, 1 month
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: twighead]
#14174919 - 03/24/11 10:00 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
twighead said:
That's how I likes my rap 
None of that money and bitches trash.
rap music that is what it is.
aside form this post and the OP, nothing in this thread is what it is...
just make-believe.
|
Sprezzatura
Virtuoso


Registered: 10/01/09
Posts: 2,637
Loc: On the Atlantic Ocean
Last seen: 11 years, 4 months
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: learningtofly]
#14174922 - 03/24/11 10:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
oh, and you're saying blacks are trying to be like the rich billionaires in society but exhibit it in extremity?
Makes sense in some cases. If my ancestral line was largely primitive tent dwellers and were only civilized for a couple hundred years, I suppose I, too, would want to evolve as quickly as possible by acquiring women of genetic superiority and lifestyles in diametric opposition to my ancestors.
-------------------- Spectaculorum procedere debet
|
Mycotopiotic



Registered: 08/18/10
Posts: 67
Loc: over the edge
Last seen: 4 years, 1 month
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Hakim0777]
#14174975 - 03/24/11 10:15 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
lmao ODB is awesome, but nobody's mentioned immortal technique or dead prez yet? :/ them niggas keeps it real.
-------------------- When can I take you from this place? When is the word but a sigh? When is death our lone beholder? When would we walk the final steps? When can we scream instead of whisper? When is the new beginning, and the end of this sad Madrigal
|
Sprezzatura
Virtuoso


Registered: 10/01/09
Posts: 2,637
Loc: On the Atlantic Ocean
Last seen: 11 years, 4 months
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Mycotopiotic]
#14174981 - 03/24/11 10:17 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
bwahahahahaha "dead prez" *continues laughing*
-------------------- Spectaculorum procedere debet
|
bbl337
genetic material is Ar based



Registered: 02/12/09
Posts: 7,008
Last seen: 9 years, 20 days
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Sprezzatura]
#14174986 - 03/24/11 10:20 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Sprezzatura said: Dude, WTF? haha

i tried reading this thread, and was mainly distracted by the weird signatures
--------------------
|
Mycotopiotic



Registered: 08/18/10
Posts: 67
Loc: over the edge
Last seen: 4 years, 1 month
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Sprezzatura]
#14175025 - 03/24/11 10:32 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
k?
-------------------- When can I take you from this place? When is the word but a sigh? When is death our lone beholder? When would we walk the final steps? When can we scream instead of whisper? When is the new beginning, and the end of this sad Madrigal
|
Ima Trooper
Chilldog Extraordinaire



Registered: 02/21/08
Posts: 13,533
Loc: United States
Last seen: 4 days, 26 minutes
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: bbl337]
#14175038 - 03/24/11 10:35 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
I think everyone is entitled to their opinion, and my two cents is that the style of rap that is popular right now, AKA "Club Hits" is not worth listening to. I can't stand listening to the rap stations we have here, but not all rap music is shallow and made specifically for money.
I think (hope) that soon everyone who listens will realize that and will start to support real artists, not some slick production with autotune made for shakin your ass in the club.
-------------------- "Its moving of its own accord...and I like that in a shirt!" - Me, tripping. deCypher said: Schizophrenia beats dining alone, you know.
|
Hakim0777
aka RACKBONE!!!




Registered: 08/25/06
Posts: 8,071
Loc: PNW
Last seen: 1 year, 3 months
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Ima Trooper]
#14175100 - 03/24/11 10:55 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
akira_akuma said:
Quote:
twighead said:
That's how I likes my rap 
None of that money and bitches trash.
rap music that is what it is.
aside form this post and the OP, nothing in this thread is what it is...
just make-believe.

Quote:
Ima Trooper said: I think everyone is entitled to their opinion, and my two cents is that the style of rap that is popular right now, AKA "Club Hits" is not worth listening to. I can't stand listening to the rap stations we have here, but not all rap music is shallow and made specifically for money.
I think (hope) that soon everyone who listens will realize that and will start to support real artists, not some slick production with autotune made for shakin your ass in the club.
but shaking your ass is fun as hell. One of my fears of aging is one day being hella old and thinking..."man, I didnt freak dance enough in my life"
FUCK THAT.
--------------------
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Hakim0777]
#14175116 - 03/24/11 10:59 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
akira_akuma
Φύσις κρύπτεσθαι ὕψιστος φιλεῖ


Registered: 08/28/09
Posts: 82,455
Loc: Onypeirophóros
Last seen: 4 years, 1 month
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14175166 - 03/24/11 11:09 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
muthafuckers just don't understand me.
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: akira_akuma]
#14175182 - 03/24/11 11:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Muthafuckin' muthafuckers...
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
AaronEruditus
Enthusiast



Registered: 11/21/10
Posts: 165
Loc: Ottawa, ON, Canada
Last seen: 7 years, 2 months
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Le_Canard]
#14175592 - 03/24/11 12:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
ToiletDuk said: I would hesitate to call it "music". 
Well then, kind sir, would you bother to explain what exactly 'music' is, you seem to have a vast knowledge of it.
I'm tired of hearing people complain about how "rap sux" and "it's not even music dood." Just because you don't understand this particular urban language does not make it any less creative/rhythmic.
To me, music is self-expression in a creative manner. Creativity, to me, is a complex thought pattern which is outside of our ordinary realm of thinking.
To say Hip Hop (that's what I like to call it, HIP HOP) is not music is just a foolish statement. I know metal-heads love to throw it around a lot.
If an artist gets my neurotransmitters cooking, then he/she IS a musician, IMO.
What I appreciate about Hip Hop is the clarity of self-expression. When artists are trying to get a certain point across, the mostly vague poetry found in rock, metal, blues, etc. does not even come close to the lyrical dexterity some MCs are able to showcase. NOT EVEN CLOSE!
I appreciate all kinds of music, from Hip Hop to Metal, from Psytrance to Classical music, from Blues to Soul; Techno, Trance, House, Easy Listening are all great too.
What I find stands out in Hip Hop is the various elemets that make up this genre.
-Battle rap, which has an element of humour in it, able to make people 'laugh out loud', literally.
There was TOOOO many to choose from, so I hope this'll work: Big L - 98 Freestyle
-Story-telling. Skilled MCs at this certain aspect will take the listener INTO the story, making them wait patiently for every proceeding bar to know exactly how it continues. Personally one of my favourite stories by one of the greatest storytellers: Biggie - Suicidal Thoughts
AND
NaS - I Gave You Power
-Metaphysics. For you who enjoy philosophy and what not, there are PLENTY of MCs who will get you thinking about everyday situations in a philosophic manner. This next song is from my favourite (and IMO the Greatest of All Time) MC: Canibus - Poet Laureate II
-Dance. Yep, Hip Hop is great to dance to, just depends on what kind. This particular song is STILL a club banger, depending on location: Biggie - Hyponotize
-Politics. There's many MCs who have made it their 'mission' to use their skills and lyrical abilities to express how they feel about the Government and Conspiracy Theories. Keep in mind, these are just that, THEORIES. I doesn't mean that the artist 100%, absolutely believes in them: Canibus - The Grand Deception
-Braggadocio. Basically, this is bragging and boasting about how one is better than the other. When creative, one of my personal aspects of Hip Hop. Canibus - The C-Quel
AND
Chino XL - Let 'Em Live (feat. Kool G Rap)
-Flow. There's nothing smoother than when an MC seems to just flow with, and staying on the beat, like a little boat floating across the ocean. This piece I could've listed anywhere under battle rap, braggadicio, OR, flow: Big Pun - Dream Shatterer
AND
Biggie - Unbelievable
Last on this list, but certainly not least: -BEEF! Whenever two artists have a certain 'beef' with each other, and they solve it ON wax (which means through songs, rather than resorting to physical violence, well, it's just 'epic'. NaS - Ether
AND
Canibus - 2nd Round Knockout
Just to get things straight, I don't listen to ANY mainstream music, much less mainstream "Hip Hop". What you hear in the radio and the Top 40 does NOT, IN ANY WAY, make the REAL Hip Hop any justice. It's pathetic to see what type of clowns get labeled as MCs and Rappers today.
I MC myself, so when I hear people claiming that Hip Hop "is not music" I get very defensive. It's because I KNOW how complex a thought pattern can get, and that's why I appreciate it. Two of my best friends are Hendrix fans, and both play the guitar. Personally, I love listening to Hendrix, he's amazing. However, I will NEVER be able to enjoy him as much as them, as they understand exactly how difficult it is to play like Jimi. I mean, his solos and ability on the guitar does sounds complex to me, but I will never understand it to it's full extent.
That's it for my 'rant'. Hope you guys can check some of the links out and maybe change your mind about the REAL Hip Hop.
Cheers
Love and Peace
AE
-------------------- “Science is always discovering odd scraps of magical wisdom and making a tremendous fuss about its cleverness.” ~ Aleister Crowley “Self-importance is our greatest enemy. Think about it - what weakens us, is feeling offended by the deeds and misdeeds of our fellowmen. Our self-importance requires that we spend most of our lives offended by someone.” ~ Don Juan Matus
|
AaronEruditus
Enthusiast



Registered: 11/21/10
Posts: 165
Loc: Ottawa, ON, Canada
Last seen: 7 years, 2 months
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: AaronEruditus]
#14175676 - 03/24/11 12:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Oh, and Toilet Duk, I'm waiting for you to answer my question btw
-------------------- “Science is always discovering odd scraps of magical wisdom and making a tremendous fuss about its cleverness.” ~ Aleister Crowley “Self-importance is our greatest enemy. Think about it - what weakens us, is feeling offended by the deeds and misdeeds of our fellowmen. Our self-importance requires that we spend most of our lives offended by someone.” ~ Don Juan Matus
|
Ouija



Registered: 07/29/10
Posts: 297
Loc: Pacific North West
Last seen: 10 years, 3 months
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: AaronEruditus]
#14176201 - 03/24/11 02:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
I'm betting the majority of people who say "rap isn't music" have never heard good rap & only are exposed to what radio stations play / what's on tv (pfft). Hip Hop, like every genre of music is an acquired taste, in my opinion. And like most genres it takes a bit of digging to find the best it has to offer.
How can you say this isn't music?
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Ouija]
#14176314 - 03/24/11 02:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
I think it's hilarious that white people are into rap.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
twighead
mͯó



