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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14176495 - 03/24/11 03:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Poid said: How is that racist? 
None of you people grew up in the ghetto, you have no fucking idea what that kind of life is like. I grew up in a town that was at one point the murder capital of the country; I've been through lots of trying times, and I still don't listen to that garbage. This is why I find it hilarious--from my perspective, White people who never grew up in such circumstances and who listen to rap are complete fakes. This isn't just limited to white people, though, anybody who listens to that shit and who isn't from a similar background is retarded.
So you think it is "retarded" to try to relate to people from a different background and to appreciate different cultures and point of views?
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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14176499 - 03/24/11 03:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Poid said: None of you people grew up in the ghetto, you have no fucking idea what that kind of life is like. I grew up in a town that was at one point the murder capital of the country, had lived there for most of my life; I've been through lots of trying times, and I still don't listen to that garbage. This is why I find it hilarious--from my perspective, White people who never grew up in such circumstances and who listen to rap are complete fakes. This isn't just limited to white people, though, anybody who listens to that shit and who isn't from a similar background is retarded.
Jesus, its too bad you haven't gotten hit by a truck yet.
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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Ima Trooper]
#14176513 - 03/24/11 03:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Poid said: How is that racist? 
None of you people grew up in the ghetto, you have no fucking idea what that kind of life is like. I grew up in a town that was at one point the murder capital of the country; I've been through lots of trying times, and I still don't listen to that garbage. This is why I find it hilarious--from my perspective, White people who never grew up in such circumstances and who listen to rap are complete fakes. This isn't just limited to white people, though, anybody who listens to that shit and who isn't from a similar background is retarded.
So you think it is "retarded" to try to relate to people from a different background and to appreciate different cultures and point of views?
No, I think it's retarded for rich kids to try to relate to poor people; if you can't understand how poor people perceive this kind of behavior, then you have no room to talk.
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Poid said: None of you people grew up in the ghetto, you have no fucking idea what that kind of life is like. I grew up in a town that was at one point the murder capital of the country, had lived there for most of my life; I've been through lots of trying times, and I still don't listen to that garbage. This is why I find it hilarious--from my perspective, White people who never grew up in such circumstances and who listen to rap are complete fakes. This isn't just limited to white people, though, anybody who listens to that shit and who isn't from a similar background is retarded.
Jesus, its too bad you haven't gotten hit by a truck yet.
Do you listen to rap?
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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14176531 - 03/24/11 03:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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How do you know I haven't lived in the ghetto? I like how you just assume that since I'm white I'm some rich college kid who's worst day involves getting turned away from the frat party.
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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14176539 - 03/24/11 03:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Who says rap has to be about the ghetto and all that stuff?
And regardless - its just someone telling a story... should you stop reading a lord of the rings book because you don't know what its like to be a hobbit living in fear of marauding orcs and evil rings and shit?
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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: twighead]
#14176573 - 03/24/11 03:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ima Trooper said: How do you know I haven't lived in the ghetto? I like how you just assume that since I'm white I'm some rich college kid who's worst day involves getting turned away from the frat party.
Oh I can tell. Well, you actually kind of suck at spelling so maybe you are from there. 
But seriously, if you were, you would not be antagonizing me in the least, and you would relate to my perspective. Or at least be somewhat sympathetic...
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twighead said: Who says rap has to be about the ghetto and all that stuff?
Alright, so you're gonna steal another culture's style and pawn it off as your own shit? See, this is why it's fucking ridiculous--there is such a lack in culture that you have to steal it from people whom are less fortunate than you. It's fucking sad.
Or hilarious, whichever way you look at it.
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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14176587 - 03/24/11 03:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Whaa?.. its a genre of music - would it be stealing if a black dude made a symphony? Because it is white man culture?
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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14176589 - 03/24/11 03:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ima Trooper said: How do you know I haven't lived in the ghetto? I like how you just assume that since I'm white I'm some rich college kid who's worst day involves getting turned away from the frat party.
Oh I can tell. Well, you actually kind of suck at spelling so maybe you are from there. 
But seriously, if you were, you would not be antagonizing me in the least, and you would relate to my perspective.
I guess I just can't see things from your perspective, seeing as how I can't get my head that far up my own ass.
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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: twighead]
#14176613 - 03/24/11 03:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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twighead said: Whaa?.. its a genre of music - would it be stealing if a black dude made a symphony?
Rap music started as a way for poor people to express their disdain for their position in life, it's not simply a style of music, it's also a style of poetry. If a black guy became a beatnik, then yes, he would be stealing from another culture.
Using musical instruments is different than spoken poetry--music is just successive tones, while poetry is, for lack of a better, less gh3y phrase, "speaking from the heart"
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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid] 1
#14176623 - 03/24/11 03:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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White people who never grew up in such circumstances and who listen to rap are complete fakes. This isn't just limited to white people, though, anybody who listens to that shit and who isn't from a similar background is retarded.
This is like saying people who grew up at a different time to when they blues or the folk era any other era when there was strife can't listen to that music. Makes no sense. Creative music is good to listen too regardless of subject matter or style, unless of course you don't like the subject matter or style.
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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Ima Trooper]
#14176631 - 03/24/11 03:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ima Trooper said: How do you know I haven't lived in the ghetto? I like how you just assume that since I'm white I'm some rich college kid who's worst day involves getting turned away from the frat party.
Oh I can tell. Well, you actually kind of suck at spelling so maybe you are from there. 
