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Mushymush420
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6 quarts spawn enough for two monotubs?
#14171667 - 03/23/11 05:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have 2 29 gallon monotubs and only 7 quarts of spawn. I will be using 1 of those quarts for grain to grain transfers; so this leaves me with 6 quarts of spawn. The depth of my substrate will be 4 1/2in.
I was wondering, will 6 quarts be enough? I plan on using 2 bricks of coir, 5 quarts of verm, 2 cups of gypsum to split between the two tubs. How does this sound? Thanks for any input or suggestions real excited about first monotubs.
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Re: 6 quarts spawn enough for two monotubs? [Re: Mushymush420]
#14171681 - 03/23/11 05:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i dont see why not.... any amount of spawn will eventually colonize any amount of substrate, its just a question of how long it will take.
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Re: 6 quarts spawn enough for two monotubs? [Re: Mushymush420]
#14171686 - 03/23/11 05:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sounds good to me.
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Re: 6 quarts spawn enough for two monotubs? [Re: Mushymush420]
#14171723 - 03/23/11 06:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mushymush420 said: I have 2 29 gallon monotubs and only 7 quarts of spawn. I will be using 1 of those quarts for grain to grain transfers; so this leaves me with 6 quarts of spawn. The depth of my substrate will be 4 1/2in.
I was wondering, will 6 quarts be enough? I plan on using 2 bricks of coir, 5 quarts of verm, 2 cups of gypsum to split between the two tubs. How does this sound? Thanks for any input or suggestions real excited about first monotubs.
That is roughly 21 quarts of bulk substrate to 6 quarts of spawn.. That is a 3.5:1 ratio so it aint so bad.. It is doable..
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Re: 6 quarts spawn enough for two monotubs? [Re: Buckeye Oysters]
#14171729 - 03/23/11 06:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Wow, thats more than enough, 3 quarts sounds like a safe number, don't want to throw all your eggs in the same basket in case you get contams...ya know!!!! I mean when you split them up approx. 3.5 each or whatever you plan on doing...
Edited by ChaostoOrder (03/23/11 06:08 PM)
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Re: 6 quarts spawn enough for two monotubs? [Re: ChaostoOrder]
#14171759 - 03/23/11 06:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Most folks use 5-6 jars per brick of coir, so this is half of that or less. Should still work, but expect slower colonization, and reduced yields due to resource limitations.
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Re: 6 quarts spawn enough for two monotubs? [Re: Doc_T]
#14181123 - 03/25/11 09:42 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: Most folks use 5-6 jars per brick of coir, so this is half of that or less. Should still work, but expect slower colonization, and reduced yields due to resource limitations.
What do you mean resource limitation?
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Re: 6 quarts spawn enough for two monotubs? [Re: Mushymush420]
#14181136 - 03/25/11 09:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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yeah isnt spawning suppose to give the myc more food ?
or all the energy comes from the wbs? (or any kind of grain )
ive seen it work with 4 in a tub so i think your ok
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Edited by heeroyuy00 (03/25/11 09:47 AM)
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Re: 6 quarts spawn enough for two monotubs? [Re: Mushymush420]
#14181359 - 03/25/11 10:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mushymush420 said: What do you mean resource limitation?
Grain is more nutritious than coir. Having the additional nutrients from a higher grain:coir ratio usually results in better yield.
Supplementing the coir with something more nutritious, such as manure, can help regain back some yield (but the risk of contamination increases.)
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Re: 6 quarts spawn enough for two monotubs? [Re: Sillicybin]
#14182004 - 03/25/11 12:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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^^^ that.
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Re: 6 quarts spawn enough for two monotubs? [Re: Doc_T]
#14182297 - 03/25/11 01:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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You have enough spawn for either 2 smaller tubs 18 gallons or 1 30-36 gallon tub.
6 quarts is good for 2 18 gallon monotubs. If you're doing anything larger you'll need more spawn.
Here a break down...
3 quarts per 18 gal monotub and 1 brick of coco-coir is a great ratio to work with.
You can add more spawn and it will speed up colonization a bit, but in reality you're only shedding off days. So I just stick with the 3 quarts.
In any case you should yield around 12-18 oz of dried fruit with what you got.
My philosophy is keep it simple keep it stupid. I just use grains and straight coco-coir (no additives) and have had great results every time. Any time I've used additives I've either had a contamination or the yield was no better then normal coco-coir. Someone around here has been spreading rumors coco-coir isn't nutritious enough for a quality mushroom grow. This is totally far from the truth. I use wax paper as my "casing" changing it every two days. I've been doing this for 2yrs or so with great results every time. There's no need to overly complicate your grows if you don't have to. I think its more about forum members trying to out nerd each other rather then keeping costs down and making things simple for themselves.
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Edited by ronjohn7779 (03/25/11 02:03 PM)
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Mushymush420
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Re: 6 quarts spawn enough for two monotubs? [Re: ronjohn7779]
#14187472 - 03/26/11 03:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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ronjohn7779 said: You have enough spawn for either 2 smaller tubs 18 gallons or 1 30-36 gallon tub.