Registered: 08/27/08
Posts: 29,562
Loc: Glenn Gould's Fuck Windmill
Last seen: 2 hours, 2 minutes
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14176324 - 03/24/11 02:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Why would race matter?
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: twighead]
#14176364 - 03/24/11 03:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Because you do not experience life in the same way as they do--it would be like me trying to relate to a Muslim. Total hilarity.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
Ima Trooper
Chilldog Extraordinaire



Registered: 02/21/08
Posts: 13,533
Loc: United States
Last seen: 4 days, 26 minutes
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid] 1
#14176418 - 03/24/11 03:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Wow. Thats some racist shit right there. -5 for you buddy.
-------------------- "Its moving of its own accord...and I like that in a shirt!" - Me, tripping. deCypher said: Schizophrenia beats dining alone, you know.
|
Ima Trooper
Chilldog Extraordinaire



Registered: 02/21/08
Posts: 13,533
Loc: United States
Last seen: 4 days, 26 minutes
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14176436 - 03/24/11 03:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
lol well apparently I have already rated you a 0. Nothing like a little validation.
-------------------- "Its moving of its own accord...and I like that in a shirt!" - Me, tripping. deCypher said: Schizophrenia beats dining alone, you know.
|
RonaldFuckingPaul
Our Dear Leader



Registered: 10/31/07
Posts: 13,617
Loc: Straight Outta Compton
Last seen: 9 years, 5 months
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14176440 - 03/24/11 03:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Poid said: Because you do not experience life in the same way as they do--it would be like me trying to relate to a Muslim. Total hilarity. 
poid....
--------------------
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
#14176453 - 03/24/11 03:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
How is that racist? 
None of you people grew up in the ghetto, you have no fucking idea what that kind of life is like. I grew up in a town that was at one point the murder capital of the country; I've been through lots of trying times, and I still don't listen to that garbage. This is why I find it hilarious--from my perspective, White people who never grew up in such circumstances and who listen to rap are complete fakes. This isn't just limited to white people, though, anybody who listens to that shit and who isn't from a similar background is retarded.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
Edited by Poid (03/24/11 03:16 PM)
|
Ima Trooper
Chilldog Extraordinaire



Registered: 02/21/08
Posts: 13,533
Loc: United States
Last seen: 4 days, 26 minutes
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14176459 - 03/24/11 03:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Poid said: How is that racist? 
Its racist because you're assuming that all black people are raised in the ghetto slangin rocks.
-------------------- "Its moving of its own accord...and I like that in a shirt!" - Me, tripping. deCypher said: Schizophrenia beats dining alone, you know.
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14176477 - 03/24/11 03:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Poid said: None of you people grew up in the ghetto, you have no fucking idea what that kind of life is like. I grew up in a town that was at one point the murder capital of the country, had lived there for most of my life; I've been through lots of trying times, and I still don't listen to that garbage. This is why I find it hilarious--from my perspective, White people who never grew up in such circumstances and who listen to rap are complete fakes. This isn't just limited to white people, though, anybody who listens to that shit and who isn't from a similar background is retarded.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Ima Trooper]
#14176481 - 03/24/11 03:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Ima Trooper said:
Quote:
Poid said: How is that racist? 
Its racist because you're assuming that all black people are raised in the ghetto slangin rocks.
I'm not assuming this, but anybody who creates that style of music and isn't from an impoverished background is a stupid fag. That shit is retarded on so many levels, Tupac would roll over in his fucking grave.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
B.Frank
Stranger
Registered: 11/14/09
Posts: 310
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14176495 - 03/24/11 03:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Poid said: How is that racist? 
None of you people grew up in the ghetto, you have no fucking idea what that kind of life is like. I grew up in a town that was at one point the murder capital of the country; I've been through lots of trying times, and I still don't listen to that garbage. This is why I find it hilarious--from my perspective, White people who never grew up in such circumstances and who listen to rap are complete fakes. This isn't just limited to white people, though, anybody who listens to that shit and who isn't from a similar background is retarded.
So you think it is "retarded" to try to relate to people from a different background and to appreciate different cultures and point of views?
|
Ima Trooper
Chilldog Extraordinaire



Registered: 02/21/08
Posts: 13,533
Loc: United States
Last seen: 4 days, 26 minutes
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14176499 - 03/24/11 03:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Poid said:
Quote:
Poid said: None of you people grew up in the ghetto, you have no fucking idea what that kind of life is like. I grew up in a town that was at one point the murder capital of the country, had lived there for most of my life; I've been through lots of trying times, and I still don't listen to that garbage. This is why I find it hilarious--from my perspective, White people who never grew up in such circumstances and who listen to rap are complete fakes. This isn't just limited to white people, though, anybody who listens to that shit and who isn't from a similar background is retarded.
Jesus, its too bad you haven't gotten hit by a truck yet.
-------------------- "Its moving of its own accord...and I like that in a shirt!" - Me, tripping. deCypher said: Schizophrenia beats dining alone, you know.
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Ima Trooper]
#14176513 - 03/24/11 03:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
B.Frank said:
Quote:
Poid said: How is that racist? 
None of you people grew up in the ghetto, you have no fucking idea what that kind of life is like. I grew up in a town that was at one point the murder capital of the country; I've been through lots of trying times, and I still don't listen to that garbage. This is why I find it hilarious--from my perspective, White people who never grew up in such circumstances and who listen to rap are complete fakes. This isn't just limited to white people, though, anybody who listens to that shit and who isn't from a similar background is retarded.
So you think it is "retarded" to try to relate to people from a different background and to appreciate different cultures and point of views?
No, I think it's retarded for rich kids to try to relate to poor people; if you can't understand how poor people perceive this kind of behavior, then you have no room to talk.
Quote:
Ima Trooper said:
Quote:
Poid said:
Quote:
Poid said: None of you people grew up in the ghetto, you have no fucking idea what that kind of life is like. I grew up in a town that was at one point the murder capital of the country, had lived there for most of my life; I've been through lots of trying times, and I still don't listen to that garbage. This is why I find it hilarious--from my perspective, White people who never grew up in such circumstances and who listen to rap are complete fakes. This isn't just limited to white people, though, anybody who listens to that shit and who isn't from a similar background is retarded.
Jesus, its too bad you haven't gotten hit by a truck yet.
Do you listen to rap?
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
Ima Trooper
Chilldog Extraordinaire



Registered: 02/21/08
Posts: 13,533
Loc: United States
Last seen: 4 days, 26 minutes
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14176531 - 03/24/11 03:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
How do you know I haven't lived in the ghetto? I like how you just assume that since I'm white I'm some rich college kid who's worst day involves getting turned away from the frat party.
-------------------- "Its moving of its own accord...and I like that in a shirt!" - Me, tripping. deCypher said: Schizophrenia beats dining alone, you know.
|
twighead
mͯó



Registered: 08/27/08
Posts: 29,562
Loc: Glenn Gould's Fuck Windmill
Last seen: 2 hours, 2 minutes
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14176539 - 03/24/11 03:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Who says rap has to be about the ghetto and all that stuff?
And regardless - its just someone telling a story... should you stop reading a lord of the rings book because you don't know what its like to be a hobbit living in fear of marauding orcs and evil rings and shit?
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: twighead]
#14176573 - 03/24/11 03:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Ima Trooper said: How do you know I haven't lived in the ghetto? I like how you just assume that since I'm white I'm some rich college kid who's worst day involves getting turned away from the frat party.
Oh I can tell. Well, you actually kind of suck at spelling so maybe you are from there. 
But seriously, if you were, you would not be antagonizing me in the least, and you would relate to my perspective. Or at least be somewhat sympathetic...
Quote:
twighead said: Who says rap has to be about the ghetto and all that stuff?
Alright, so you're gonna steal another culture's style and pawn it off as your own shit? See, this is why it's fucking ridiculous--there is such a lack in culture that you have to steal it from people whom are less fortunate than you. It's fucking sad.
Or hilarious, whichever way you look at it.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
twighead
mͯó



Registered: 08/27/08
Posts: 29,562
Loc: Glenn Gould's Fuck Windmill
Last seen: 2 hours, 2 minutes
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14176587 - 03/24/11 03:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Whaa?.. its a genre of music - would it be stealing if a black dude made a symphony? Because it is white man culture?
|
Ima Trooper
Chilldog Extraordinaire



Registered: 02/21/08
Posts: 13,533
Loc: United States
Last seen: 4 days, 26 minutes
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14176589 - 03/24/11 03:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Poid said:
Quote:
Ima Trooper said: How do you know I haven't lived in the ghetto? I like how you just assume that since I'm white I'm some rich college kid who's worst day involves getting turned away from the frat party.
Oh I can tell. Well, you actually kind of suck at spelling so maybe you are from there. 
But seriously, if you were, you would not be antagonizing me in the least, and you would relate to my perspective.
I guess I just can't see things from your perspective, seeing as how I can't get my head that far up my own ass.
-------------------- "Its moving of its own accord...and I like that in a shirt!" - Me, tripping. deCypher said: Schizophrenia beats dining alone, you know.
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: twighead]
#14176613 - 03/24/11 03:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
twighead said: Whaa?.. its a genre of music - would it be stealing if a black dude made a symphony?
Rap music started as a way for poor people to express their disdain for their position in life, it's not simply a style of music, it's also a style of poetry. If a black guy became a beatnik, then yes, he would be stealing from another culture.
Using musical instruments is different than spoken poetry--music is just successive tones, while poetry is, for lack of a better, less gh3y phrase, "speaking from the heart"
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
Grapefruit
Freak in the forest