But seriously, if you were, you would not be antagonizing me in the least, and you would relate to my perspective.
I guess I just can't see things from your perspective, seeing as how I can't get my head that far up my own ass.
Wow, my perspective is indicative of me having my head up my ass? I like how you haven't mentioned whether or not you're from the ghetto. You don't seem like a person who is from there at all, I've never met a person from a ghetto who insults people in that manner.
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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Grapefruit]
#14176650 - 03/24/11 03:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i wish I was in my 20s during the 1970s.. no cell phones, no rap, and no bass rattling cars
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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14176652 - 03/24/11 03:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'll have to disagree... Playing a musical instrument is far more emotionally entwining than rapping or poetry for me.
Music is no more just successive tones than a rap is just rhyming words.
Personally I don't give a fuck what race or what background anyone in music comes from that isn't what matters - its the music that matters. It doesn't matter how a genre started, or who started - none of that is a consideration.
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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Grapefruit]
#14176655 - 03/24/11 03:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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White people who never grew up in such circumstances and who listen to rap are complete fakes. This isn't just limited to white people, though, anybody who listens to that shit and who isn't from a similar background is retarded.
This is like saying people who grew up at a different time to when they blues or the folk era any other era when there was strife can't listen to that music. Makes no sense. 
It's nothing like saying that--Blacks obviously experience life much differently in this society than Whites. Sure, much overt racism is mostly gone these days, but it still exists in subtle forms--or at least, it is perceived that way by them (and by me). By being White, you have absolutely no idea what it's like to not be white in a predominantly white society. To try to relate to people whom you obviously have no relation to is silly--it's basically hero-worship, I know you know a lot about that. 
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Grapefruit said: Creative music is good to listen too regardless of subject matter or style, unless of course you don't like the subject matter or style.
I'm more talking about rich Whites who try to live out and/or emulate the "ghetto" lifestyle; I know I implied initially that I think it's hilarious that White people listen to rap, but I wasn't being precise when I said that.
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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14176668 - 03/24/11 03:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ima Trooper said: How do you know I haven't lived in the ghetto? I like how you just assume that since I'm white I'm some rich college kid who's worst day involves getting turned away from the frat party.
Oh I can tell. Well, you actually kind of suck at spelling so maybe you are from there. 
But seriously, if you were, you would not be antagonizing me in the least, and you would relate to my perspective.
I guess I just can't see things from your perspective, seeing as how I can't get my head that far up my own ass.
Wow, my perspective is indicative of me having my head up my ass? I like how you haven't mentioned whether or not you're from the ghetto. You don't seem like a person who is from there at all, I've never met a person from a ghetto who insults people in that manner. 
Yeah I lived in the ghetto in Tucson, AZ. Every night you'd hear gunshots going off in the complex, new pools of blood on the sidewalks every morning. Same place where my car was broken into and the cd player stolen in the middle of the parking lot in broad daylight. I've hung and dealt in some bad areas, places where you don't go if you don't have a piece tucked on you, its just dumb luck I've never had to shoot or be shot.
I don't have shit to prove to a little internet bitch like you.
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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: twighead]
#14176689 - 03/24/11 03:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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twighead said: I'll have to disagree... Playing a musical instrument is far more emotionally entwining than rapping or poetry for me.
I never made any point to the contrary, & I don't see the particular relevance of this statement to what I said--musical tonations elicit different kinds of emotions than the spoken-word, though.
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twighead said: It doesn't matter how a genre started, or who started - none of that is a consideration.
Then I guess you don't fully appreciate it. 
Another reason why it's sad/hilarious; I dunno about you, but I like to understand the art I appreciate as fully as possible. This means studying its history, the people who made it, what it means, etc...
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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Ima Trooper]
#14176708 - 03/24/11 03:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ima Trooper said: Yeah I lived in the ghetto in Tucson, AZ. Every night you'd hear gunshots going off in the complex, new pools of blood on the sidewalks every morning. Same place where my car was broken into and the cd player stolen in the middle of the parking lot in broad daylight. I've hung and dealt in some bad areas, places where you don't go if you don't have a piece tucked on you, its just dumb luck I've never had to shoot or be shot.
I don't have shit to prove to a little internet bitch like you.
This isn't a contest, man, why do you see it as "having to prove something"? Are you just incapable of having a civil discussion? Apparently so...
How long did you live there, 5 years? Less?
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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14176709 - 03/24/11 03:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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twighead said: Whaa?.. its a genre of music - would it be stealing if a black dude made a symphony?
Rap music started as a way for poor people to express their disdain for their position in life, it's not simply a style of music, it's also a style of poetry. If a black guy became a beatnik, then yes, he would be stealing from another culture.
Using musical instruments is different than spoken poetry--music is just successive tones, while poetry is, for lack of a better, less gh3y phrase, "speaking from the heart"
except the fact that beatniks were emulating blacks lol.
You sir, have no idea what your talking about.
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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14176717 - 03/24/11 03:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well I do actually know what you mean. You're talking about those people who don't listen to anything other than ghetto music and aren't from the ghetto and realte to it. Still it doesn't mean a white guy can't enjoy music that comes from that cultural background. It's even plausible that someone could just prefer the music without worshipping that way of life.
Anyway you can't get more middle class than this in rap. Not a big fan but LOL!
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Re: Interesting study I came across about rap music [Re: Poid]
#14176720 - 03/24/11 03:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Fuck any rapper who ain't Kool Keith.
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