6 quarts is good for 2 18 gallon monotubs. If you're doing anything larger you'll need more spawn.
Here a break down...
3 quarts per 18 gal monotub and 1 brick of coco-coir is a great ratio to work with.
You can add more spawn and it will speed up colonization a bit, but in reality you're only shedding off days. So I just stick with the 3 quarts.
In any case you should yield around 12-18 oz of dried fruit with what you got.
My philosophy is keep it simple keep it stupid. I just use grains and straight coco-coir (no additives) and have had great results every time. Any time I've used additives I've either had a contamination or the yield was no better then normal coco-coir. Someone around here has been spreading rumors coco-coir isn't nutritious enough for a quality mushroom grow. This is totally far from the truth. I use wax paper as my "casing" changing it every two days. I've been doing this for 2yrs or so with great results every time. There's no need to overly complicate your grows if you don't have to. I think its more about forum members trying to out nerd each other rather then keeping costs down and making things simple for themselves.
Thanks a lot everything has been helpful. I was planning on not using a casing at all because i have seen that people mostly see the same results from both. I would assume you disagree since you use the wax paper. Do you think a casing would be helpful? Anyone else have an opinion on that?
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Re: 6 quarts spawn enough for two monotubs? [Re: Mushymush420]
#14187512 - 03/26/11 03:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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My philosophy is keep it simple keep it stupid. I just use grains and straight coco-coir (no additives) and have had great results every time. Any time I've used additives I've either had a contamination or the yield was no better then normal coco-coir. Someone around here has been spreading rumors coco-coir isn't nutritious enough for a quality mushroom grow. This is totally far from the truth. I use wax paper as my "casing" changing it every two days. I've been doing this for 2yrs or so with great results every time. There's no need to overly complicate your grows if you don't have to. I think its more about forum members trying to out nerd each other rather then keeping costs down and making things simple for themselves.
This is exactly what i do fuck yeah
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Re: 6 quarts spawn enough for two monotubs? [Re: Bom_Tombadil]
#14187569 - 03/26/11 04:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Also here's a great excel based calculator which helps with some simple math, if it's not your forte. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7806589#7806589
Just plug in the dimensions of the substrate you want and it will tell you how much spawn and bulk sub to use whether using a 4:1 or 10:1 bulk to spawn ratio. Not perfect, but it works well to get a good idea of what you're dealing with.
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Re: 6 quarts spawn enough for two monotubs? [Re: Doc_T]
#14187718 - 03/26/11 04:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: ^^^ that.
Ok so i have decided to use two jars for grain to grain transfers and use 4 on one tub. What would be a good recipe for 1 29 gallon....I am thinking 1 1/2 bricks of coir 3 quarts of verm 2 cups of gypsum and the 4 quarts of spawn. Does this sound good for a 4 1/2 inch depth? Thanks again for the help i am horrible at math.
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Re: 6 quarts spawn enough for two monotubs? [Re: Mushymush420]
#14193108 - 03/27/11 04:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Anyone think that this will be ok?
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Re: 6 quarts spawn enough for two monotubs? [Re: Mushymush420]
#14193487 - 03/27/11 05:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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unless u have access to hpoo, i dont see y theres anything wrong with this.
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Re: 6 quarts spawn enough for two monotubs? [Re: stranger_danger]
#14193514 - 03/27/11 05:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I thought most people used a 1:4 ratio of spawn to substrate. I have ever heard of people using a 1:10 even though it takes much longer.
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Re: 6 quarts spawn enough for two monotubs? [Re: M11]
#14193685 - 03/27/11 06:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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M11 said: I thought most people used a 1:4 ratio of spawn to substrate. I have ever heard of people using a 1:10 even though it takes much longer.
I've always used 3 quarts of rye berry spawn to 1 brick or coco-coir. The results have always been perfect. My tub colonizes in 10-14 days every time. I've used 4 quarts before but it only sheds off maybe a day or so from the whole process.
In any case, rye berry's are really tiny grains (thats what I always use). As such they proved a huge amount of total surface area for MYC to grow on. It's pretty potent stuff.
I should note for whatever reasons, any times I've spawned with brf cakes, the results have been lack luster if you don't use a bit more then 3 quarts. So in this case, I'd recommend the 4-5 quarts per brick of coco-coir. I forgot to mention this factoid.
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Re: 6 quarts spawn enough for two monotubs? [Re: ronjohn7779]
#14193737 - 03/27/11 06:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well, that is good to hear. Nice info.
I am planning on using 14 quarts of PE colonized rye grain for 3 bricks of coir. Each brick with the 2 quarts verm and 1 quart gypsum should equate to about 12-13 quarts per substrate "batch." So I am looking at a spawn : sub ratio of about 1 : 2.8. Hopefully that will work.
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