Registered: 05/09/08
Posts: 5,744
Last seen: 3 years, 1 month
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid] 1
#14176623 - 03/24/11 03:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
White people who never grew up in such circumstances and who listen to rap are complete fakes. This isn't just limited to white people, though, anybody who listens to that shit and who isn't from a similar background is retarded.
This is like saying people who grew up at a different time to when they blues or the folk era any other era when there was strife can't listen to that music. Makes no sense. Creative music is good to listen too regardless of subject matter or style, unless of course you don't like the subject matter or style.
-------------------- Little left in the way of energy; or the way of love, yet happy to entertain myself playing mental games with the rest of you freaks until the rivers run backwards. "Chat your fraff Chat your fraff Just chat your fraff Chat your fraff"
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Ima Trooper]
#14176631 - 03/24/11 03:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Ima Trooper said:
Quote:
Poid said:
Quote:
Ima Trooper said: How do you know I haven't lived in the ghetto? I like how you just assume that since I'm white I'm some rich college kid who's worst day involves getting turned away from the frat party.
Oh I can tell. Well, you actually kind of suck at spelling so maybe you are from there. 
But seriously, if you were, you would not be antagonizing me in the least, and you would relate to my perspective.
I guess I just can't see things from your perspective, seeing as how I can't get my head that far up my own ass.
Wow, my perspective is indicative of me having my head up my ass? I like how you haven't mentioned whether or not you're from the ghetto. You don't seem like a person who is from there at all, I've never met a person from a ghetto who insults people in that manner.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
AsAboveSoBelow
The matrix has you


Registered: 02/06/08
Posts: 2,515
Last seen: 12 years, 3 months
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Grapefruit]
#14176650 - 03/24/11 03:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
i wish I was in my 20s during the 1970s.. no cell phones, no rap, and no bass rattling cars
--------------------
You're gonna get hurt real bad They that sow the wind, shall reap the whirlwind
|
twighead
mͯó



Registered: 08/27/08
Posts: 29,562
Loc: Glenn Gould's Fuck Windmill
Last seen: 2 hours, 2 minutes
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14176652 - 03/24/11 03:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
I'll have to disagree... Playing a musical instrument is far more emotionally entwining than rapping or poetry for me.
Music is no more just successive tones than a rap is just rhyming words.
Personally I don't give a fuck what race or what background anyone in music comes from that isn't what matters - its the music that matters. It doesn't matter how a genre started, or who started - none of that is a consideration.
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Grapefruit]
#14176655 - 03/24/11 03:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Grapefruit said:
Quote:
White people who never grew up in such circumstances and who listen to rap are complete fakes. This isn't just limited to white people, though, anybody who listens to that shit and who isn't from a similar background is retarded.
This is like saying people who grew up at a different time to when they blues or the folk era any other era when there was strife can't listen to that music. Makes no sense. 
It's nothing like saying that--Blacks obviously experience life much differently in this society than Whites. Sure, much overt racism is mostly gone these days, but it still exists in subtle forms--or at least, it is perceived that way by them (and by me). By being White, you have absolutely no idea what it's like to not be white in a predominantly white society. To try to relate to people whom you obviously have no relation to is silly--it's basically hero-worship, I know you know a lot about that. 
Quote:
Grapefruit said: Creative music is good to listen too regardless of subject matter or style, unless of course you don't like the subject matter or style.
I'm more talking about rich Whites who try to live out and/or emulate the "ghetto" lifestyle; I know I implied initially that I think it's hilarious that White people listen to rap, but I wasn't being precise when I said that.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
Ima Trooper
Chilldog Extraordinaire



Registered: 02/21/08
Posts: 13,533
Loc: United States
Last seen: 4 days, 26 minutes
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14176668 - 03/24/11 03:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Poid said:
Quote:
Ima Trooper said:
Quote:
Poid said:
Quote:
Ima Trooper said: How do you know I haven't lived in the ghetto? I like how you just assume that since I'm white I'm some rich college kid who's worst day involves getting turned away from the frat party.
Oh I can tell. Well, you actually kind of suck at spelling so maybe you are from there. 
But seriously, if you were, you would not be antagonizing me in the least, and you would relate to my perspective.
I guess I just can't see things from your perspective, seeing as how I can't get my head that far up my own ass.
Wow, my perspective is indicative of me having my head up my ass? I like how you haven't mentioned whether or not you're from the ghetto. You don't seem like a person who is from there at all, I've never met a person from a ghetto who insults people in that manner. 
Yeah I lived in the ghetto in Tucson, AZ. Every night you'd hear gunshots going off in the complex, new pools of blood on the sidewalks every morning. Same place where my car was broken into and the cd player stolen in the middle of the parking lot in broad daylight. I've hung and dealt in some bad areas, places where you don't go if you don't have a piece tucked on you, its just dumb luck I've never had to shoot or be shot.
I don't have shit to prove to a little internet bitch like you.
-------------------- "Its moving of its own accord...and I like that in a shirt!" - Me, tripping. deCypher said: Schizophrenia beats dining alone, you know.
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: twighead]
#14176689 - 03/24/11 03:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
twighead said: I'll have to disagree... Playing a musical instrument is far more emotionally entwining than rapping or poetry for me.
I never made any point to the contrary, & I don't see the particular relevance of this statement to what I said--musical tonations elicit different kinds of emotions than the spoken-word, though.
Quote:
twighead said: It doesn't matter how a genre started, or who started - none of that is a consideration.
Then I guess you don't fully appreciate it. 
Another reason why it's sad/hilarious; I dunno about you, but I like to understand the art I appreciate as fully as possible. This means studying its history, the people who made it, what it means, etc...
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Ima Trooper]
#14176708 - 03/24/11 03:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Ima Trooper said: Yeah I lived in the ghetto in Tucson, AZ. Every night you'd hear gunshots going off in the complex, new pools of blood on the sidewalks every morning. Same place where my car was broken into and the cd player stolen in the middle of the parking lot in broad daylight. I've hung and dealt in some bad areas, places where you don't go if you don't have a piece tucked on you, its just dumb luck I've never had to shoot or be shot.
I don't have shit to prove to a little internet bitch like you.
This isn't a contest, man, why do you see it as "having to prove something"? Are you just incapable of having a civil discussion? Apparently so...
How long did you live there, 5 years? Less?
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
Hakim0777
aka RACKBONE!!!




Registered: 08/25/06
Posts: 8,071
Loc: PNW
Last seen: 1 year, 3 months
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14176709 - 03/24/11 03:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Poid said:
Quote:
twighead said: Whaa?.. its a genre of music - would it be stealing if a black dude made a symphony?
Rap music started as a way for poor people to express their disdain for their position in life, it's not simply a style of music, it's also a style of poetry. If a black guy became a beatnik, then yes, he would be stealing from another culture.
Using musical instruments is different than spoken poetry--music is just successive tones, while poetry is, for lack of a better, less gh3y phrase, "speaking from the heart"
except the fact that beatniks were emulating blacks lol.
You sir, have no idea what your talking about.
--------------------
|
Grapefruit
Freak in the forest


Registered: 05/09/08
Posts: 5,744
Last seen: 3 years, 1 month
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14176717 - 03/24/11 03:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Well I do actually know what you mean. You're talking about those people who don't listen to anything other than ghetto music and aren't from the ghetto and realte to it. Still it doesn't mean a white guy can't enjoy music that comes from that cultural background. It's even plausible that someone could just prefer the music without worshipping that way of life.
Anyway you can't get more middle class than this in rap. Not a big fan but LOL!
"Wish I'd pretended my parents were dead to me but I love my dad that motherfucker read to me!"
-------------------- Little left in the way of energy; or the way of love, yet happy to entertain myself playing mental games with the rest of you freaks until the rivers run backwards. "Chat your fraff Chat your fraff Just chat your fraff Chat your fraff"
|
Devlish2
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Registered: 12/06/06
Posts: 3,641
Loc: The Astral Realm 16,376AD
Last seen: 11 years, 1 month
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14176720 - 03/24/11 03:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Fuck any rapper who ain't Kool Keith.
-------------------- [ ] Space is the place
Edited by Devlish2 (03/24/11 03:54 PM)
|
twighead
mͯó



Registered: 08/27/08
Posts: 29,562
Loc: Glenn Gould's Fuck Windmill
Last seen: 2 hours, 2 minutes
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14176728 - 03/24/11 03:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Poid said:
Quote:
twighead said: It doesn't matter how a genre started, or who started - none of that is a consideration.
Then I guess you don't fully appreciate it. 
Another reason why it's sad/hilarious.
Maybe I don't fully appreciate but who cares like I said earlier - 'regardless - its just someone telling a story... should you stop reading a lord of the rings book because you don't know what its like to be a hobbit living in fear of marauding orcs and evil rings and shit? '
I don't really listen to rap (besides del tha funkee homosapien..) so whatever.
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Hakim0777]
#14176742 - 03/24/11 03:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Hakim0777 said:
Quote:
Poid said:
Quote:
twighead said: Whaa?.. its a genre of music - would it be stealing if a black dude made a symphony?
Rap music started as a way for poor people to express their disdain for their position in life, it's not simply a style of music, it's also a style of poetry. If a black guy became a beatnik, then yes, he would be stealing from another culture.
Using musical instruments is different than spoken poetry--music is just successive tones, while poetry is, for lack of a better, less gh3y phrase, "speaking from the heart"
except the fact that beatniks were emulating blacks lol.
You sir, have no idea what your talking about.
I didn't know that, I thought beatniks were those odd poets from the 50's-60's.
Beatnik - Wikipedia
Quote:
Kerouac introduced the phrase "Beat Generation" in 1948, generalizing from his social circle to characterize the underground, anti-conformist youth gathering in New York at that time. The name came up in conversation with the novelist John Clellon Holmes who published an early Beat Generation novel, Go (1952), along with a manifesto in The New York Times Magazine: "This Is the Beat Generation"[1] In 1954, Nolan Miller published his third novel, Why I Am So Beat (Putnam), detailing the weekend parties of four students. The adjective "beat" was introduced to the group by Herbert Huncke, though Kerouac expanded the meaning of the term. "Beat" came from underworld slang—the world of hustlers, drug addicts and petty thieves, where Ginsberg and Kerouac sought inspiration. "Beat" was slang for "beaten down" or down-trodden, but to Kerouac, it also had a spiritual connotation as in "beatitude". Other adjectives discussed by Holmes and Kerouac were "found" and "furtive." Kerouac felt he had identified (and was the embodiment of) a new trend analogous to the influential Lost Generation.[2][3] In "Aftermath: The Philosophy of the Beat Generation" Kerouac criticized what he saw as a distortion of his visionary, spiritual ideas: The Beat Generation, that was a vision that we had, John Clellon Holmes and I, and Allen Ginsberg in an even wilder way, in the late Forties, of a generation of crazy, illuminated hipsters suddenly rising and roaming America, serious, bumming and hitchhiking everywhere, ragged, beatific, beautiful in an ugly graceful new way—a vision gleaned from the way we had heard the word "beat" spoken on street corners on Times Square and in the Village, in other cities in the downtown city night of postwar America—beat, meaning down and out but full of intense conviction. We'd even heard old 1910 Daddy Hipsters of the streets speak the word that way, with a melancholy sneer. It never meant juvenile delinquents, it meant characters of a special spirituality who didn't gang up but were solitary Bartlebies staring out the dead wall window of our civilization...[4][5] Kerouac explained what he meant by "beat" at a Brandeis Forum, "Is There A Beat Generation?", on November 8, 1958, at New York's Hunter College Playhouse. Panelists for the seminar were Kerouac, James A. Wechsler, Princeton anthropologist Ashley Montagu, and author Kingsley Amis. Wechsler, Montague and Amis all wore suits, while Kerouac was clad in black jeans, ankle boots and a checkered shirt. Reading from a prepared text, Kerouac reflected on his beat beginnings: It is because I am Beat, that is, I believe in beatitude and that God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son to it... Who knows, but that the universe is not one vast sea of compassion actually, the veritable holy honey, beneath all this show of personality and cruelty?[6] Kerouac's address was later published as "The Origins of the Beat Generation" (Playboy, June 1959). In that article Kerouac noted how his original beatific philosophy had been ignored amid maneuvers by several pundits, among them Herb Caen, the San Francisco newspaperman, to alter Kerouac's concept with jokes and jargon: I went one afternoon to the church of my childhood and had a vision of what I must have really meant with "Beat"... the vision of the word Beat as being to mean beatific... People began to call themselves beatniks, beats, jazzniks, bopniks, bugniks and finally I was called the "avatar" of all this. In light of what he considered beat to mean and what beatnik had come mean, he once observed to a reporter, "I'm not a beatnik, I'm a Catholic", showing the reporter a painting of Pope Paul VI and saying, "You know who painted that? Me."
I don't see the word "black" mentioned once here.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
Devlish2
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Registered: 12/06/06
Posts: 3,641
Loc: The Astral Realm 16,376AD
Last seen: 11 years, 1 month
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: twighead] 1
#14176745 - 03/24/11 03:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
And yeah, one can express themselves much more by playing an instrument than with words. It's a universal language. Words are just, flawed and misinterpreted most of the time.
-------------------- [ ] Space is the place
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Grapefruit]
#14176756 - 03/24/11 04:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Grapefruit said: Well I do actually know what you mean. You're talking about those people who don't listen to anything other than ghetto music and aren't from the ghetto and realte to it. Still it doesn't mean a white guy can't enjoy music that comes from that cultural background. It's even plausible that someone could just prefer the music without worshipping that way of life.
What is ridiculous is when rich White people try to emulate ghetto culture, and don't even get it right at all--these same people are often-times mean to non-Whites, and that is just ridiculous on ten-thousand more levels. It's a mockery, a caricature of an entire way of life that actually means something to a group of people.
That's why I'm surprised of being accused of racism, it so isn't that at all; it's odd to me that people who listen to rap don't appreciate the perspective of someone who came from a similar background as most legitimate rappers.
Quote:
Grapefruit said: Anyway you can't get more middle class than this in rap. Not a big fan but LOL!
"Wish I'd pretended my parents were dead to me but I love my dad that motherfucker read to me!"
Yeah, I'm not gonna listen to that. 
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: twighead]
#14176780 - 03/24/11 04:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
twighead said:
Quote:
Poid said:
Quote:
twighead said: It doesn't matter how a genre started, or who started - none of that is a consideration.
Then I guess you don't fully appreciate it. 
Another reason why it's sad/hilarious.
Maybe I don't fully appreciate but who cares like I said earlier - 'regardless - its just someone telling a story... should you stop reading a lord of the rings book because you don't know what its like to be a hobbit living in fear of marauding orcs and evil rings and shit? '
They're telling a story you can't relate to, though, because you'll never be in those shoes--nothing like LOTR, which everyone can relate to because everybody fantasizes (it's a fantasy book).
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
MCdemocracy
Stranger


Registered: 03/24/11
Posts: 9
Loc: United States
Last seen: 12 years, 10 months
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid] 1
#14176895 - 03/24/11 04:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Hip-Hop has a bad rep and has been destroyed because of what mainstream rap has been put out. Soulja Boy, Wayne, Drake, 50 Cent and many others are garbage and have nothing to contribute other than a few catchy lines and a lot of bad rhymes. Hip-Hop in the past has been amazing, even since Motown, with Stevie Wonder (Heaven Help Us All, FTW) then Gil Scott Herron-peaceful man with a powerful message that he speaks, doesn't rap. Run DMC and LL came along and changed hip-hop again to a faster pace music-taken from you guessed it, rock. Many others came along, but when Public Enemy and NWA hit, things really changed. Artists calling for people to rebel, "Fuck the Police" "Straight Outta Compton" and lots of others where you had young black men that made it out of the hood and didn't give a shit. Hip Hop continued to evolve, but it really hit when Pac and Biggie hit the scene and re-revolutionized hip hop...well, for a few years. When the whole Pac and Biggie thing happened, hip hop took an even worse rep because the biggest stars were murdered over, well, money and music...or so "they" say. When that happened a big part of hip hop died, and Jay-Z and Diddy became the new Kings, and well how can hip hop not suck when Diddy has a say, have you listened to music and the people he prodcues? Otown? Yeah...now theres no message in hip-hop (well, mainstream hip-hop) whereas before, there was. It's sad.
--------------------
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: MCdemocracy]
#14176914 - 03/24/11 04:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Everything you said is true--it's good to know that there are actually some semi-sane people on this forum.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
Olympus Mons
esprit de l'univers

Registered: 09/15/09
Posts: 5,777
Loc: ∞
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14176940 - 03/24/11 04:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Poid said: Everything you said is true--it's good to know that there are actually some semi-sane people on this forum. 
i hope you dont think youre one of them.
--------------------
I close my eyes and seize it I clench my fists and beat it I light my torch and burn it I am the beast I worship....
|
MCdemocracy
Stranger


Registered: 03/24/11
Posts: 9
Loc: United States
Last seen: 12 years, 10 months
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14176947 - 03/24/11 04:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Poid said: Everything you said is true--it's good to know that there are actually some semi-sane people on this forum. 
I hate how people wanna total write off hip-hop because they don't like what's put in front of them. Listen to other things, do some research. If I put the radio on a pop station and I didn't like Britney Spears or Katy Perry, would I complete write off Pop? If I put on a rock station and heard Nickelback and All-American Rejects, do I completely write off Rock?
--------------------
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: MCdemocracy]
#14176998 - 03/24/11 04:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Olympus Mons said:
Quote:
Poid said: Everything you said is true--it's good to know that there are actually some semi-sane people on this forum. 
i hope you dont think youre one of them.
I'm not illogical, and I don't ever seriously antagonize people here like most seem to do--plus, I seem to be more aware of my motivations than most others here IMO. Obviously, to many here, I don't seem relatively sane because I come from a very unique background in relation to most; sanity is relative, remember? 
So yeah, IMO, I am at least semi-sane, and so is MCdemocracy--as for all the people who were hating on me in this thread, I'm not so sure...
I have no interest in what others consider to be "sane", though, it is utterly irrelevant to me.
Quote:
MCdemocracy said:
Quote:
Poid said: Everything you said is true--it's good to know that there are actually some semi-sane people on this forum. 
I hate how people wanna total write off hip-hop because they don't like what's put in front of them. Listen to other things, do some research. If I put the radio on a pop station and I didn't like Britney Spears or Katy Perry, would I complete write off Pop? If I put on a rock station and heard Nickelback and All-American Rejects, do I completely write off Rock?
Most new music sucks ass; I came to this conclusion years ago.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
Olympus Mons
esprit de l'univers

Registered: 09/15/09
Posts: 5,777
Loc: ∞
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid] 3
#14177008 - 03/24/11 04:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
people "hate" on you because you talk out of your ass and come across as an ignorant douchebag.
--------------------
I close my eyes and seize it I clench my fists and beat it I light my torch and burn it I am the beast I worship....
|
MCdemocracy
Stranger


Registered: 03/24/11
Posts: 9
Loc: United States
Last seen: 12 years, 10 months
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Olympus Mons]
#14177027 - 03/24/11 04:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Olympus Mons said: people "hate" on you because you talk out of your ass and come across as an ignorant douchebag.
I'm new here, but I'm going to take that as a tone of sarcasm you are sending to Poid. If that's your mentality then why are you on this forum? It's about expressing opinions and topics and not geared toward attacking other people in any way. So by calling him "ignorant" and a "douchebag" your just being a hypocrite, which is just as bad as being ignorant.
--------------------
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Olympus Mons]
#14177041 - 03/24/11 04:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
I talk out of personal experience--one time I apparently talked out of my ass by demonstrating that I didn't know that beatniks emulated blacks. This, however, was not shown to be true from my research--so apparently whoever claimed this is talking out of their ass.
I don't understand why I would come off as ignorant, though--I know a lot of things that many people here don't, and I didn't even really go to college that much.
Hating on people for being ignorant is one of the lowest of lows, BTW; how emotionally fucked up do you have to be to be angered by somebody who doesn't know something?
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: MCdemocracy]
#14177050 - 03/24/11 04:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
MCdemocracy said:
Quote:
Olympus Mons said: people "hate" on you because you talk out of your ass and come across as an ignorant douchebag.
I'm new here, but I'm going to take that as a tone of sarcasm you are sending to Poid. If that's your mentality then why are you on this forum? It's about expressing opinions and topics and not geared toward attacking other people in any way. So by calling him "ignorant" and a "douchebag" your just being a hypocrite, which is just as bad as being ignorant.
Many people here are immature, emotionally stunted trolls, you'll get used to it.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
AaronEruditus
Enthusiast



Registered: 11/21/10
Posts: 165
Loc: Ottawa, ON, Canada
Last seen: 7 years, 2 months
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: MCdemocracy]
#14177086 - 03/24/11 04:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Poid, you're statements are incredibly ridiculous, I don't even know what to say, or where to start.
I guess you must be laughing at me, seeing as I'm from a Swiss/Lebanese heritage.
Not only do I love Hip Hop, but I LIVE that shit. Hip Hop is more than being raised in the ghetto. It's having a certain groove (flowing over a beat isn't easy you know...YOU would fail miserably), having complex rhyme schemes, hitting with heavy punchlines (indicating your level of creativity and displaying a though pattern that is different from of most people); basically, Hip Hop to me is a medium where I can showcase my skills, while remaining in a humorous and friendly mood with my friends.
When I'm chilling with my guitar playing friends it is definitely cool to listen to, but there isn't any humour, laughter, and what not. Mostly straight faces.
For me, that is the difference between Hip Hop and the rest of music.
I like to write my own rhymes. Can you please tell me what exactly is wrong with that? I'm better than ANY black dude I know here in Ottawa. Most 'rappers' around here are trailing along the mainstream's idea of Hip Hop, NOT the underground. I listen to Hip Hop from the 80's, 90's, even some 00's. I know my history.
Even walking down the streets, chilling in the bus, heck, laying in bed, I'm always reciting my favourite songs or my own lyrics. I constantly have a beat going in my head (which get's really frustrating at times), THAT's how much I love Hip Hop. How's a preppy diva like you gone' come along and tell me that I'm a sad and laughable human being?
I see it the exact opposite way. I'm paying tribute to the guys living the rough life. I never wanted to be associated with the fancy and rich, EVER! I've always had, and have, sympathy for my brothers and sisters who when they walk around their neighborhood, they have to worry about guns and all that. That's such a stressful way to live. With my rhymes I try to show the less fortunate that I DO care about them, and that not every white man is a racist.
You, sir, need to get rid of these silly ideologies of yours. You made a fool out of yourself here.
Good Day.
Peace and Love
AE
-------------------- “Science is always discovering odd scraps of magical wisdom and making a tremendous fuss about its cleverness.” ~ Aleister Crowley “Self-importance is our greatest enemy. Think about it - what weakens us, is feeling offended by the deeds and misdeeds of our fellowmen. Our self-importance requires that we spend most of our lives offended by someone.” ~ Don Juan Matus
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: AaronEruditus]
#14177144 - 03/24/11 04:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
AaronEruditus said: Poid, you're statements are incredibly ridiculous, I don't even know what to say, or where to start.
By the same token, I can just say, from my perspective, your statements are incredibly ridiculous--seriously, if you want to share your perspective with me, what makes you think I'm going to even want to listen to it if you're don't seem willing to understand mine? Do you think I'm just saying this shit for no reason? My perspective has been formed by my experiences, I don't mean to express them for the sole purpose of offending people.
How are you going to just toss my experiences away, if I had a similar background to all your favorite rap-stars? Many of them very likely have similar perspectives as mine.
flowing over a beat isn't easy you know...YOU would fail miserably
How would you know this? You don't even know me...
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
crazyboy25
International man of mystery

Registered: 05/31/09
Posts: 275
Last seen: 11 years, 6 days
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: learningtofly]
#14177223 - 03/24/11 05:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
learningtofly said: Looked at in this context, gangsta rap is just a more in-your-face version of US values.
No, it's a more honest version of human values. Virtually every society on Earth since the agricultural revolution has been patriarchal, men have always controlled civilizations in every way that counts. Humans are materialistic by nature, currency has existed in almost every civilization ever to have existed, and in every one there where rich and poor but always greedy. Sexist? Well that goes hand in hand with patriarchal societies but just for the sake of argument consider that women only got suffrage in the eyes of the federal government in 1920.
That's how people are, rap just embraces it. That being said I hate gansta rap.
-------------------- "Life without freedom is not life... freedom is life."
|
AaronEruditus
Enthusiast



Registered: 11/21/10
Posts: 165
Loc: Ottawa, ON, Canada
Last seen: 7 years, 2 months
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14177226 - 03/24/11 05:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
That's the only thing you came up with? Every other point I made isn't worth responding to?
I explained to you WHY I think your statements are ridiculous. You on the other hand provided no feedback what so ever.
What exactly were your 'experiences' that formed the opinion that white people who listen to Hip Hop (not even white rappers; I can only imagine the feelings you have towards them) are sad and laughable? I want to know what kind of experience forms that kind of an opinion.
I'm sorry, you just seem pissed off at the fact that there is white people who have some soul and groove in their blood, and DON'T need to be head-banging all day to feel accomplished.
BTW, my all-time favourite MC was never a gangster or even close to being one. Yet, NOBODY, IMO, comes even close to the creativity and lyrical ability of this man. It's not their background that I admire, it's their creativity and thought process behind their poetry. I RESPECT the live they are forced to live, but I don't ADMIRE it.
Please, if you're going to respond back, try and address more than one sentence
-------------------- “Science is always discovering odd scraps of magical wisdom and making a tremendous fuss about its cleverness.” ~ Aleister Crowley “Self-importance is our greatest enemy. Think about it - what weakens us, is feeling offended by the deeds and misdeeds of our fellowmen. Our self-importance requires that we spend most of our lives offended by someone.” ~ Don Juan Matus
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: AaronEruditus]
#14177245 - 03/24/11 05:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
AaronEruditus said: That's the only thing you came up with? Every other point I made isn't worth responding to?
No, because the first thing you did was insult my perspective--if you view my perspective so negatively, why the hell do you want to hear more of it? Just to insult it some more?
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
AaronEruditus
Enthusiast



Registered: 11/21/10
Posts: 165
Loc: Ottawa, ON, Canada
Last seen: 7 years, 2 months
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: AaronEruditus]
#14177253 - 03/24/11 05:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
I don't know it, but the way you seem to think of Hip hop gives me an idea or two. Come again.
-------------------- “Science is always discovering odd scraps of magical wisdom and making a tremendous fuss about its cleverness.” ~ Aleister Crowley “Self-importance is our greatest enemy. Think about it - what weakens us, is feeling offended by the deeds and misdeeds of our fellowmen. Our self-importance requires that we spend most of our lives offended by someone.” ~ Don Juan Matus
|
AaronEruditus
Enthusiast



Registered: 11/21/10
Posts: 165
Loc: Ottawa, ON, Canada
Last seen: 7 years, 2 months
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: AaronEruditus]
#14177274 - 03/24/11 05:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
You're right. And you coming in here claiming that white people listening to Hip Hop are sad and laughable people isn't insulting, is it?
You're a joke and obviously CAN'T respond back to my statements. You have nothing to say that would make your point even REMOTELY considerable.
-------------------- “Science is always discovering odd scraps of magical wisdom and making a tremendous fuss about its cleverness.” ~ Aleister Crowley “Self-importance is our greatest enemy. Think about it - what weakens us, is feeling offended by the deeds and misdeeds of our fellowmen. Our self-importance requires that we spend most of our lives offended by someone.” ~ Don Juan Matus
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: AaronEruditus]
#14177280 - 03/24/11 05:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Well whatever, I don't enjoy conversing with people who just want to be disrespectful towards me--I didn't come in this thread to disrespect any particular user, I don't see why you feel the need to. Well, you've given me an idea or two.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
AaronEruditus
Enthusiast



Registered: 11/21/10
Posts: 165
Loc: Ottawa, ON, Canada
Last seen: 7 years, 2 months
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14177342 - 03/24/11 05:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
ONLY disrespectful?
I gave you plenty of material to respond to, you just chose 2 sentences.
That's not my problem, and if you can't see how your statements were insulting to a person like me (an avid Hip Hop listener) then I don't know what to tell you man...quit trying to prove a point that you realized isn't really a good argument.
-------------------- “Science is always discovering odd scraps of magical wisdom and making a tremendous fuss about its cleverness.” ~ Aleister Crowley “Self-importance is our greatest enemy. Think about it - what weakens us, is feeling offended by the deeds and misdeeds of our fellowmen. Our self-importance requires that we spend most of our lives offended by someone.” ~ Don Juan Matus
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: AaronEruditus]
#14177370 - 03/24/11 05:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
AaronEruditus said: ONLY disrespectful?
I didn't say only--saying that you "just want to be disrespectful" isn't necessarily the same thing as saying that you "only want to be disrespectful".
Ex:
"Why is that dude drinking Coors Light?"
"He just likes it is all."
This doesn't imply that he only likes Coors Light.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
Caine
lab rat



Registered: 01/25/10
Posts: 3,920
Loc: NE
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14177376 - 03/24/11 05:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Poid, if you think that hip hop was created to glorify these ideals, you're sadly mistaken. Have you any idea how the hip hop movement even came about? I encourage you to read up a little bit on the most important of its forefathers:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrika_Bambaataa
And your point about "spoiled white kids" is rather moot as well. Do you think these artists would be angered to learn that someone who never lived in the ghetto listens to their music? I disagree. Do you actually believe MC's want people to go through what they had to? That is almost laughable. The hip hop movement was created to bring a little light into struggling regions of the nation, not to spread the struggle elsewhere.
|
AaronEruditus
Enthusiast



Registered: 11/21/10
Posts: 165
Loc: Ottawa, ON, Canada
Last seen: 7 years, 2 months
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Caine]
#14177402 - 03/24/11 05:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Man, I tried to have a conversation with you. It's painfully obvious that you dodged all my statements that actually meant something.
I hope you're a different person when you're not looking into the screen of your computer.
Peace and Love
AE
-------------------- “Science is always discovering odd scraps of magical wisdom and making a tremendous fuss about its cleverness.” ~ Aleister Crowley “Self-importance is our greatest enemy. Think about it - what weakens us, is feeling offended by the deeds and misdeeds of our fellowmen. Our self-importance requires that we spend most of our lives offended by someone.” ~ Don Juan Matus
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Caine]
#14177414 - 03/24/11 05:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Caine said: The hip hop movement was created to bring a little light into struggling regions of the nation...
More like the struggling of minorities, particularly Hispanics and Blacks.
Quote:
Caine said: ...not to spread the struggle elsewhere.
I've watched a few Tupac documentaries; Thug Life was created to let the greater world (*ahem*White people*ahem*) understand the kind of abuses that Blacks and Latinos suffered at their hands. It wasn't simply about "struggling regions", you're totally missing the point.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: AaronEruditus]
#14177428 - 03/24/11 05:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
AaronEruditus said: Man, I tried to have a conversation with you.
I made it clear that I am not interested in having a conversation with you--you entered this thread being hostile towards me, and I have no interest in interacting with people who treat me that way.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
Caine
lab rat



Registered: 01/25/10
Posts: 3,920
Loc: NE
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14177438 - 03/24/11 05:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Maybe to understand, yes, but most who have gone through such hardship can tell you that they would not wish it to any degree on anyone else. I think you're missing the point.
|
AaronEruditus
Enthusiast



Registered: 11/21/10
Posts: 165
Loc: Ottawa, ON, Canada
Last seen: 7 years, 2 months
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14177444 - 03/24/11 05:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
You have no arguments, dawg. Stop kidding yourself.
-------------------- “Science is always discovering odd scraps of magical wisdom and making a tremendous fuss about its cleverness.” ~ Aleister Crowley “Self-importance is our greatest enemy. Think about it - what weakens us, is feeling offended by the deeds and misdeeds of our fellowmen. Our self-importance requires that we spend most of our lives offended by someone.” ~ Don Juan Matus
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Caine]
#14177452 - 03/24/11 05:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Caine said: ...most who have gone through such hardship can tell you that they would not wish it to any degree on anyone else.
I don't remember saying anything like this...
Also not sure why you think I was in any way suggesting this:
Do you think these artists would be angered to learn that someone who never lived in the ghetto listens to their music?...Do you actually believe MC's want people to go through what they had to?
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
AaronEruditus
Enthusiast



Registered: 11/21/10
Posts: 165
Loc: Ottawa, ON, Canada
Last seen: 7 years, 2 months
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: AaronEruditus]
#14177508 - 03/24/11 05:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Hostile? When exactly was I hostile? Unless you have the ability to read CONTEXT(I was typing in a calm manner, BTW), I don't know how you can possibly claim that I was hostile.
You kept on responding to people who told you you have your head shoved up your ass. But then I come in, state that your claims are ridiculous (which isn't half as 'insulting' as your 'head up your ass') and I'm already being hostile and not worthy to talk to.
I don't know, to me it seems that you just did NOT have an answer to my arguments and questions.
I really want to know what kind of experiences you had that led you to form an opinion that goes something like "White people who listen to rap are sad and laughable human beings?"
There's many more arguments that you simply had NO answer to because you realized how RIDICULOUS your first statements was.
Then you have the nerve to tell me that I was being disrespectful, and that my intent was to keep on being disrespectful. Maybe if you would've answered to everything I typed in I wouldn't have such a low view of you.
-------------------- “Science is always discovering odd scraps of magical wisdom and making a tremendous fuss about its cleverness.” ~ Aleister Crowley “Self-importance is our greatest enemy. Think about it - what weakens us, is feeling offended by the deeds and misdeeds of our fellowmen. Our self-importance requires that we spend most of our lives offended by someone.” ~ Don Juan Matus
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: AaronEruditus]
#14177572 - 03/24/11 06:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
AaronEruditus said: Hostile? When exactly was I hostile? Unless you have the ability to read CONTEXT(I was typing in a calm manner, BTW), I don't know how you can possibly claim that I was hostile.
You said my statements were incredibly ridiculous, and that you don't even know where to start; if this is respectful behavior IYO, I'm glad I don't have to interact with you IRL.
Quote:
AaronEruditus said: You kept on responding to people who told you you have your head shoved up your ass. But then I come in, state that your claims are ridiculous (which isn't half as 'insulting' as your 'head up your ass') and I'm already being hostile and not worthy to talk to.
Well they used up my day's patience for dealing with hostility, you just came at the wrong time. 
Quote:
AaronEruditus said: I don't know, to me it seems that you just did NOT have an answer to my arguments and questions.
I really want to know what kind of experiences you had that led you to form an opinion that goes something like "White people who listen to rap are sad and laughable human beings?"
The exact experiences are irrelevant; how I justified my perspective is what's relevant, and this, apparently, is what you thought was incredibly ridiculous.
Quote:
AaronEruditus said: There's many more arguments that you simply had NO answer to because you realized how RIDICULOUS your first statements was.
That isn't it. 
Quote:
AaronEruditus said: Then you have the nerve to tell me that I was being disrespectful, and that my intent was to keep on being disrespectful. Maybe if you would've answered to everything I typed in I wouldn't have such a low view of you.
I don't care if you have a low view of me, and I don't see how me considering you as being disrespectful is indicative of me having some sort of nerve...
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
Beanhead
IS IRONIC PARADOX


Registered: 10/11/08
Posts: 17,257
Loc: Geospatial inversion.
Last seen: 3 years, 5 months
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: AaronEruditus]
#14177573 - 03/24/11 06:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
This is the message of hiphop 
It's like a jungle sometimes it makes me wonder How I keep from going under It's like a jungle sometimes it makes me wonder How I keep from going under
Broken glass everywhere People pissing on the stairs, you know they just don't care I can't take the smell, I can't take the noise no more Got no money to move out, I guess I got no choice Rats in the front room, roaches in the back Junkies in the alley with the baseball bat I tried to get away, but I couldn't get far Cause a man with a tow-truck repossessed my car
Chorus: Don't push me cause I'm close to the edge I'm trying not to lose my head, ah huh-huh-huh [2nd and 5th: ah huh-huh-huh] [4th: say what?] It's like a jungle sometimes it makes me wonder How I keep from going under It's like a jungle sometimes it makes me wonder How I keep from going under
Standing on the front stoop, hangin' out the window Watching all the cars go by, roaring as the breezes blow Crazy lady livin' in a bag Eating out of garbage pails, used to be a fag-hag Said she danced the tango, skipped the light fandango The Zircon Princess seemed to lost her senses Down at the peepshow, watching all the creeps So she can tell the stories to the girls back home She went to the city and got social security She had to get a pimp, she couldn't make it on her own
[2nd Chorus]
My brother's doing bad on my mother's TV She says: "You watch it too much, it's just not healthy!" "All My Children" in the daytime, "Dallas" at night Can't even see the game or the Sugar Ray fight The bill collectors they ring my phone And scare my wife when I'm not home Got a bum education, double-digit inflation I can't take the train to the job, there's a strike at the station Neon King Kong standin' on my back Can't stop to turn around, broke my sacrophiliac A mid-ranged migraine, cancered membrane Sometimes I think I'm going insane, I swear I might hijack a plane
My son said: "Daddy I don't wonna go to school Cause the teacher's a jerk!", he must think I'm a fool And all the kids smoke reefer, I think it'd be cheaper If I just got a job, learned to be a street sweeper I'll dance to the beat, shuffle my feet Wear a shirt and tie and run with the creeps Cause it's all about money, ain't a damn thing funny You got to have a con in this land of milk and honey They pushed that girl in front of the train Took her to the doctor, sewed her arm on again Stabbed that man right in his heart Gave him a transplant for a brand new start I can't walk through the park, cause it's crazy after dark Keep my hand on my gun, cause they got me on the run I feel like a outlaw, broke my last glass jar Hear them say: "You want some more livin' on a seesaw?"
[4th Chorus]
A child is born with no state of mind Blind to the ways of mankind God is smiling on you but he's frowning too Because only God knows what you'll go through You'll grow in the ghetto, living second rate And your eyes will sing a song of deep hate The places you're playin', where you stay Looks like one great big alley way You'll admire all the number book takers Thugs, pimps, pushers and the big money makers Driving big cars, spending twenties and tens And you wanna grow up to be just like them, huh, Smugglers, scrambles, burglars, gamblers Pickpockets, peddlers even panhandlers You say: "I'm cool, I'm no fool!" But then you wind up dropping out of high school Now you're unemployed, all non-void Walking 'round like you're Pretty Boy Floyd Turned stickup kid, look what you've done did Got sent up for a eight year bid Now your manhood is took and you're a may tag Spend the next two years as a undercover fag Being used and abused to serve like hell Till one day you was found hung dead in a cell It was plain to see that your life was lost You was cold and your body swung back and forth But now your eyes sing the sad, sad song Of how you lived so fast and died so young
Don't push me 'cause I'm close to the edge I'm trying not to lose my head It's like a jungle sometimes it makes me wonder how I keep from going under It's like a jungle sometimes it makes me wonder how I keep from going under
|
AaronEruditus
Enthusiast



Registered: 11/21/10
Posts: 165
Loc: Ottawa, ON, Canada
Last seen: 7 years, 2 months
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Beanhead]
#14177603 - 03/24/11 06:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
It's convenient to just have your patience drained, isn't it?
-------------------- “Science is always discovering odd scraps of magical wisdom and making a tremendous fuss about its cleverness.” ~ Aleister Crowley “Self-importance is our greatest enemy. Think about it - what weakens us, is feeling offended by the deeds and misdeeds of our fellowmen. Our self-importance requires that we spend most of our lives offended by someone.” ~ Don Juan Matus
|
Beanhead
IS IRONIC PARADOX


Registered: 10/11/08
Posts: 17,257
Loc: Geospatial inversion.
Last seen: 3 years, 5 months
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: AaronEruditus]
#14177611 - 03/24/11 06:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
I have all the patience of the world, why bother when the hours we waste away are inevitable 
Why not take your time and broaden your view a bit, what's wrong with the music?
Edited by Beanhead (03/24/11 06:17 PM)
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: AaronEruditus]
#14177612 - 03/24/11 06:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
It totally is, because now I don't have to deal with a person who thinks of my perspective as being incredibly ridiculous, and who doesn't seem to be willing to understand where I'm coming from.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
Beanhead
IS IRONIC PARADOX


Registered: 10/11/08
Posts: 17,257
Loc: Geospatial inversion.
Last seen: 3 years, 5 months
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14177615 - 03/24/11 06:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Oh woops wasn't responding to me
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Caine]
#14177619 - 03/24/11 06:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Poid said:
Quote:
Caine said: ...most who have gone through such hardship can tell you that they would not wish it to any degree on anyone else.
I don't remember saying anything like this...
Also not sure why you think I was in any way suggesting this:
Do you think these artists would be angered to learn that someone who never lived in the ghetto listens to their music?...Do you actually believe MC's want people to go through what they had to?
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
trip forever
Stranger


Registered: 08/21/09
Posts: 5,873
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14177683 - 03/24/11 06:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
There isn't one type of rap, there the hip-hop stuff, the hardcore shit, this shit
I like any music, fuck all you ego fags going "oh i dont listen to "insert genre of music"
I'll listen to anything.
--------------------
|
AaronEruditus
Enthusiast



Registered: 11/21/10
Posts: 165
Loc: Ottawa, ON, Canada
Last seen: 7 years, 2 months
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14177688 - 03/24/11 06:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
You have not given me ONE example to show me where you're coming from. I freakin' 'poured my heart out' here, telling you how much I love Hip Hop(knowing you'd think of me as a joke or something) and telling you exactly why I think you made ridiculous claims.
I asked you for your experiences, but all of a sudden they don't seem important enough to tell, only how you interpreted them.
Nah mean?
-------------------- “Science is always discovering odd scraps of magical wisdom and making a tremendous fuss about its cleverness.” ~ Aleister Crowley “Self-importance is our greatest enemy. Think about it - what weakens us, is feeling offended by the deeds and misdeeds of our fellowmen. Our self-importance requires that we spend most of our lives offended by someone.” ~ Don Juan Matus
|
deCypher



Registered: 02/10/08
Posts: 56,232
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14177691 - 03/24/11 06:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Poid said: White people who never grew up in such circumstances and who listen to rap are complete fakes. This isn't just limited to white people, though, anybody who listens to that shit and who isn't from a similar background is retarded.
Because enjoying music for the rhythm/melody/lyrics requires having an identical background to the artist? Get outta here. If anything, listening to such music may even help others understand and relate to the artist's disadvantaged background.
-------------------- We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.
 
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: deCypher]
#14177694 - 03/24/11 06:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
I meant people who attempt to adopt the culture, not just anybody who listens to it; I explained this later on in the thread.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
AaronEruditus
Enthusiast



Registered: 11/21/10
Posts: 165
Loc: Ottawa, ON, Canada
Last seen: 7 years, 2 months
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: deCypher]
#14177703 - 03/24/11 06:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
deCypher said:
Quote:
Poid said: White people who never grew up in such circumstances and who listen to rap are complete fakes. This isn't just limited to white people, though, anybody who listens to that shit and who isn't from a similar background is retarded.
Because enjoying music for the rhythm/melody/lyrics requires having an identical background to the artist? Get outta here. If anything, listening to such music may even help others understand and relate to the artist's disadvantaged background.
-------------------- “Science is always discovering odd scraps of magical wisdom and making a tremendous fuss about its cleverness.” ~ Aleister Crowley “Self-importance is our greatest enemy. Think about it - what weakens us, is feeling offended by the deeds and misdeeds of our fellowmen. Our self-importance requires that we spend most of our lives offended by someone.” ~ Don Juan Matus
|
deCypher



Registered: 02/10/08
Posts: 56,232
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14177706 - 03/24/11 06:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Ah, okay. Yeah, I'll agree with you that wiggers can be pretty annoying/fake but your post as originally stated definitely needed revision.
-------------------- We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.
 
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: AaronEruditus]
#14177707 - 03/24/11 06:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
AaronEruditus said: You have not given me ONE example to show me where you're coming from.
If you didn't read my posts, then WTF were you calling ridiculous? You said my statements were ridiculous, remember? I described the justification for my perspective, why the hell do you wanna know about any specific experiences? Why do they matter?
Quote:
AaronEruditus said: I freakin' 'poured my heart out' here, telling you how much I love Hip Hop(knowing you'd think of me as a joke or something) and telling you exactly why I think you made ridiculous claims.
I asked you for your experiences, but all of a sudden they don't seem important enough to tell, only how you interpreted them.
Nah mean?
Yup.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: deCypher]
#14177713 - 03/24/11 06:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
deCypher said: Ah, okay. Yeah, I'll agree with you that wiggers can be pretty annoying/fake but your post as originally stated definitely needed revision. 
I entered this thread half-seriously, then eventually started becoming more precise--that post you quoted was during the half-serious phase.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
Caine
lab rat



Registered: 01/25/10
Posts: 3,920
Loc: NE
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: deCypher]
#14177724 - 03/24/11 06:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Oh, well in that case I agree with you, Poid. White people listening to hip hop from a worldly perspective are just fine, but white people trying to live the music are idiotic. What they don't realize is that most MC's would x2, the point is to listen and take it as a warning, not to listen and decide that it sounds cool to deal crack and carry a .357.
And those quotes you had from me were actually questions to you, not just rhetoric.
|
deCypher



Registered: 02/10/08
Posts: 56,232
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14177739 - 03/24/11 06:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Ah, young Grasshopper, you must always enter a thread with preciseness and THEN gradually lapse into half-seriousness/humor. Unless you enjoy the sort of shit storm in replies that is aptly demonstrated in this thread.
-------------------- We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.
 
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Caine]
#14177743 - 03/24/11 06:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Caine said: Oh, well in that case I agree with you, Poid. White people listening to hip hop from a worldly perspective are just fine, but white people trying to live the music are idiotic.
This is what I've been saying all along, I can't believe people got so fucking over-emotional over this (you didn't, though, you were cool ).
Fucking humans...
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: deCypher]
#14177749 - 03/24/11 06:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
deCypher said: Ah, young Grasshopper, you must always enter a thread with preciseness and THEN gradually lapse into half-seriousness/humor. Unless you enjoy the sort of shit storm in replies that is aptly demonstrated in this thread. 
Honestly, I didn't predict that it would get to the point that it did--I guess people have a lot of reserved emotions about race. 
And aren't I older than you!
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
Ima Trooper
Chilldog Extraordinaire



Registered: 02/21/08
Posts: 13,533
Loc: United States
Last seen: 4 days, 26 minutes
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14177754 - 03/24/11 06:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Dude, you're an idiot.
-------------------- "Its moving of its own accord...and I like that in a shirt!" - Me, tripping. deCypher said: Schizophrenia beats dining alone, you know.
|
AaronEruditus
Enthusiast



Registered: 11/21/10
Posts: 165
Loc: Ottawa, ON, Canada
Last seen: 7 years, 2 months
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: AaronEruditus]
#14177758 - 03/24/11 06:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
I love music. Hip Hop happens to be my favourite.
I also like to express myself creatively. Learning an instrument takes a while, plus it costs money (classes, the instrument itself).
Poetry only needs a tongue and a working brain. Nothing else. I can start kicking rhymes at the corner of the street without having to set up anything or carrying my instrument around with me.
It makes people laugh. It makes people nod their heads. It gets people together.
So, if I get my props from other's (including black people), how can you make fun of me for living the music I love SO MUCH? I love it more than anybody I've come in contact with, I could talk about quotables all day, and analyzing lyrics never gets old for me. I don't understand it...these statements only cause further segregation between black and white people, while I'm trying to make us come together.
-------------------- “Science is always discovering odd scraps of magical wisdom and making a tremendous fuss about its cleverness.” ~ Aleister Crowley “Self-importance is our greatest enemy. Think about it - what weakens us, is feeling offended by the deeds and misdeeds of our fellowmen. Our self-importance requires that we spend most of our lives offended by someone.” ~ Don Juan Matus
|
deCypher



Registered: 02/10/08
Posts: 56,232
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14177763 - 03/24/11 06:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
You're posting on a board comprised of probably 80-90% white males between the ages of 18-24. What'd you expect? 
Quote:
Poid said: And aren't I older than you! 
How old are you again?
-------------------- We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.
 
|
Caine
lab rat



Registered: 01/25/10
Posts: 3,920
Loc: NE
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14177783 - 03/24/11 06:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
There are definitely certain MC's that, either wittingly or unwittingly, attract dumbass wiggers. You'll never see a wigger listening to:
but always:
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: AaronEruditus]
#14177787 - 03/24/11 06:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Ima Trooper said: Dude, you're an idiot. 
Fuck off, "ghetto" white boy. 
Quote:
AaronEruditus said: I love music. Hip Hop happens to be my favourite.
I also like to express myself creatively. Learning an instrument takes a while, plus it costs money (classes, the instrument itself).
Classes? LOL
Quote:
AaronEruditus said: Poetry only needs a tongue and a working brain. Nothing else.
It also helps to have a unique voice. 
Quote:
AaronEruditus said: I can start kicking rhymes at the corner of the street without having to set up anything or carrying my instrument around with me.

Quote:
AaronEruditus said: It makes people laugh. It makes people nod their heads. It gets people together.
So, if I get my props from other's (including black people), how can you make fun of me for living the music I love SO MUCH? I love it more than anybody I've come in contact with, I could talk about quotables all day, and analyzing lyrics never gets old for me. I don't understand it...these statements only cause further segregation between black and white people, while I'm trying to make us come together.
Why force something that may be unnatural?
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: deCypher]
#14177793 - 03/24/11 06:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
deCypher said: You're posting on a board comprised of probably 80-90% white males between the ages of 18-24. What'd you expect? 
Some semblance of sanity, perhaps? Boy was that a mistake...
Quote:
deCypher said:
Quote:
Poid said: And aren't I older than you! 
How old are you again?
22, turned it on Feb. 9.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
Ima Trooper
Chilldog Extraordinaire



Registered: 02/21/08
Posts: 13,533
Loc: United States
Last seen: 4 days, 26 minutes
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14177799 - 03/24/11 06:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Ha, I'm so scared. What are you going to do about it?
-------------------- "Its moving of its own accord...and I like that in a shirt!" - Me, tripping. deCypher said: Schizophrenia beats dining alone, you know.
|
AaronEruditus
Enthusiast



Registered: 11/21/10
Posts: 165
Loc: Ottawa, ON, Canada
Last seen: 7 years, 2 months
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Caine]
#14177802 - 03/24/11 06:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Caine said: There are definitely certain MC's that, either wittingly or unwittingly, attract dumbass wiggers. You'll never see a wigger listening to:
but always:
Fuck, I love Priest, that guy is so nasty!
Man, I seriously laughed out loud when I clicked on the second video and the beat started
-------------------- “Science is always discovering odd scraps of magical wisdom and making a tremendous fuss about its cleverness.” ~ Aleister Crowley “Self-importance is our greatest enemy. Think about it - what weakens us, is feeling offended by the deeds and misdeeds of our fellowmen. Our self-importance requires that we spend most of our lives offended by someone.” ~ Don Juan Matus
|
deCypher



Registered: 02/10/08
Posts: 56,232
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14177803 - 03/24/11 06:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Ah damn, you beat me by 38 days, but I'm going by mental rather than physical age. (Just kidding... )
-------------------- We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.
 
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Ima Trooper]
#14177811 - 03/24/11 06:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Ima Trooper said: Ha, I'm so scared. What are you going to do about it?
Probably fail at trying to get you to understand how childish you're acting.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: deCypher] 1
#14177821 - 03/24/11 06:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
deCypher said: Ah damn, you beat me by 38 days, but I'm going by mental rather than physical age. (Just kidding... )
Some people IRL still think I'm underage.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
Caine
lab rat



Registered: 01/25/10
Posts: 3,920
Loc: NE
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: deCypher]
#14177822 - 03/24/11 06:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Yeah, the lyrics are something to be marveled at as well.
"Bad to the brizzle" the fuck?
"...to take a shit and urine on the toilet bowl, bitches" great and creative lyricism like this is certainly at the forefront of the wigger movement
|
Ima Trooper
Chilldog Extraordinaire



Registered: 02/21/08
Posts: 13,533
Loc: United States
Last seen: 4 days, 26 minutes
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14177824 - 03/24/11 06:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
At least I don't think its hilariously stupid that white people like hip hop. Many songs resonate with many different cultures, this is no different.
-------------------- "Its moving of its own accord...and I like that in a shirt!" - Me, tripping. deCypher said: Schizophrenia beats dining alone, you know.
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Caine]
#14177827 - 03/24/11 06:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
I think it's hilarious how we're allowed to say wigger in this forum, but not the *N* word.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Ima Trooper]
#14177835 - 03/24/11 06:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Ima Trooper said: At least I don't think its hilariously stupid that white people like hip hop. Many songs resonate with many different cultures, this is no different.
Dude, how many years do you have on me? You're picking on a child, it's pathetic (and childish ).
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
AaronEruditus
Enthusiast



Registered: 11/21/10
Posts: 165
Loc: Ottawa, ON, Canada
Last seen: 7 years, 2 months
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14177843 - 03/24/11 06:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
What makes you think that I'm trying to push something unnatural? I really love that 'Hip Hop shit' to that extent.
I'm not your typical white boy either (remember, one of my parents DOES come from the Middle East); people usually ask me if I'm Spanish/Latino. Not that it matters though.
If you're dope, you're dope.
-------------------- “Science is always discovering odd scraps of magical wisdom and making a tremendous fuss about its cleverness.” ~ Aleister Crowley “Self-importance is our greatest enemy. Think about it - what weakens us, is feeling offended by the deeds and misdeeds of our fellowmen. Our self-importance requires that we spend most of our lives offended by someone.” ~ Don Juan Matus
|
Ima Trooper
Chilldog Extraordinaire



Registered: 02/21/08
Posts: 13,533
Loc: United States
Last seen: 4 days, 26 minutes
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14177848 - 03/24/11 06:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
I know, right? I should really only argue with people who aren't complete retards.
-------------------- "Its moving of its own accord...and I like that in a shirt!" - Me, tripping. deCypher said: Schizophrenia beats dining alone, you know.
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: AaronEruditus]
#14177852 - 03/24/11 07:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
AaronEruditus said: If you're dope, you're dope.
Can we hear some of your dope?
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Ima Trooper]
#14177860 - 03/24/11 07:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Ima Trooper said: I know, right? I should really only argue with people who aren't complete retards.
You "should" do whatever the fuck you want, I really DGAF--I just think it's sad, is all. Like, tears are actually welling up. 
No wonder you've been abused.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
Ima Trooper
Chilldog Extraordinaire



Registered: 02/21/08
Posts: 13,533
Loc: United States
Last seen: 4 days, 26 minutes
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14177887 - 03/24/11 07:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Poid said:
Quote:
Ima Trooper said: I know, right? I should really only argue with people who aren't complete retards.
You "should" do whatever the fuck you want, I really DGAF--I just think it's sad, is all. Like, tears are actually welling up. 
No wonder you've been abused. 
Who says I've been abused? Perhaps you're just projecting your own abuse?
-------------------- "Its moving of its own accord...and I like that in a shirt!" - Me, tripping. deCypher said: Schizophrenia beats dining alone, you know.
|
AaronEruditus
Enthusiast



Registered: 11/21/10
Posts: 165
Loc: Ottawa, ON, Canada
Last seen: 7 years, 2 months
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14177888 - 03/24/11 07:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Yeah right. You've made fun of me all along this thread, and now you want me to actually send you some of my songs? 'Outta here
-------------------- “Science is always discovering odd scraps of magical wisdom and making a tremendous fuss about its cleverness.” ~ Aleister Crowley “Self-importance is our greatest enemy. Think about it - what weakens us, is feeling offended by the deeds and misdeeds of our fellowmen. Our self-importance requires that we spend most of our lives offended by someone.” ~ Don Juan Matus
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: AaronEruditus]
#14177918 - 03/24/11 07:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Ima Trooper said:
Quote:
Poid said:
Quote:
Ima Trooper said: I know, right? I should really only argue with people who aren't complete retards.
You "should" do whatever the fuck you want, I really DGAF--I just think it's sad, is all. Like, tears are actually welling up. 
No wonder you've been abused. 
Who says I've been abused? Perhaps you're just projecting your own abuse? 
Um, you're abusing me (verbally, emotionally, etc.)--obviously, this is a sign that you've been abused. People who haven't been abused have no need to be complete assholes, it's just not in their nature.
And I wasn't talking about sexual abuse in particular, but I wouldn't be surprised in the least if that happened to you.
Quote:
AaronEruditus said: Yeah right. You've made fun of me all along this thread, and now you want me to actually send you some of my songs? 'Outta here
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
Caine
lab rat



Registered: 01/25/10
Posts: 3,920
Loc: NE
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14177928 - 03/24/11 07:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
It's difficult to express in words, but songs are somewhat like stories, personally I listen to music to hear these stories from all over the world, be it Biggie Smalls or Ravi Shankar. Hip hop is just another collective of stories. There are some excellent stories, and some bad ones. A well written story can provoke thought and make one learn something, while it is the badly written stories that cause problems like the misunderstanding about the purpose of hip hop. Hopefully that made some sense, I can't quite say it as I want to.
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Caine]
#14177933 - 03/24/11 07:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
I know what you're getting at.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
Ima Trooper
Chilldog Extraordinaire



Registered: 02/21/08
Posts: 13,533
Loc: United States
Last seen: 4 days, 26 minutes
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid] 1
#14177939 - 03/24/11 07:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Aww, I'm abusing you verbally and emotionally? Poor poid, c'mere buddy 
You're so cute when you think you're right about stuff.
-------------------- "Its moving of its own accord...and I like that in a shirt!" - Me, tripping. deCypher said: Schizophrenia beats dining alone, you know.
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Ima Trooper]
#14177943 - 03/24/11 07:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
Ouija



Registered: 07/29/10
Posts: 297
Loc: Pacific North West
Last seen: 10 years, 3 months
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14177994 - 03/24/11 07:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
I think it's hilarious that white people are into jazz and rock n roll.
|
Poid
Shroomery's #1 Spellir




Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 40,372
Loc: SF Bay Area
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Ouija]
#14178004 - 03/24/11 07:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Well when they dance to it at least...
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
|
akira_akuma
Φύσις κρύπτεσθαι ὕψιστος φιλεῖ


Registered: 08/28/09
Posts: 82,455
Loc: Onypeirophóros
Last seen: 4 years, 1 month
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Devlish2]
#14178039 - 03/24/11 07:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Devlish2 said: Fuck any rapper who ain't Kool Keith.

and BTW: PS ya'll... but you all are stupid, ma'dudes (except Devlish2) everyone knows that music is constructed SOUNDS and that's it.
think of the origin of sound...
think now... think it hard...
you are thinking about conceptuality in it's deepest seeded form, right now.
music is what we've been doing since... probably aroudn the time of the wheel, or even rather that... weapon.
(PS, if you are going by SPACE ODESSY rules :P if that's not the case think paleolithic bone drums and just imagine the rest beforehand as hmphs and grunts along with shattering heads and limbs... there you go, music.)
|
akira_akuma
Φύσις κρύπτεσθαι ὕψιστος φιλεῖ


Registered: 08/28/09
Posts: 82,455
Loc: Onypeirophóros
Last seen: 4 years, 1 month
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: akira_akuma]
#14178171 - 03/24/11 07:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
|
twighead
mͯó



Registered: 08/27/08
Posts: 29,562
Loc: Glenn Gould's Fuck Windmill
Last seen: 2 hours, 2 minutes
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: akira_akuma]
#14178251 - 03/24/11 08:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
That's what I posted
|
akira_akuma
Φύσις κρύπτεσθαι ὕψιστος φιλεῖ


Registered: 08/28/09
Posts: 82,455
Loc: Onypeirophóros
Last seen: 4 years, 1 month
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: twighead]
#14178272 - 03/24/11 08:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
SNAP.
well, this is song is suiting for this shazbot of a thread.
|
twighead
mͯó



Registered: 08/27/08
Posts: 29,562
Loc: Glenn Gould's Fuck Windmill
Last seen: 2 hours, 2 minutes
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: akira_akuma]
#14178290 - 03/24/11 08:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Actually I think I posted
YOU'RE GOOD MAN.
|
akira_akuma
Φύσις κρύπτεσθαι ὕψιστος φιλεῖ


Registered: 08/28/09
Posts: 82,455
Loc: Onypeirophóros
Last seen: 4 years, 1 month
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: twighead]
#14178295 - 03/24/11 08:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
Edited by akira_akuma (03/24/11 08:32 PM)
|
Toltecatl
Psychonaut


Registered: 07/29/10
Posts: 641
Loc: Tardis
Last seen: 10 years, 8 months
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: akira_akuma]
#14180953 - 03/25/11 08:46 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
This is how I like my rap. Filled with anger and defiance against a corrupt system that enslaves its own. Ya got a bullet in yer fuckin head!!!
|
PoopSoap
Genetically Modified Organism

Registered: 01/24/09
Posts: 603
Last seen: 8 years, 10 months
|
Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Toltecatl]
#14181018 - 03/25/11 09:08 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
|
|
|
|